NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #5

[Purpelia]

Aerodynamic dispersal of chemical and biological weapons allows for precise control of particle size, eliminates flashing and allows for precise control of concentration.

Spraying a cloud of BC agent from an aircraft, cruise missile or drone downwind from the target is perhaps the most effective form of delivery. Assuming the wind is blowing at a good speed, it will roll over them like an advancing wall of doom. Of course if the wind is absent, intermittent or exceedingly strong this method is much less effective.

Why not just fly a cruise missile over them and spray directly overhead? (Assuming no wind)

[Immoren]

Not really realism, but flavor related question.
But what level of "leadership" training should I demand from those trying to get to the cadet (officer) school after the conscription.
Should only those who were given reserve officer training while conscripts given chance to apply to cadet schoo?
Should reserve officer and reserve NCOs given chance to apply to cadet school?
Or should reserve officers, reserve NCOs AND rank-and-file reservist given chance to compete into cadet school.

Well, you know my opinion on this: everybody gets a 7-year education before enlisting.

You remember that most of my soldiers are conscripts and mandatory reservists doing their national defense duty, right?

[Themiclesia]

Well, you know my opinion on this: everybody gets a 7-year education before enlisting.

You remember that most of my soldiers are conscripts and mandatory reservists doing their national defense duty, right?

(O_O|||) I have basically rescinded that because it finds no favour amongst the other posters.

[Purpelia]

You remember that most of my soldiers are conscripts and mandatory reservists doing their national defense duty, right?

(O_O|||) I have basically rescinded that because it finds no favour amongst the other posters.

About that. We had a discussion going and I just want to clear up one thing from the last thread if I may. If you remember this part:

Western Europe. Seriously, the whole bloody thing starting from the Indians and Pakistanis in the UK and passing though the Moroccans in France and Turks in Germany. Especially the Turks in Germany.

As far as I'm concerned, there are Germans in Germany and Frenchmen in France and Britons in the UK. I don't see anything wrong when Turks appear in Germany, and I can't foresee anybody but the most xenophobic having a serious objection to the Turks' presence in Germany. Especially citizenship is only granted if one's parents and grandparents are citizens in my nation.

I feel that you have missed the point of what I was trying to say. The point is that when you import people to do dirty jobs for you they tend to stay. They than tend to get citizenship, marry and multiply. Their children won't want to keep doing dirty jobs. And they certainly won't be foreigners (as you said your self). So you are going to have to import more and more foreign workers to feed the infinite cycle of population growth caused by importing foreign workers. And at some point this will end up in the same place parts of Europe are now with a lot of ex foreigners, not enough jobs for everyone and ethnic tensions flaring up as half of your natives blame the foreigners and the foreigners respond by isolating them self. Overall, not a fun place to be. So you have to be careful in how you import your work force.

[Themiclesia]

(O_O|||) I have basically rescinded that because it finds no favour amongst the other posters.

About that. We had a discussion going and I just want to clear up one thing from the last thread if I may. If you remember this part:

As far as I'm concerned, there are Germans in Germany and Frenchmen in France and Britons in the UK. I don't see anything wrong when Turks appear in Germany, and I can't foresee anybody but the most xenophobic having a serious objection to the Turks' presence in Germany. Especially citizenship is only granted if one's parents and grandparents are citizens in my nation.

I feel that you have missed the point of what I was trying to say. The point is that when you import people to do dirty jobs for you they tend to stay. They than tend to get citizenship, marry and multiply. Their children won't want to keep doing dirty jobs. And they certainly won't be foreigners (as you said your self). So you are going to have to import more and more foreign workers to feed the infinite cycle of population growth caused by importing foreign workers. And at some point this will end up in the same place parts of Europe are now with a lot of ex foreigners, not enough jobs for everyone and ethnic tensions flaring up as half of your natives blame the foreigners and the foreigners respond by isolating them self. Overall, not a fun place to be. So you have to be careful in how you import your work force.

