NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #5

by **Rich and Corporations** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:20 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:An MH-6 has a "useful load" of less than 700kg. Its two pilots plus a large quad and trailer will preclude any fuel weight.

extensive use of aluminum will reduce the weight of a quad bike

by **The Corparation** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:20 pm

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Have you just accidentally made me buy an MA9A2 (SPGM) with a 30mm autocannon?

(remember to choose IFV)

I was too lazy to do it for all variants, but it is doable. You need the storefront, if you have that already figured out, this is more or less a piece of cake. And yes it can be done so that it both looks good and is functional showing all sales clearly with well organized details.

E: Give it a try, I'm sure you'll figure it out in no time, if you're interested that is..

But really, GDocs is groundbreaking. Before this to be able to do the same thing you'd rip your hair out trying to get Access to work like you wanted it to ( for me at least ), and that's not even going into the "cloud" bit.

E2: Unless I completely missed an online (and free) service capable of doing that.

If I ever get around to redoing/updating my storefront I'm totally using this.

by **Primordial Luxa** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:29 pm

Questers wrote:
Primordial Luxa wrote:Do any of you have suggestions for organizing these unassigned unit?
How many should I have, what type?
They are organised into hundreds of independent companies or battalions or else assigned to bases, detachments, or are on loan from a pool. You don't organise them. You're doing it wrong, basically.

Ok then. Any tips for choosing which ones to make?

by **Questers** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:33 pm

Primordial Luxa wrote:
Questers wrote: They are organised into hundreds of independent companies or battalions or else assigned to bases, detachments, or are on loan from a pool. You don't organise them. You're doing it wrong, basically.

Ok then. Any tips for choosing which ones to make?

Er you want to organise your whole military? Are you sure...

this is as close as you will get to a full military order of battle. Slovakia has 16 000 active personnel so with an Army of 1.5 million I hope you are prepared to make document 93* larger than that.

by **Primordial Luxa** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:36 pm

Questers wrote:
Primordial Luxa wrote:
Ok then. Any tips for choosing which ones to make?
Er you want to organise your whole military? Are you sure...

Well...yeah. Im trying to break into more realistic RPing groups so I feel obliged to.
Why?

by **Questers** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:40 pm

Primordial Luxa wrote:
Questers wrote: Er you want to organise your whole military? Are you sure...

Well...yeah. Im trying to break into more realistic RPing groups so I feel obliged to.
Why?

Because nobody has ever done that. It is too complex and specific. No realistic RP group will ask you to provide that information. The realism players just want to know what % of your army is assigned to field formations. In your existing case it is 100% which is totally unrealistic.

by **Primordial Luxa** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:44 pm

Questers wrote:
Primordial Luxa wrote:
Well...yeah. Im trying to break into more realistic RPing groups so I feel obliged to.
Why?
Because nobody has ever done that. It is too complex and specific. No realistic RP group will ask you to provide that information. The realism players just want to know what % of your army is assigned to field formations. In your existing case it is 100% which is totally unrealistic.

How would you recommend that I figure out what a better number would be?
Is their some criteria that I should be looking at?

by **Krazakistan** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:57 pm

So I've already gone over the TO/E of a SAM Regiment in FM 100-2-3 and it's not quite what I'm looking for. Does anyone have a more detailed version of a SAM Regiment TO/E presented in this style? Preferably for the Buk-M2 or M3?

If you guys can't find anything then that's fine, and if that is the case then I'll just create my own and post it here for review.

by **Questers** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:04 pm

Krazakistan wrote:So I've already gone over the TO/E of a SAM Regiment in FM 100-2-3 and it's not quite what I'm looking for. Does anyone have a more detailed version of a SAM Regiment TO/E presented in this style? Preferably for the Buk-M2 or M3?

If you guys can't find anything then that's fine, and if that is the case then I'll just create my own and post it here for review.

Yes but without personnel.

by **Questers** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:05 pm

Primordial Luxa wrote:
Questers wrote: Because nobody has ever done that. It is too complex and specific. No realistic RP group will ask you to provide that information. The realism players just want to know what % of your army is assigned to field formations. In your existing case it is 100% which is totally unrealistic.

How would you recommend that I figure out what a better number would be?
Is their some criteria that I should be looking at?

This is how it SHOULD be done.

Work out what your Army needs to do and where you need to station combat power. Delineate your area commands and divisions. Do NOT work up or down in staged multiples, it does not work like that. When you have your total field forces including separate brigades, figure out approximately how much manpower it would be (because you must include corps and army personnel) then double the number.

by **Krazakistan** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:07 pm

Questers wrote:
Krazakistan wrote:So I've already gone over the TO/E of a SAM Regiment in FM 100-2-3 and it's not quite what I'm looking for. Does anyone have a more detailed version of a SAM Regiment TO/E presented in this style? Preferably for the Buk-M2 or M3?

