NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #5

[The Akasha Colony]

They try, but it's hard to make a competent air force, when your competition (The Thresians) have some of the best pilots in the galaxy.


The Thresian air force if like a entire branch of Red Barons.....

That's exactly the reason why you make a competent air force. It isn't that hard.

[Gallia-]

I have a friend who's an exterminator.

Exterminators only take out animals that are harmful to humans in one way or another. They don't go after ant hills somewhere in the wilderness.

An AI would undoubtedly take over our natural resources e.g. steel. But I doubt an AI would be bothered by some human hunter-gatherers on some remote, resource-poor Pacific islands.

Well, an industrial society is where 99% of humans live so I guess we can just ignore the mass genocide. Nbd, humans are already planning it anyway.

[Mozria]

I was under the impression that it jammed laser emitters and sensors. It is a dazzler, after all.

Basically it drowns out the IR beacon on SACLOS missiles - the tracking unit doesn't know where the missile is anymore so it can't guide it.

Jamming a beamrider requires an actual dazzer strong enough to disorient the user for a few seconds.

Oh. Alright, then. In this case, would it be a good idea to use a simple beam-riding/IIR guidance combination for anti-ground and anti-air capability on the launch platform?

[Oaledonia]

This is for the Boers after their little rebellion, but is a Stridsvagn 103 based tank good for ambushing and maybe flanking?

Ambushing, yes - that is what it was made for.
Flanking, no - it was designed to retreat after it fired.

[Britinthia]

Can you bring down a cruise missile with another missile without actually hitting iit directly. Maybe with HE warhead and ball bearings or some sort of fuel air explosive?

The scenario being a constant attack against a city or small country with such numbers that intecepting every one isnt feasible, so instead the idea would be to get close and knock out something important, limiting the resulting damage.

[Zeinbrad]

They try, but it's hard to make a competent air force, when your competition (The Thresians) have some of the best pilots in the galaxy.


The Thresian air force if like a entire branch of Red Barons.....

That's exactly the reason why you make a competent air force. It isn't that hard.

Well, the other 10% of the Air Force, which is made up of the pilot dynasties, are figuratively born with a joystick in hand, playing flight simulators at 5 and being in the danger zone 100% of the time by 16.

But there's too few pilots from the dynasties to make a competent air force, and the warrior caste doesn't focus on aerial combat.

So they have to take pilots from the other castes, such as the Pariahs, the poor and homeless.

[Triplebaconation]

Exterminators only take out animals that are harmful to humans in one way or another. They don't go after ant hills somewhere in the wilderness.

An AI would undoubtedly take over our natural resources e.g. steel. But I doubt an AI would be bothered by some human hunter-gatherers on some remote, resource-poor Pacific islands.

Well, an industrial society is where 99% of humans live so I guess we can just ignore the mass genocide. Nbd, humans are already planning it anyway.

A proper Strossian singularity would decide it needs coconuts more than a few cavemen pretty quickly.

[Velkanika]

Can you bring down a cruise missile with another missile without actually hitting iit directly. Maybe with HE warhead and ball bearings or some sort of fuel air explosive?

The scenario being a constant attack against a city or small country with such numbers that intecepting every one isnt feasible, so instead the idea would be to get close and knock out something important, limiting the resulting damage.

Most warheads in air-to-air missiles are continuous rod warheads. A skin-skin contact is preferable, but you just need to get the missile close to destroy a target aircraft or cruise missile. Cruise missiles are also large enough targets (depending on the missile) to get a good lock on, so it's not impossible to shoot them down given advance notice.

FAE doesn't work very well against anything but a static target, so discard that option out of hand.

Also, damaging the missile with some kind of explosive is the definition of intercepting it.

[Britinthia]

Can you bring down a cruise missile with another missile without actually hitting iit directly. Maybe with HE warhead and ball bearings or some sort of fuel air explosive?

The scenario being a constant attack against a city or small country with such numbers that intecepting every one isnt feasible, so instead the idea would be to get close and knock out something important, limiting the resulting damage.

Most warheads in air-to-air missiles are continuous rod warheads. A skin-skin contact is preferable, but you just need to get the missile close to destroy a target aircraft or cruise missile. Cruise missiles are also large enough targets (depending on the missile) to get a good lock on, so it's not impossible to shoot them down given advance notice.

FAE doesn't work very well against anything but a static target, so discard that option out of hand.

Also, damaging the missile with some kind of explosive is the definition of intercepting it.

Awesomesauce. Thats just what I needed to know.

[Zeinbrad]

I don't know how to word this but.