Well, honestly nationalistic sentiment is at an all-world low in Themiclesia, and the reason therefor isn't exactly within the stated purview of this thread. It's that xenoi are still better paid than in some places in my region, such as Landsknestsches Republic (which is grossly misspelt), and that's how we keep them in. Only citizens' (politai) children are citizens, and foreigners' (xenoi) children are still foreigners. They have economic power to an extent, but not political power; and since we do not recognize the existence of the ethnicity, but only a cultural group, our government is incapable of dealing with ethnic tension, which is low anyway. Xenoi can become prominent in the industrial world, but political power is kept in the hands of the citizens. I know how unjust this system sounds, but this is my canon.

[The IASM]

Ah new thread smell.

[Oaledonia]

What u guyz do? :v

[Themiclesia]

What u guyz do? :v

Well, discussing things.

[Purpelia]

What u guyz do? :v

Krokodil mostly.

[Oaledonia]

What u guyz do? :v

Krokodil mostly.

Weaponize it.

[Morrdh]

OK, maybe bit of an unusual one.

I basically RP with having a really advanced space programme, part of this has included having a military service devoted to said space programme which has led to a hybrid military/civilian operation (RL example would be the US Post Office using military pilots to deliver air mail and the RAF doing a similar job during the Interwar years). Now I've gone with the space programme requiring a large amount of manpower, so I RP as having conscription similar to the British National Service of the 1950s to address this and also ensure the other services of my military still get a decent amount of recruits but still cap my military as being 5% of population.

Now I have two questions;

1. Is this a realistic way of going about things?

2. Could it be sustained for 60 odd years?

[Imperializt Russia]

And? So far as I'm aware, chemical shells don't either.
Unless they're so shit that Iraqi insurgents managed to break into one.

Applying the controls on chemical weapons to thermobarics is barmy.

Really this is just promoting the silly myth that enhanced blast explosives are "superior" weapons, borderline superweapons even. FFS we have had people in these threads who claimed they use thermobarics instead of nuclear weapons. And don't even get me started on the FOAB. As the military realism thread we should be working to kill these superstitions dead.

Besides fairness dictates that if the thread can rip into themis, we should not hesitate to rip into vetok either.

Supposedly, Russia has very few physical controls on its chemical weapons, though the fact that we're talking enormous sealed palettes of chemical shells seems to be sufficient in spite of poor storage and guarding.

But thermobaric effects just result in a pressure wave and fireball. That's nowhere near a nuke.

It's the supposed yields capable, and everyone taking Russian claims and American counter-claims at face value and then some.
See FOAB.

[The Kievan People]

Why not just fly a cruise missile over them and spray directly overhead? (Assuming no wind)

While you can do that. But without wind, it will cover a much smaller area, so it won't be as effective a method dispersal.

[The Akasha Colony]

OK, maybe bit of an unusual one.

I basically RP with having a really advanced space programme, part of this has included having a military service devoted to said space programme which has led to a hybrid military/civilian operation (RL example would be the US Post Office using military pilots to deliver air mail and the RAF doing a similar job during the Interwar years). Now I've gone with the space programme requiring a large amount of manpower, so I RP as having conscription similar to the British National Service of the 1950s to address this and also ensure the other services of my military still get a decent amount of recruits but still cap my military as being 5% of population.

Now I have two questions;

1. Is this a realistic way of going about things?

2. Could it be sustained for 60 odd years?

Not 5% of your population, no. At least, if you want something resembling an economy.

Conventional conscription would be fine for grunt work and support jobs for the space program, but I imagine otherwise you'd probably want something more targeted, since in addition to just manual labor, you'd need the skilled scientific base to make it happen.

[The Akasha Colony]

People think of thermobarics as super weapons?

There was a particular poster in this thread who claimed he could use such weapons to feasibly replace his strategic nuclear arsenal, and that this would give him a strategic advantage in engagement against a nuclear state.

[Purpelia]

People think of thermobarics as super weapons?

There was a particular poster in this thread who claimed he could use such weapons to feasibly replace his strategic nuclear arsenal, and that this would give him a strategic advantage in engagement against a nuclear state.

W?

[Themiclesia]

There was a particular poster in this thread who claimed he could use such weapons to feasibly replace his strategic nuclear arsenal, and that this would give him a strategic advantage in engagement against a nuclear state.