If you guys can't find anything then that's fine, and if that is the case then I'll just create my own and post it here for review.
Yes but without personnel.

That's fine, I'm sure I can figure out appropriate numbers.

by **Primordial Luxa** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:12 pm

Questers wrote:
Primordial Luxa wrote:
How would you recommend that I figure out what a better number would be?
Is their some criteria that I should be looking at?
This is how it SHOULD be done.

Work out what your Army needs to do and where you need to station combat power. Delineate your area commands and divisions. Do NOT work up or down in staged multiples, it does not work like that. When you have your total field forces including separate brigades, figure out approximately how much manpower it would be (because you must include corps and army personnel) then double the number.

Ok ill get on that. Thanks a ton.

by **Questers** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:12 pm

Krazakistan wrote:
Questers wrote: Yes but without personnel.

That's fine, I'm sure I can figure out appropriate numbers.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/870 ... 201989.pdf

by **Krazakistan** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:27 pm

Questers wrote:
Krazakistan wrote:
That's fine, I'm sure I can figure out appropriate numbers.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/870 ... 201989.pdf

Thanks!

by **Dragomere** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:30 pm

Recently updated Military!!!

by **Questers** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:50 pm

It is still shit, delete it all and go back to runescape.

by **Dragomere** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:51 pm

Questers wrote:It is still shit, delete it all and go back to runescape.

What is shit? I have it modeled after the US military, so you are basically calling the US military shit.

by **The Republic of Lanos** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:59 pm

Dragomere wrote:
Questers wrote:It is still shit, delete it all and go back to runescape.

What is shit? I have it modeled after the US military, so you are basically calling the US military shit.

I think he's saying you're not doing it right.

by **United States of PA** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:01 pm

Ssooooooooo...... Your fleet carrier is essentially a modern Escort Carrier (No offense to invincible) and your escort carrier is well..... 1940s vintage? (Cant tell if Midway or Essex from a glance. If midway than you are using a Fleet Carrier in the "escort role")

by **Dragomere** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:07 pm

United States of PA wrote:Ssooooooooo...... Your fleet carrier is essentially a modern Escort Carrier (No offense to invincible) and your escort carrier is well..... 1940s vintage? (Cant tell if Midway or Essex from a glance. If midway than you are using a Fleet Carrier in the "escort role")

Just imagine a modern version of the ships in the picture, as the designs are similar, but the weapons are more advanced.

by **United States of PA** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:18 pm

Doesnt change the fact that you are using a pair of ships pretty well out of role. Invincible never was and never will be a fleet carrier. Midway (Again if that is it) is rather large to be a escort carrier, especially in its last iterations.

by **Registug** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:38 pm

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Quadbikes can be hefty. Under UK road law, a "light" quad bike is "up to" 350kg unladen.
Heavier examples can be "up to" 400kg unladen, or 550kg if "designed for carrying goods" (which may or may not include its trailer).

A half ton is a lot of cargo capacity, and I don't think you'd be getting away with much less than a Huey. An MH-6 could lift that, but at the expense of its pilots or fuel.
Soviet mechanised formations featured GMG and ATGM platoons at that level.

Do not underestimate MH-6s. The nasty fuckers WILL get you, either by a 6-man lodrag squads or this

EDIT: I think I got the perfect air assault platoon figured out :lol:

3x MH-6 , each w/ 6 man dismount squad
1x AH-6 , w/ platoon commander & 2ic as pilot and copilot, for command and fire support

y/y

3 MH-6s supported by a pair of AH-6s are the best air assault raid formation.

Don't put the commander in the fucking helo though. How's he supposed to command and fly CAS at the same time? If you want an airborne ckmmand, put them in a blackhawk orbiting at really high altitude.

by **Yes Im Biop** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:39 pm

Dragomere wrote:
Questers wrote:It is still shit, delete it all and go back to runescape.

What is shit? I have it modeled after the US military, so you are basically calling the US military shit.

On NS? Yeah the us Army would be decimated before they could get one battalion on the ground.

by **The Akasha Colony** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:39 pm

Dragomere wrote:
Questers wrote:It is still shit, delete it all and go back to runescape.

What is shit? I have it modeled after the US military, so you are basically calling the US military shit.

It seems to be "based on" the US military only insofar as it seems to be written in English. It is lacking in all of the things that make the US military a functional military force.

by **Yes Im Biop** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:41 pm

The Akasha Colony wrote:
Dragomere wrote:What is shit? I have it modeled after the US military, so you are basically calling the US military shit.

It seems to be "based on" the US military only insofar as it seems to be written in English. It is lacking in all of the things that make the US military a functional military force.

An overwhelming amount of marines?

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