NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #5

[Questers]

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What?

http://iiwiki.com/wiki/SA-21

[The Nuclear Fist]

What?

http://iiwiki.com/wiki/SA-21

Ah. Neat.

[The Akasha Colony]

Nobody even knows how exactly DU is used in tank armor...

Seems a simple enough concept to guess at.
A high-density material placed deep within the armour to bolster the protection of that arc.

I mean, even could it be more complex than that?

There are a number of ways. Such as the actual implementation of this layer. I believe Wikipedia says it's woven into a wire mesh blanket in a stainless steel shell. IIRC, armor basics implies at least some types are held in tension by graphite as part of a BDD system. There's a lot of stuff circulating on it at somewhat variable levels of veracity.

Also, is Electric Reactive Armor better than Explosive? Since I'm transitioning to the PMT era and have the tech to build it, I was considering fitting all tanks with the former by default and then having the latter applied in the field like I described.

Electric armor has never been field tested or deployed, so we have no information on its field performance. However, relative to increasingly complex explosive armors being developed, I would suspect that it is not nearly as capable, especially against KEPs.

[Imperializt Russia]

Seems a simple enough concept to guess at.
A high-density material placed deep within the armour to bolster the protection of that arc.

I mean, even could it be more complex than that?

There are a number of ways. Such as the actual implementation of this layer. I believe Wikipedia says it's woven into a wire mesh blanket in a stainless steel shell. IIRC, armor basics implies at least some types are held in tension by graphite as part of a BDD system. There's a lot of stuff circulating on it at somewhat variable levels of veracity.

Unless the wiki is based on statements intentionally vague, that doesn't sound to what could be considered a "uranium strike plate".

[New Tsavon]

Random question. Pretending for a moment that you don't know what I was IRL. What would you think I was?

*This is actually relevant to the thread but I can't tell you why or else spoilers.

From the Rhineland or some other area near the German-French borders.

Why?

[Registug]

Random question. Pretending for a moment that you don't know what I was IRL. What would you think I was?

*This is actually relevant to the thread but I can't tell you why or else spoilers.

I actually know what you are. French-German, maybe Belgian, Austrian, Swiss, or for some reason Hungarian, though I don't know why Hungarian.

[Tule]

It'll be almost entirely safe from an EMP attack in the first place, and many of its key equipment for fighting can't be "jammed" per se.
Thermal sensors, laser guidance and ranging, even MMW emitters.
They can all be spoofed and otherwise messed with, but not rendered useless.

It is strictly true that more electronics and electronic control is more to go wrong. Look at the L94 chain gun. But they bring enormous advantages over mechanical or especially hand-driven systems.
Hence why those NS tanks would have an edge, if not the upper hand, over your vehicles.

It comes down to how much you want to throw out and what you want to live on.

Individual pieces of electronic equipment aren't really that vulnerable to EMP, they can be temporarily disrupted but not destroyed. It's first and foremost large networks and infrastructure that would be damaged. Cell phones and cars would be fine, but cell phone towers, server farms and power grids would be screwed.

[Primordial Luxa]

It'll be almost entirely safe from an EMP attack in the first place, and many of its key equipment for fighting can't be "jammed" per se.
Thermal sensors, laser guidance and ranging, even MMW emitters.
They can all be spoofed and otherwise messed with, but not rendered useless.

It is strictly true that more electronics and electronic control is more to go wrong. Look at the L94 chain gun. But they bring enormous advantages over mechanical or especially hand-driven systems.
Hence why those NS tanks would have an edge, if not the upper hand, over your vehicles.

It comes down to how much you want to throw out and what you want to live on.

Individual pieces of electronic equipment aren't really that vulnerable to EMP, they can be temporarily disrupted but not destroyed. It's first and foremost large networks and infrastructure that would be damaged. Cell phones and cars would be fine, but cell phone towers, server farms and power grids would be screwed.

How realistic would it be for private companies to equip those with EMP proof tech?

[Imperializt Russia]

It'd be either difficult, or ludicrously expensive.
Like, unfathomably expensive.

Power grids are vulnerable because they're big and cables are conductive.

[Velkanika]

Individual pieces of electronic equipment aren't really that vulnerable to EMP, they can be temporarily disrupted but not destroyed. It's first and foremost large networks and infrastructure that would be damaged. Cell phones and cars would be fine, but cell phone towers, server farms and power grids would be screwed.

How realistic would it be for private companies to equip those with EMP proof tech?

