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Questers
41
34%
Gallia-/Kampala-
12
10%
Velkanika
8
7%
The Kievan People/Kyiv
29
24%
The Akasha Colony
5
4%
Spirit of Hope
4
3%
Lamoni
5
4%
Lyras
10
8%
Lubyak
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4%
 
Total votes : 119

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Postby Oaledonia » Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:50 pm

Gallia- wrote:They're actually in competition with Smoke On The Water for longest II thread yet

LINK
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Postby Gallia- » Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:55 pm

Oaledonia wrote:
Gallia- wrote:They're actually in competition with Smoke On The Water for longest II thread yet

LINK


Honestly I cba to dig through 5,000 pages of II to find the OOC thread.

I remember it being something absurd though, unless that was just views.

e: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17969

It's actually not that long, but 50 pages is a bit for an II thread.
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Postby Lamoni » Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:06 pm

*Has a bit of a nostalgia moment, since i'm in that thread, along with several other good players that haven't been on NS in a long time*
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Postby Velkanika » Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:42 pm

Gallia- wrote:They're actually in competition with Smoke On The Water for longest II thread yet, starting with the opening battle of the coming war. Expect battles with wind, snow, rain, and heat as mail couriers brave the elements to deliver letters of lost love and forsaken hopes to service family members around page 67. One particularly emotional moment will be when the commanding general of the Samozian Army receives a damning Dear John letter from his wife of 37 years.


I'm totally referencing this when Samoz and I eventually throw down.

And Samoz uses the -iy suffix, so Samozniy and/or Samozny are the proper spellings.
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Postby Questers » Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:53 pm

Dragomere wrote:How can I make these more realistic?

1930's Dragomerian Battleship
(Image)
With a maximum speed of 130 km/h, it has 14 standard Anti-Aircraft Turrets and 6 Heavy Fire Turrets. This aircraft has a standard crew of 30 crewmen.

1930's Dragomerian Aircraft Carrier
(Image)
With a maximum speed of 120 km/h, it has 12 standard Anti-Aircraft Turrets. This aircraft has a standard crew of 40 crewmen. It can hold a maximum of 18 aircraft.

1950's Dragomerian Battleship
(Image)
With a maximum speed of 135 km/h, it has 24 standard Anti-Aircraft Turrets and 7 Heavy Fire Turrets. This aircraft has a standard crew of 35 crewmen.

1950's Dragomerian Aircraft Carrier
(Image)
With a maximum speed of 125 km/h, it has 12 standard Anti-Aircraft Turrets. This aircraft has a standard crew of 50 crewmen. It can hold a maximum of 24 aircraft.


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Postby Yes Im Biop » Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:55 pm

Dragomere wrote:How can I make these more realistic?

1930's Dragomerian Battleship
(Image)
With a maximum speed of 130 km/h, it has 14 standard Anti-Aircraft Turrets and 6 Heavy Fire Turrets. This aircraft has a standard crew of 30 crewmen.

1930's Dragomerian Aircraft Carrier
(Image)
With a maximum speed of 120 km/h, it has 12 standard Anti-Aircraft Turrets. This aircraft has a standard crew of 40 crewmen. It can hold a maximum of 18 aircraft.

1950's Dragomerian Battleship
(Image)
With a maximum speed of 135 km/h, it has 24 standard Anti-Aircraft Turrets and 7 Heavy Fire Turrets. This aircraft has a standard crew of 35 crewmen.

1950's Dragomerian Aircraft Carrier
(Image)
With a maximum speed of 125 km/h, it has 12 standard Anti-Aircraft Turrets. This aircraft has a standard crew of 50 crewmen. It can hold a maximum of 24 aircraft.


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Postby Velkanika » Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:59 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Dragomere wrote:How can I make these more realistic?

1930's Dragomerian Battleship
(Image)
With a maximum speed of 130 km/h, it has 14 standard Anti-Aircraft Turrets and 6 Heavy Fire Turrets. This aircraft has a standard crew of 30 crewmen.