How feasible do you think that the Boers have a "special forces" group of sorts, of about 5 men (and women) that go behind the Fusilier lines, cause havoc, and then are gone by the next morning?

If this is feasible, I may have my main characters group.

[Triplebaconation]

Maybe you could call them "commandos."

[Zeinbrad]

Maybe you could call them "commandos."

Way ahead of you.

I also thinking of giving them a SAS jeep like those ones in WW2.

Why? Because there is never enough dakka.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Reposting due to getting burried...

SSM/ASM-4 "Leviathan"

Weight: 3,500lb (1,600kg)
Length: 19.5ft (5.9m)
Wingspan: 8ft (2.4m)
Warhead:: 1,000lb (453.5kg) Blast Fragmentation Penetrator
Range: 450km (243nmi)
Speed: 1458mph (Mach 1.9)
Guidance: GPS/INS with terminal active radar seeker

Special Features:
- Sea-skimming
- Fits in Mk-41 VLS strike-length capsule
- Psuedo-random maneuvering in terminal attack phase

Better?

I originally wanted to go full Kh-22 with 2025lb RDX shape charge, but I figured that wouldn't fit in an Mk-41 so I cut about a quarter off.

Now I chopped it down to 1000lb and made it closer to JASSM/LRASM-A warhead.

[Velkanika]

Reposting due to getting burried...

SSM/ASM-4 "Leviathan"

Weight: 3,500lb (1,600kg)
Length: 19.5ft (5.9m)
Wingspan: 8ft (2.4m)
Warhead:: 1,000lb (453.5kg) Blast Fragmentation Penetrator
Range: 450km (243nmi)
Speed: 1458mph (Mach 1.9)
Guidance: GPS/INS with terminal active radar seeker

Special Features:
- Sea-skimming
- Fits in Mk-41 VLS strike-length capsule
- Psuedo-random maneuvering in terminal attack phase

Better?

I originally wanted to go full Kh-22 with 2025lb RDX shape charge, but I figured that wouldn't fit in an Mk-41 so I cut about a quarter off.

Now I chopped it down to 1000lb and made it closer to JASSM/LRASM-A warhead.

Looks good to me.

[Zeinbrad]

Okay, I have decided that some of the units the Boers rebels, have SAS gun jeeps like things.

Anything you advise I add or take away from the jeeps?

Besides lots of machine guns.

[The State of Czecho-Slovakia]

So, on researching the situation in Ukraine and Slovakia's military capabilities a bit more, I've decided that the best tactic for a Slovak intervention would be a night-time paratroop assault, using Special Forces Regiment No.5, on Donetsk. The Donbass Palace is obviously the target. The main objective would be the disarmament and perhaps apprehension of the officials of the Donetsk Peoples Republic. The tactic used in this raid would be vertical envelopment.

Aircraft used would be Let-140 Turbolets, troopers would be armed with either HK-416 carbines or vz.58 rifles (which would be better for this mission? I think vz 58 due to the ammo compatibillity with AKs), and Car Gustav recoiless rifles.

Critiques anybody?
Also, does Slovakia still have its AN-26? They say the retired it last month, but if its still around they could be reactivated for this mission.

[Firmador]

Would it be optimal to take out enemy airfields en masse during clear weather or during poor weather where you'd have more natural coverage?

[Gvozdevsk]

Maybe you could call them "commandos."

Way ahead of you.

I also thinking of giving them a SAS jeep like those ones in WW2.

Why? Because there is never enough dakka.

Give it a not-ZU-23 and .50 cal MGs with Raufoss rounds for maximum dakka.

edit:

So, on researching the situation in Ukraine and Slovakia's military capabilities a bit more, I've decided that the best tactic for a Slovak intervention would be a night-time paratroop assault, using Special Forces Regiment No.5, on Donetsk. The Donbass Palace is obviously the target. The main objective would be the disarmament and perhaps apprehension of the officials of the Donetsk Peoples Republic. The tactic used in this raid would be vertical envelopment.

Aircraft used would be Let-140 Turbolets, troopers would be armed with either HK-416 carbines or vz.58 rifles (which would be better for this mission? I think vz 58 due to the ammo compatibillity with AKs), and Car Gustav recoiless rifles.

Critiques anybody?
Also, does Slovakia still have its AN-26? They say the retired it last month, but if its still around they could be reactivated for this mission.

Ukraine primarily uses 5.45 AKs so ammo compatibility with the Vz. 58 isn't something to be considered. Plus instead of just picking mags up off of dead guys you have to take their ammo out of their mags and put it in Vz. 58 mags. You'd be better off using the 416 in my opinion. Or the CZ-805 if your going with Czechoslovakia still essentially being the same country.

