NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #5

[Velkanika]

Think it would be rather hard. The shield would have to be sturdy enough to protect the second missile from the exhaust of the first one, which would probably dig into available space. Secondly ejecting the shield would be problematic, requiring either one of the missiles launch with it, and then discard it or the launcher removing it at some point.

For the FT Ship, missiles use Hydrazine Monpropellant. Glancing at Wikipedia, exhausts from the reaction in a hydrazine thruster reaches 800 degrees C. Would that be doable? Since the ship is in free-fall, the missile wouldn't need to blast for more than a fraction of a second to eject from the tube. As For ejecting the shield I was thinking some sort of Compressed gas charge. As the heat shield would be air tight to prevent exhaust gases from affecting the lower missiles, having some sort of latch disengage coupled with a discharge of gas should be able to fling it clear.

Of course this is an alternate to my other plan which involved merely fitting the missiles onto a rack and ejecting the whole rack. Hesitant to do this due to the requirement of launching a whole tube of missiles at once.

I personally would load them one missile per tube for FT, seeing as the missiles have to be pretty big in order to have the delta-v to do their thing. I'd also cold launch them prior to main engine start with a very small burst of inert gas (nitrogen, helium) to give them a few meters per second of separation velocity. You don't want them to go flying out at high speed due to Newton's Third transferring that energy to the launching space craft and the possibility of engine exhaust damaging other systems in a hot launch. I wouldn't even have a micro burst of monopropellant to cold launch due to how hot the stuff is.

[Kampala-]

This is my Nomination. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nominee: Gallia-

[The Corparation]

For the FT Ship, missiles use Hydrazine Monpropellant. Glancing at Wikipedia, exhausts from the reaction in a hydrazine thruster reaches 800 degrees C. Would that be doable? Since the ship is in free-fall, the missile wouldn't need to blast for more than a fraction of a second to eject from the tube. As For ejecting the shield I was thinking some sort of Compressed gas charge. As the heat shield would be air tight to prevent exhaust gases from affecting the lower missiles, having some sort of latch disengage coupled with a discharge of gas should be able to fling it clear.

Of course this is an alternate to my other plan which involved merely fitting the missiles onto a rack and ejecting the whole rack. Hesitant to do this due to the requirement of launching a whole tube of missiles at once.

I personally would load them one missile per tube for FT, seeing as the missiles have to be pretty big in order to have the delta-v to do their thing. I'd also cold launch them prior to main engine start with a very small burst of inert gas (nitrogen, helium) to give them a few meters per second of separation velocity. You don't want them to go flying out at high speed due to Newton's Third transferring that energy to the launching space craft and the possibility of engine exhaust damaging other systems in a hot launch. I wouldn't even have a micro burst of monopropellant to cold launch due to how hot the stuff is.

The AShM are big, but some of the point defense missiles are much much smaller which is why I want to multipack. I have Larger point defense Missiles (Excaliber Style Bomb pumped lasesr ftw), but I want the ability to carry smaller cheaper ones so I don't have to waste the big ones.

Now that you mention it cold launch does seem like a better option. I'm currently thinking I'll have canisters that will go in the normal VLS Tube. The canister will each have a few launch tubes for the point defense missiles. Canisters will be stacked one on top of another and at the bottom of the stack will be the gas generator for the cold launch system. Gas is piped through the canisters until it reaches the one on top. When empty the entire top canister is jettisoned using the same gas system.

[Velkanika]

I personally would load them one missile per tube for FT, seeing as the missiles have to be pretty big in order to have the delta-v to do their thing. I'd also cold launch them prior to main engine start with a very small burst of inert gas (nitrogen, helium) to give them a few meters per second of separation velocity. You don't want them to go flying out at high speed due to Newton's Third transferring that energy to the launching space craft and the possibility of engine exhaust damaging other systems in a hot launch. I wouldn't even have a micro burst of monopropellant to cold launch due to how hot the stuff is.

The AShM are big, but some of the point defense missiles are much much smaller which is why I want to multipack. I have Larger point defense Missiles (Excaliber Style Bomb pumped lasesr ftw), but I want the ability to carry smaller cheaper ones so I don't have to waste the big ones.

Now that you mention it cold launch does seem like a better option. I'm currently thinking I'll have canisters that will go in the normal VLS Tube. The canister will each have a few launch tubes for the point defense missiles. Canisters will be stacked one on top of another and at the bottom of the stack will be the gas generator for the cold launch system. Gas is piped through the canisters until it reaches the one on top. When empty the entire top canister is jettisoned using the same gas system.

That's a lot of extra weight that doesn't do anything useful. I say make more cells rather than stack them, as you'll get a more efficient use of space.