1930's Dragomerian Aircraft Carrier
(Image)
With a maximum speed of 120 km/h, it has 12 standard Anti-Aircraft Turrets. This aircraft has a standard crew of 40 crewmen. It can hold a maximum of 18 aircraft.

1950's Dragomerian Battleship
(Image)
With a maximum speed of 135 km/h, it has 24 standard Anti-Aircraft Turrets and 7 Heavy Fire Turrets. This aircraft has a standard crew of 35 crewmen.

1950's Dragomerian Aircraft Carrier
(Image)
With a maximum speed of 125 km/h, it has 12 standard Anti-Aircraft Turrets. This aircraft has a standard crew of 50 crewmen. It can hold a maximum of 24 aircraft.


No, No no, Nononono,
NfuckingO


In other words, your idea has once again entirely missed the goalposts. You might want to go check out the Screw Realism guys, they'd love your concepts.
The necessity of a navy, in the restricted sense of the word, springs, therefore, from the existence of a peaceful shipping, and disappears with it, except in the case of a nation which has aggressive tendencies, and keeps up a navy merely as a branch of the military establishment. 1
1Alfred T. Mahan, The Influence of Sea Power Upon History, 1660-1783, 12th ed. (Boston: Little Brown and Company, 1890), 26.

Please avoid conflating my in-character role playing with what I actually believe, as these are usually quite different things.

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Postby The Akasha Colony » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:00 pm

Dragomere wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:I don't think those airships are remotely possible beyond the realm of science fiction. The weight of the weaponry and ammo and the whole plane-carrying capacity doesn't seem possible except on lolheug ships that are more of a target to kill than a regular carrier.

Actually, as long as the lift is greater than the weight, they will be fine.


Except that unless those guns are made of cardboard, the lifting strength of the gas will not be greater than the weight of all that equipment.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:01 pm

Velkanika wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:
No, No no, Nononono,
NfuckingO


In other words, your idea has once again entirely missed the goalposts. You might want to go check out the Screw Realism guys, they'd love your concepts.


I've got a nations full of anthropomorfic animals and Exo armor. And Dragomere makes me look more real than the world it's self
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Postby Oaledonia » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:08 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Velkanika wrote:
In other words, your idea has once again entirely missed the goalposts. You might want to go check out the Screw Realism guys, they'd love your concepts.


I've got a nations full of anthropomorfic animals and Exo armor. And Dragomere makes me look more real than the world it's self

I have anthropomorphic vehicles, nations, fucking feelings, etc.
I'm a member of screw realism, and I don't approve.
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Postby Dragomere » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:11 pm

You all apparently to not know its size.
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Postby Krazakistan » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:12 pm

Dat grammar tho.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:14 pm

Dragomere wrote:You all apparently to not know its size.

Still not possible.

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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:15 pm

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It's not French,it's not Spanish,it's Inyurstan
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Postby Dragomere » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:17 pm

Inyourfaceistan wrote:(Image)

Are you going to send me $1,000 now, as you broke copyright (I copyrighted and Trade Marked the name "Dragomere").
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DEFCON 1=Total War
DEFCON 2=Conflict
DEFCON 3=Peace Time
CURRENT LEVEL=DEFCON 2
The Great Dragomerian War
War on Dragomere- MT
NONE CURRENTLY

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Postby Velkanika » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:20 pm

Dragomere wrote:You all apparently to not know its size.


That doesn't matter for this. The technology to actually make that kind of vehicle did not exist in the 50s and still doesn't right now in 2014. There is a reason why you don't see that kind of vehicle outside of 20s pulp fiction.

And post the Trade Mark documentation, it's public record if you paid the fee anyways.

The United States Patent and Trademark Office has no electronic records for the term 'Dragomere.' I just checked.
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The necessity of a navy, in the restricted sense of the word, springs, therefore, from the existence of a peaceful shipping, and disappears with it, except in the case of a nation which has aggressive tendencies, and keeps up a navy merely as a branch of the military establishment. 1
1Alfred T. Mahan, The Influence of Sea Power Upon History, 1660-1783, 12th ed. (Boston: Little Brown and Company, 1890), 26.