[Legatia]

Would it be optimal to take out enemy airfields en masse during clear weather or during poor weather where you'd have more natural coverage?

This depends on how you're doing it. Infantry charge? Air raid? However, air fields are usually not heavily defended and are relatively easy to attack.

[Zeinbrad]

Way ahead of you.

I also thinking of giving them a SAS jeep like those ones in WW2.

Why? Because there is never enough dakka.

Give it a not-ZU-23 and .50 cal MGs with Raufoss rounds for maximum dakka.

edit:

So, on researching the situation in Ukraine and Slovakia's military capabilities a bit more, I've decided that the best tactic for a Slovak intervention would be a night-time paratroop assault, using Special Forces Regiment No.5, on Donetsk. The Donbass Palace is obviously the target. The main objective would be the disarmament and perhaps apprehension of the officials of the Donetsk Peoples Republic. The tactic used in this raid would be vertical envelopment.

Aircraft used would be Let-140 Turbolets, troopers would be armed with either HK-416 carbines or vz.58 rifles (which would be better for this mission? I think vz 58 due to the ammo compatibillity with AKs), and Car Gustav recoiless rifles.

Critiques anybody?
Also, does Slovakia still have its AN-26? They say the retired it last month, but if its still around they could be reactivated for this mission.

Ukraine primarily uses 5.45 AKs so ammo compatibility with the Vz. 58 isn't something to be considered. Plus instead of just picking mags up off of dead guys you have to take their ammo out of their mags and put it in Vz. 58 mags. You'd be better off using the 416 in my opinion. Or the CZ-805 if your going with Czechoslovakia still essentially being the same country.

A AA gun SAS jeep?

I am liking the Boers even more now.

[The State of Czecho-Slovakia]

Way ahead of you.

I also thinking of giving them a SAS jeep like those ones in WW2.

Why? Because there is never enough dakka.

Give it a not-ZU-23 and .50 cal MGs with Raufoss rounds for maximum dakka.

edit:

So, on researching the situation in Ukraine and Slovakia's military capabilities a bit more, I've decided that the best tactic for a Slovak intervention would be a night-time paratroop assault, using Special Forces Regiment No.5, on Donetsk. The Donbass Palace is obviously the target. The main objective would be the disarmament and perhaps apprehension of the officials of the Donetsk Peoples Republic. The tactic used in this raid would be vertical envelopment.

Aircraft used would be Let-140 Turbolets, troopers would be armed with either HK-416 carbines or vz.58 rifles (which would be better for this mission? I think vz 58 due to the ammo compatibillity with AKs), and Car Gustav recoiless rifles.

Critiques anybody?
Also, does Slovakia still have its AN-26? They say the retired it last month, but if its still around they could be reactivated for this mission.

Ukraine primarily uses 5.45 AKs so ammo compatibility with the Vz. 58 isn't something to be considered. Plus instead of just picking mags up off of dead guys you have to take their ammo out of their mags and put it in Vz. 58 mags. You'd be better off using the 416 in my opinion. Or the CZ-805 if your going with Czechoslovakia still essentially being the same country.

I'll do the HK416 then. I decided to just do Slovakia for my MT RPing from here on out, since I have ancestors. Also, I'm think maybe a helicopter assault might actually be better for this operation, as then the soldiers will have a way to evacuate if needs be, unlike paratroopers. They would use Mi-17s, of which Slovakia posses 8. Also, I got the building wrong . Apparently the place I want is the creatively named "Donestk Regional Administration Building".

[Firmador]

Would it be optimal to take out enemy airfields en masse during clear weather or during poor weather where you'd have more natural coverage?

This depends on how you're doing it. Infantry charge? Air raid? However, air fields are usually not heavily defended and are relatively easy to attack.

Air raid, to knock out their airbases within a certain theatre.

[Zeinbrad]

So I decided that the commandos SAS jeeps are split into three different jeeps with different goals.

There is one armed with two 106mm recoilless rifles for AT combat, with one 7mm machine gun.

Another has a AA gun to shoot down helicopters and take out light vehicles.

The other is just a mixture of 12.7mm and 7mm machine guns.

Know any jeeps I should base these on?

[Inyourfaceistan]

This depends on how you're doing it. Infantry charge? Air raid? However, air fields are usually not heavily defended and are relatively easy to attack.

Air raid, to knock out their airbases within a certain theatre.

You could always use a tactical nuke!

[Zeinbrad]

Air raid, to knock out their airbases within a certain theatre.

You could always use a tactical nuke!

Or SAS jeeps.