NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #5

[Kampala-]

it worked for the red ball itll work for me

where are the light bars?

traffic directors on red ball were men wearing red jackets and stuff who used hand signals.

[Kouralia]

Kouralian traffic directors... I dunno, I guess they use the glowy stick things and typically wear full combat uniform when on duty.

[Immoren]

kampalan traffic directors are superiorly visible:

(Image)

his skill at directing afvs and convoys is matched only by his high visibility jacket and headband. his training and natural ability for directing wafvs far exceeds that of his northern cousin: the Gallan traffic director, but the latter has a much more disciplined outlook and doesn't quite flinch so much when bullets whiz by.

what sort of equipment do other army traffic directors use? o:

[Kampala-]

kampalan traffic directors are superiorly visible:

(Image)

his skill at directing afvs and convoys is matched only by his high visibility jacket and headband. his training and natural ability for directing wafvs far exceeds that of his northern cousin: the Gallan traffic director, but the latter has a much more disciplined outlook and doesn't quite flinch so much when bullets whiz by.

what sort of equipment do other army traffic directors use? o:

yeah word dawg

i mean it's not orange but whatever eurobros just being weird i guess and using yellow

and shovels

[Deutsche Demokratischer Volksstaat]

This discussion is reminding me of the WW2 incidents in which German special units disguised as Allied MPs or something deliberately mis-directed convoys.

Could such a thing be pulled off in the modern day?

[The Akasha Colony]

you didn't really need to count how many nominations people got, did you? :V

you do for relevance of who to put on the list?

if there's eleven people how do you know who to not pick?

Those with the most nominations get priority. After that, the tiebreaker is whoever was nominated first between the remaining contenders.

[Immoren]

(Image)

yeah word dawg

i mean it's not orange but whatever eurobros just being weird i guess and using yellow

and shovels

not shovel you silly. it's lollipop with this on the side that's not visible in the pic.

[Kampala-]

you do for relevance of who to put on the list?

if there's eleven people how do you know who to not pick?

Those with the most nominations get priority. After that, the tiebreaker is whoever was nominated first between the remaining contenders.

exactly

[Kouralia]

This discussion is reminding me of the WW2 incidents in which German special units disguised as Allied MPs or something deliberately mis-directed convoys.

Could such a thing be pulled off in the modern day?

Yes. But I imagine less so due to the proliferation of radios making it easier for commanders to keep track of where soldiers should be, and where they shouldn't be - so the sudden appearance of a troop of MPs might raise a few more eyebrows.

I imagine that it could also be easier to work out whether or not the Faux!MPs are directing you the wrong way, whether vehicles have some kind of cheapo GPS, or maps being used and other things.

[The Kievan People]

This discussion is reminding me of the WW2 incidents in which German special units disguised as Allied MPs or something deliberately mis-directed convoys.

Could such a thing be pulled off in the modern day?

It is a waste of valuable personnel TBH.

Misdirecting convoys for a few hours is not going to meaningfully disrupt the flow of supplies to the front. Units tend to carry at least a days worth of supplies with them (or more), so even a massive short-term disruption will not necessarily reduce their combat power at all. And on the flip side personnel who can blend in comfortably with enemy soldiers are a huge asset, there are much better uses for them then giving bad directions.

[Immoren]

I tried to search for it, but I couldn't seem to find.
But how long do fighter pilot training take in other countries usually?

[Velkanika]

This discussion is reminding me of the WW2 incidents in which German special units disguised as Allied MPs or something deliberately mis-directed convoys.

Could such a thing be pulled off in the modern day?

It is a waste of valuable personnel TBH.

Misdirecting convoys for a few hours is not going to meaningfully disrupt the flow of supplies to the front. Units tend to carry at least a days worth of supplies with them (or more), so even a massive short-term disruption will not necessarily reduce their combat power at all. And on the flip side personnel who can blend in comfortably with enemy soldiers are a huge asset, there are much better uses for them then giving bad directions.

The other big thing is that if a soldier participates in combat while wearing an enemy uniform they are committing a war crime and are likely to be executed if captured. This is a very risky operation for the people who understand the enemy well enough to execute this mission, who coincidentially would also be well suited as intelligence analysts interpreting SIGINT.

[Kampala-]

War crimes don't exist on NS stop bringing them up.

[Oaledonia]

So as of right now Oaledonia has 5 battleships under it's command in PMT. Of those, 3 are similar to the Design A-150 class, and two were created as bigger BBGs. Should I modify these other three in a similar manor two the BBG-21 or scrap them? Money isn't the issue, and I'm leaning towards a ship which can support an amphibious landing.

[Kampala-]

For that you want to scrap the battleships completely and totally and replace them with San Antonios or something.

[Alduinium]

Seeing as to how my current navy is practically nonexistent, how should I deal with a US based navy?

[Velkanika]

War crimes don't exist on NS stop bringing them up.

Do you hear that hissing sound? I think it's the sound of your argument venting.