It's impossible to do so realistically. There are no techniques or technologies currently in existence or on the drawing board that can protect a national power grid or cell tower if they got hit by a high-altitude EMP. The sheer quantity of electrical energy you have to deal with would cause breakers to fail bad and melt cables from resistance heating.

[Purpelia]

How realistic would it be for private companies to equip those with EMP proof tech?

It's impossible to do so realistically. There are no techniques or technologies currently in existence or on the drawing board that can protect a national power grid or cell tower if they got hit by a high-altitude EMP. The sheer quantity of electrical energy you have to deal with would cause breakers to fail bad and melt cables from resistance heating.

And that's not even accounting for the fact that things such as cellphone towers and really anything that works like an antenna needs to be uninsulated to work.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

CREDIT GOES TO ANEMOS MAJOR

Here's an example of what can be done.. (remember to choose IFV) a little form to buy Anemos' MA9A2

Which shows up nicely like so

What is this?

Sorry for such a late answer. Hope you're ok with me using your stuff basically nsstorefronts 2.0

[The Nuclear Fist]

What's a good defense against a sort of recon/stealth attack helicopter thing?

Specifically, this.

[Imperializt Russia]

What's a good defense against a sort of recon/stealth attack helicopter thing?

Specifically, this.

All stealth aircraft can be detected.
The question is, at what range?

Therefore, blow it out of the sky with air defences and air patrols.

[Kouralia]

What's a good defense against a sort of recon/stealth attack helicopter thing?

Specifically, this.

Stealth helicopters... aren't. As far as I'm aware, having large spinny whooshy noisy things going around above your nice angled fuselage doesn't help stelf at all.

[Riysa]

What's a good defense against a sort of recon/stealth attack helicopter thing?

Specifically, this.

All stealth aircraft can be detected.
The question is, at what range?

Therefore, blow it out of the sky with air defences and air patrols.

I feel like that company is in PMT bounds, considering that their aircraft have hard-kill APS systems, and one of their MBTs has a 16cm revolver cannon ETC that can maintain up to 40 RPM, for starters.

[Imperializt Russia]

I think that sounds more in the realms of "wank" tbh...

[Riysa]

I think that sounds more in the realms of "wank" tbh...

Let the wanking begin?

[The Corparation]

What's a good defense against a sort of recon/stealth attack helicopter thing?

Specifically, this.

Stealth helicopters... aren't. As far as I'm aware, having large spinny whooshy noisy things going around above your nice angled fuselage doesn't help stelf at all.

Actually there's some nifty rotor designs out there that are nearly quiet. Quiet to the point where they aren't recognizable as rotors. I have link to them somewhere. No idea what they do to RCS, but for a stealthy helicopter flying low to the ground noise is a big concern as well.

[Imperializt Russia]

I think that sounds more in the realms of "wank" tbh...

Let the wanking begin?

I think what is probably the worst part of that is that he somehow has a 30mm gun (recoilless, at that) which launches a 150g KEP at five kilometres a second.

[The Nuclear Fist]

You know, sometimes I get so worked up that I forget that a lot of problems can be solved with good, old fashioned manpower.

It's good to know that I can detect those sorts of things with simple patrols and spotters.

[Oaledonia]

I think that sounds more in the realms of "wank" tbh...

Let the wanking begin?

Just saying, I hate annoyingly long text blocks that try to fluff what could be explained in a sentence or two.

[Riysa]

Let the wanking begin?

Just saying, I hate annoyingly long text blocks that try to fluff what could be explained in a sentence or two.

Pretty sure this can be explained in as such:

TL;DR: Wank.

Not to mention the hull is composed of steel, apparently?

I also love the 25 km range on his 16 cm revolver cannon.

[Kouralia]

Stealth helicopters... aren't. As far as I'm aware, having large spinny whooshy noisy things going around above your nice angled fuselage doesn't help stelf at all.

Actually there's some nifty rotor designs out there that are nearly quiet. Quiet to the point where they aren't recognizable as rotors. I have link to them somewhere. No idea what they do to RCS, but for a stealthy helicopter flying low to the ground noise is a big concern as well.

Blue- something rotor-end design, I remember hearing about, but I doubt it does anything to the RCS.

[Imperializt Russia]

Just saying, I hate annoyingly long text blocks that try to fluff what could be explained in a sentence or two.

Pretty sure this can be explained in as such:

TL;DR: Wank.

Not to mention the hull is composed of steel, apparently?

I also love the 25 km range on his 16 cm revolver cannon.

In theory, a lot more than that.
Effective? No.
With a 50% probability of striking an eight-inch circle?

Definitely not.