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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:25 pm

Dragomere wrote:
Inyourfaceistan wrote:(Image)

Are you going to send me $1,000 now, as you broke copyright (I copyrighted and Trade Marked the name "Dragomere").


You really bothered to trademark the name "Dragomere"? :eyebrow:

FYI people make "Wal-Mart" and "Starbucks" memes all the time and get away with it...


It's not French,it's not Spanish,it's Inyurstan
"Inyourfaceistan" refers to my player/user name, "Inyursta" is my IC name. NOT INYURSTAN. IF YOU CALL INYURSTA "INYURSTAN" THEN IT SHOWS THAT YOU CANT READ. Just refer to me as IYF or Stan.

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Postby Dragomere » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:26 pm

Velkanika wrote:
Dragomere wrote:You all apparently to not know its size.


That doesn't matter for this. The technology to actually make that kind of vehicle did not exist in the 50s and still doesn't right now in 2014. There is a reason why you don't see that kind of vehicle outside of 20s pulp fiction.

And post the Trade Mark documentation, it's public record if you paid the fee anyways.

The United States Patent and Trademark Office has no electronic records for the term 'Dragomere.' I just checked.

Actually they had the capability to build it in the 1930's and definitely in the 1940's, but they decided to focus their work on developing more and newer planes than airships, as planes are faster and would be less of a target than a airship.
Senator Draco Dragomere of the NSG Senate
DEFCON 1=Total War
DEFCON 2=Conflict
DEFCON 3=Peace Time
CURRENT LEVEL=DEFCON 2
The Great Dragomerian War
War on Dragomere- MT
NONE CURRENTLY

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Postby Gallia- » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:27 pm

Questers wrote:
Dragomere wrote:How can I make these more realistic?

1930's Dragomerian Battleship
(Image)
With a maximum speed of 130 km/h, it has 14 standard Anti-Aircraft Turrets and 6 Heavy Fire Turrets. This aircraft has a standard crew of 30 crewmen.

1930's Dragomerian Aircraft Carrier
(Image)
With a maximum speed of 120 km/h, it has 12 standard Anti-Aircraft Turrets. This aircraft has a standard crew of 40 crewmen. It can hold a maximum of 18 aircraft.

1950's Dragomerian Battleship
(Image)
With a maximum speed of 135 km/h, it has 24 standard Anti-Aircraft Turrets and 7 Heavy Fire Turrets. This aircraft has a standard crew of 35 crewmen.

1950's Dragomerian Aircraft Carrier
(Image)
With a maximum speed of 125 km/h, it has 12 standard Anti-Aircraft Turrets. This aircraft has a standard crew of 50 crewmen. It can hold a maximum of 24 aircraft.


Image


A scathing rebuttal from Mat.

How will "Dragomere" respond to such biting remarks? o:

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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:29 pm

Dragomere wrote:
Velkanika wrote:
That doesn't matter for this. The technology to actually make that kind of vehicle did not exist in the 50s and still doesn't right now in 2014. There is a reason why you don't see that kind of vehicle outside of 20s pulp fiction.

And post the Trade Mark documentation, it's public record if you paid the fee anyways.

The United States Patent and Trademark Office has no electronic records for the term 'Dragomere.' I just checked.

Actually they had the capability to build it in the 1930's and definitely in the 1940's, but they decided to focus their work on developing more and newer planes than airships, as planes are faster and would be less of a target than a airship.

Highly doubt that still. Look at the cargo area of a blimp then get back to us.

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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:29 pm

Dragomere wrote:
Velkanika wrote:
That doesn't matter for this. The technology to actually make that kind of vehicle did not exist in the 50s and still doesn't right now in 2014. There is a reason why you don't see that kind of vehicle outside of 20s pulp fiction.

And post the Trade Mark documentation, it's public record if you paid the fee anyways.

The United States Patent and Trademark Office has no electronic records for the term 'Dragomere.' I just checked.