International Criminal Court
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Quelesh

Description: The Assembled Nations of the World,

APPALLED that sapient beings are still subjected to genocide, war crimes and other atrocities;

VEXED that there now exists no international justice system by which to try the perpetrators of these heinous crimes should their home nations refuse to do so;

DEFINING, for the purpose of this resolution:

A. "Genocide" as any act intended to destroy, in whole or in part, any group of sapient beings on the basis of a shared ancestry, nationality, ethnicity, religion, race, culture, sex, gender, sexual orientation, age or age range or any other identifiable real or perceived characteristic

B. "War crimes" as any of the following committed as part of armed conflict:
1. Military actions that intentionally target civilians, resulting in civilian casualties
2. Murder, torture or other cruel or degrading treatment of prisoners of war or surrendered enemies
3. Mass internment or use for slave labor of civilians
4. Excessive destruction of occupied areas or natural resources
5. The use of nuclear, chemical, biological or radiological weapons against a civilian population with foreknowledge of likely civilian casualties

C. "Crimes against humanity" as any of the following committed as part of a systematic attack on a population of sapient beings:
1. Murder
2. Torture or other cruel, degrading or inhumane treatment
3. Forced sterilization or acts of sexual violence
4. Forced population transfer;

hereby ESTABLISH the International Criminal Court (ICC) for the purpose of bringing to justice those responsible for the above crimes;

AUTHORIZE the ICC to issue arrest warrants for any person ("wanted person") suspected of these crimes if their home jurisdiction refuses to bring them to justice, unless an extant WA resolution requires they be tried elsewhere;

INSIST that no warrant be issued by the ICC without probable cause;

REQUIRE member states to arrest wanted persons within their jurisdictions and extradite them to the ICC;

STRONGLY URGE member states to pursue the extradition of wanted persons not under their jurisdictions by all legal and peaceful means;

TASK the ICC with trying those accused and sentencing those convicted, subject to the following:

A. The ICC shall contract with a member state to hold pre-trial detainees ("defendants") and to house, for the duration of their sentences, those convicted by the ICC ("convicts") and sentenced to incarceration

B. Defendants have the following rights: a reasonably speedy trial, competent legal representation, to call witnesses on their behalf and examine witnesses against them, to refuse to incriminate themselves and to fully understand and participate in the proceedings

C. The ICC shall not convict a defendant without proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt

D. An acquitted defendant shall be immediately and unconditionally released to their nation of origin or, if that nation will not accept them, another consenting nation

E. Once acquitted by the ICC, no person shall be retried by the ICC for the same offense

F. The ICC shall never impose the death penalty

G. Convicts shall have the right to present to the ICC exculpatory evidence that was not available at trial; the ICC may reverse a conviction at any time

H. The ICC shall establish such rules and regulations, not conflicting with this resolution, concerning its operations as it sees fit, consistent with the principles of fairness and justice.

Votes For: 3,679
Votes Against: 2,050

Implemented Sun Jun 27 2010

[WAR102 on NS] [WAR102 on NSwiki] [Official Debate Topic]

[Oaledonia]

For that you want to scrap the battleships completely and totally and replace them with San Antonios or something.

But.... Legacy systems <:C

[San-Silvacian]

I tried to search for it, but I couldn't seem to find.
But how long do fighter pilot training take in other countries usually?

52 weeks in the USAF.

However once you get to your unit, you will then have to train on your aircraft.

[Deutsche Demokratischer Volksstaat]

In high intensity warfare war crimes are probably either:

a) overlooked.

b) prosecuted by the victor upon the loser.

[Questers]

It's ok for Kampala. But when you have to direct entire tank regiments, you need something a bit beefier.

Questarian traffic control comes under Security Corps (i.e MPs, rear line security.) They use the XA 180.

[Zeinbrad]

Tried to make the Charon unit ORBAT/ Organization.

I did not know what that I was doing. :/

[Vedria]

Would the use of a sidearm for a regular infantry man still be effective, given the current nature of assault weapons? In my opinion, you could replace the side arm and its ammo for more ammunition for the primary weapon, giving it more endurance in combat.

If the above statement's answer is that sidearms are still effective, would it better to use a small machine pistol in exchange of a semi-automatic pistol?

[Velkanika]

Tried to make the Charon unit ORBAT/ Organization.

I did not know what that I was doing. :/

It has taken me three years to get to where I am now on my ToEs. Military organization is exceedingly complex, so don't feel too bad about how little you know. Wikipedia has some phenomenal articles on the US Brigade Combat Teams, so that's a good starting place if you want to read an in-depth explanation of why the US Army looks like it does. Coincidentally, I'm using the BCTs as the starting place for my military due to needing my maneuver elements to be Regiments instead of Divisions.

[Questers]

Would the use of a sidearm for a regular infantry man still be effective, given the current nature of assault weapons? In my opinion, you could replace the side arm and its ammo for more ammunition for the primary weapon, giving it more endurance in combat.

If the above statement's answer is that sidearms are still effective, would it better to use a small machine pistol in exchange of a semi-automatic pistol?

"regular infantry men" (whatever that means) are not issued with sidearms.