Also, the interceptors are all going to have to be massive in order to have the delta-v to catch a presumably maneuvering inbound missile. If this is FT, chances are the missiles will be guided by some kind of AI capable of making evasive maneuvers to evade interception.

[Kampala-]

The best space ASM would be a rock.

[Registug]

Weaponised asteroids. That is all.

[Deutsche Demokratischer Volksstaat]

This is my Nomination. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nominee: Lamoni

[The Corparation]

So do you think I should scrap the use of the smaller Interceptors and just go all Excelsior for intercepting inbound missiles?

Also I wouldn't think the interceptors would need excessive amount of Delta-V to catch the inbound missile. They just have to get in the way, which takes substantially less Delta-V. The inbound missile can also only maneuver so much without ending up missing the ship completely, which would further reduces the amount needed.

The best space ASM would be a rock.

Rocks are for surface bombardment. Casabas 4 Life.

[Velkanika]

So do you think I should scrap the use of the smaller Interceptors and just go all Excelsior for intercepting inbound missiles?

Also I wouldn't think the interceptors would need excessive amount of Delta-V to catch the inbound missile. They just have to get in the way, which takes substantially less Delta-V. The inbound missile can also only maneuver so much without ending up missing the ship completely, which would further reduces the amount needed.

The best space ASM would be a rock.

Rocks are for surface bombardment. Casabas 4 Life.

Lasers work wonderfully in space mostly empty of ambient molecules to disperse the beam. This is also FT, so the sky is no longer the limit. The intergalactic void is.

On further thought, you need three times the acceleration of the target and enough delta-v to make a bunch of high-g course corrections with no help from aerodynamics. Remember that you have to fly lead pursuit over ridiculous amounts of empty space, which means that when the target makes a course correction you often will have to make a bigger one. You need to have faster reaction time and acceleration in your missile to catch a target as it goes evasive, which means that you need either lower mass or better engines.

I guess you could pack in a few smaller missiles in one larger tube, but don't eject the internal dividers. Make them long and thin with RCS everywhere so they can make rapid lateral translations and retain the fuel capacity to get on target. I also recommend making them multi-stage with highly vectorable engine bells.

And you want everything but the lasers to have a guidance package, forget rockets entirely. Use high-velocity atmospheric entry vehicles to deliver munitions through an atmosphere.

[Anemos Major]

This is my Nomination. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nominee: Questers

[Registug]

I'll pester samoz on skype tonight to put the poll up.

[Kampala-]

So far:

Questers: 6
Gallia-: 4
Velk: 3
Kyiv: 1
Akasha: 1
Lamoni: 1
Lyras 1
Lubyak: 1

[Registug]

Those are nominations, not votes.

[Questers]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1451851681 reposting.

in the works is air superiority, which, if present, is degraded by the strength (quantity and quality) of opposing air defence.

[Deutsche Demokratischer Volksstaat]

OMG nobody nominated Anemos.
Somebody do it. I can't, I already used my nomination up.

[Kampala-]

Those are nominations, not votes.

yes, what's your point? you can only have like 10 options on a poll

[Registug]

Those are nominations, not votes.

yes, what's your point? you can only have like 10 options on a poll

you didn't really need to count how many nominations people got, did you? :V

[Kampala-]

yes, what's your point? you can only have like 10 options on a poll

you didn't really need to count how many nominations people got, did you? :V

you do for relevance of who to put on the list?

if there's eleven people how do you know who to not pick?

[Registug]

you didn't really need to count how many nominations people got, did you? :V

you do for relevance of who to put on the list?

if there's eleven people how do you know who to not pick?

What I was trying to say is pointing out that mat got 6 noms, you got 4 and velk got 3 was pointless. w/e though

[Kampala-]

you do for relevance of who to put on the list?

if there's eleven people how do you know who to not pick?

What I was trying to say is pointing out that mat got 6 noms, you got 4 and velk got 3 was pointless. w/e though

how so? that's just saying that if youre going to put someone on there, it should be between kat and mat and no one else b/c all the other nominees are just inferior

[Questers]

Stop doing stuff that might make the thread get locked again please.

[Kampala-]

kampalan traffic directors are superiorly visible:



his skill at directing afvs and convoys is matched only by his high visibility jacket and headband. his training and natural ability for directing wafvs far exceeds that of his northern cousin: the Gallan traffic director, but the latter has a much more disciplined outlook and doesn't quite flinch so much when bullets whiz by.

what sort of equipment do other army traffic directors use? o:

[Registug]

Big signs that say "TAKE THIS EXIT" and these things:

[Kampala-]

Big signs that say "TAKE THIS EXIT" and these things:

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wow emcon

have fun literally building a light strip right for the enemy to follow to your supply depots

[Registug]

it worked for the red ball itll work for me


the truth is i am hopelessly uninformed