Actually they had the capability to build it in the 1930's and definitely in the 1940's, but they decided to focus their work on developing more and newer planes than airships, as planes are faster and would be less of a target than a airship.


1) Do you have a source?

2) If you just admitted why your idea would fail compared to planes, ASSUMING it was physically possible, why would you want it anyways?


It's not French,it's not Spanish,it's Inyurstan
"Inyourfaceistan" refers to my player/user name, "Inyursta" is my IC name. NOT INYURSTAN. IF YOU CALL INYURSTA "INYURSTAN" THEN IT SHOWS THAT YOU CANT READ. Just refer to me as IYF or Stan.

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Postby Dragomere » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:31 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
Dragomere wrote:Actually they had the capability to build it in the 1930's and definitely in the 1940's, but they decided to focus their work on developing more and newer planes than airships, as planes are faster and would be less of a target than a airship.

Highly doubt that still. Look at the cargo area of a blimp then get back to us.

it could fit my stuff in it reasonably. Also, I am not stupid, I would be using aluminum, not iron to build them.
Senator Draco Dragomere of the NSG Senate
DEFCON 1=Total War
DEFCON 2=Conflict
DEFCON 3=Peace Time
CURRENT LEVEL=DEFCON 2
The Great Dragomerian War
War on Dragomere- MT
NONE CURRENTLY

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Postby Velkanika » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:31 pm

Inyourfaceistan wrote:
Dragomere wrote:Are you going to send me $1,000 now, as you broke copyright (I copyrighted and Trade Marked the name "Dragomere").


You really bothered to trademark the name "Dragomere"? :eyebrow:

FYI people make "Wal-Mart" and "Starbucks" memes all the time and get away with it...


Don't worry about it, even if he did waste his money on it we're covered under Fair Use.

Dragomere wrote:
Velkanika wrote:
That doesn't matter for this. The technology to actually make that kind of vehicle did not exist in the 50s and still doesn't right now in 2014. There is a reason why you don't see that kind of vehicle outside of 20s pulp fiction.

And post the Trade Mark documentation, it's public record if you paid the fee anyways.

The United States Patent and Trademark Office has no electronic records for the term 'Dragomere.' I just checked.

Actually they had the capability to build it in the 1930's and definitely in the 1940's, but they decided to focus their work on developing more and newer planes than airships, as planes are faster and would be less of a target than a airship.


Alright, you got any reference design documents for some kind of zeppelin or other airship even remotely capable of lifting that kind of weight at those speeds? Any preliminary design work even?
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Postby Mitheldalond » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:32 pm

Registug wrote:
Questers wrote:I think RPing a single engagement over a series of posts is the worst idea in RP history.

:c

Moar! Moar! That was awesome

Dragomere wrote:How can I make these more realistic?

1930's Dragomerian Battleship
(Image)
With a maximum speed of 130 km/h, it has 14 standard Anti-Aircraft Turrets and 6 Heavy Fire Turrets. This aircraft has a standard crew of 30 crewmen.

1930's Dragomerian Aircraft Carrier
(Image)
With a maximum speed of 120 km/h, it has 12 standard Anti-Aircraft Turrets. This aircraft has a standard crew of 40 crewmen. It can hold a maximum of 18 aircraft.

1950's Dragomerian Battleship
(Image)
With a maximum speed of 135 km/h, it has 24 standard Anti-Aircraft Turrets and 7 Heavy Fire Turrets. This aircraft has a standard crew of 35 crewmen.

1950's Dragomerian Aircraft Carrier
(Image)
With a maximum speed of 125 km/h, it has 12 standard Anti-Aircraft Turrets. This aircraft has a standard crew of 50 crewmen. It can hold a maximum of 24 aircraft.

Erase them from existence.

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Dragomere wrote:Actually, as long as the lift is greater than the weight, they will be fine.


Except that unless those guns are made of cardboard, the lifting strength of the gas will not be greater than the weight of all that equipment.

He has them suspended from mobile satellites. I thought that was obvious...

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