W?

Not me.

[Registug]

There was a particular poster in this thread who claimed he could use such weapons to feasibly replace his strategic nuclear arsenal, and that this would give him a strategic advantage in engagement against a nuclear state.

W?

Vhat is this supposed to mean?

[Purpelia]

W?

Vhat is this supposed to mean?

What? / WTF? / Who?

Pick one or more.

[Morrdh]

OK, maybe bit of an unusual one.

I basically RP with having a really advanced space programme, part of this has included having a military service devoted to said space programme which has led to a hybrid military/civilian operation (RL example would be the US Post Office using military pilots to deliver air mail and the RAF doing a similar job during the Interwar years). Now I've gone with the space programme requiring a large amount of manpower, so I RP as having conscription similar to the British National Service of the 1950s to address this and also ensure the other services of my military still get a decent amount of recruits but still cap my military as being 5% of population.

Now I have two questions;

1. Is this a realistic way of going about things?

2. Could it be sustained for 60 odd years?

Not 5% of your population, no. At least, if you want something resembling an economy.

Conventional conscription would be fine for grunt work and support jobs for the space program, but I imagine otherwise you'd probably want something more targeted, since in addition to just manual labor, you'd need the skilled scientific base to make it happen.

What would be a better percentage to have then?

Grunt work and support jobs is what I envision using conscription for, officers and specialists would be volunteer who re-enlisted after their National Service was over (it lasts two years and kicks in at age 18 for males only). Probably would've created a whole bunch of aerospace related university stuff.

[Purpelia]

What would be a better percentage to have then?

Less than 1%.

Here is a list of countries and their armies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... _personnel

Notice that only the DPRK has an army even close to what you are envisioning percentage vise at a stunning 0.38 %.

[The Akasha Colony]

There was a particular poster in this thread who claimed he could use such weapons to feasibly replace his strategic nuclear arsenal, and that this would give him a strategic advantage in engagement against a nuclear state.

W?

United Earthlings.

What would be a better percentage to have then?

Grunt work and support jobs is what I envision using conscription for, officers and specialists would be volunteer who re-enlisted after their National Service was over (it lasts two years and kicks in at age 18 for males only). Probably would've created a whole bunch of aerospace related university stuff.

It depends how badly you need them, whether it's a Cold War-style conflict that generally looks like it won't go hot for the foreseeable future, or an Israel-like issue where you've got enemies at the gates who will invade at the drop of a hat and slaughter your people if they win.

But it should be noted that even Israel's active force with female conscription is only 2.2%, and they're assisted by the US and several other nations that donate money or equipment to them.

[Vetok]

People think of thermobarics as super weapons?

There was a particular poster in this thread who claimed he could use such weapons to feasibly replace his strategic nuclear arsenal, and that this would give him a strategic advantage in engagement against a nuclear state.

What. O.o

United Earthlings.

...And that says it all.

[Morrdh]

What would be a better percentage to have then?

Grunt work and support jobs is what I envision using conscription for, officers and specialists would be volunteer who re-enlisted after their National Service was over (it lasts two years and kicks in at age 18 for males only). Probably would've created a whole bunch of aerospace related university stuff.

It depends how badly you need them, whether it's a Cold War-style conflict that generally looks like it won't go hot for the foreseeable future, or an Israel-like issue where you've got enemies at the gates who will invade at the drop of a hat and slaughter your people if they win.

But it should be noted that even Israel's active force with female conscription is only 2.2%, and they're assisted by the US and several other nations that donate money or equipment to them.

Probably in between the two, perhaps a little towards the latter, with regards to my neighbour (there is a history of border skirmishes and the occasional skirmish).

Conscription was really a way of balancing out the manpower requirements for the space programme and what was needed for defence, though with the former I've had other nations donate resources to help support it).

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

How's it going people?

You may (or may not.. ) have noticed my period of partial inactivity.. what has been going on lately?

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EDIT: I think I may have found the most beautiful airplane after the P-51 Mustang..

I present to you..



..the Yak-32

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