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Postby New Korongo » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:14 pm

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Senestrum wrote:titanium diboride is superior o/ o/ o/



Oooooohhhhhh.......


I have found a new ceramic for the Armor of my CATTB modded M8.
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Postby Rusikstan » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:50 pm

Into the future:

After Penn uses titanium diboride and gets torn every which way people come to accept it.

Then after a year or so tank Armor is now made of aggregated diamond nanorods (b/c is sounds better than nanodiamond, or ultrahard fullerite).
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Well, the OP was looking for advice for an IC war in II, so I suppose that they would be used almost immediately.
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Postby United States of PA » Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:55 pm

I'd be somewhat surprised if that happens.

Besides, Roan mentioned, and it is probably already in the armor of the Mk 8.
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Postby United States of PA » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:02 pm

On another note: I've been reading into TiB2, and since it says it reduces wear and tear some, am now possibly toying with the idea of putting it in the main gun for the M8P ABIIMT.


Question for everyone here, what composites are good for reducing wear and tear on a gun barrel, since Chromium lined no longer works very well with the lol high pressure's seen in NS Tank guns.
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Postby Rusikstan » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:08 pm

Oh I would be suprised too....as it will probably take longer than a year.

I wonder what other things can come to it though....
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Rhenium diboride?


Also me and roan had this conversation about barrel wear and the like earlier in this thread see if I can dig up some fruits from my independent search as I can't remember anything about it right now.
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United Dependencies wrote:What is the likelihood of a tactical nuke being used in this situation?

Well, the OP was looking for advice for an IC war in II, so I suppose that they would be used almost immediately.
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United States of PA wrote:On another note: I've been reading into TiB2, and since it says it reduces wear and tear some, am now possibly toying with the idea of putting it in the main gun for the M8P ABIIMT.


Question for everyone here, what composites are good for reducing wear and tear on a gun barrel, since Chromium lined no longer works very well with the lol high pressure's seen in NS Tank guns.

I'm thinking of using it in my M1A2 SEP++ tanks. If you want to know WTF an SEP++ is, that is an upgraded Abrams my nation uses (which I don't want to call M1A3 because I don't know what the RL one will look like). It ha improved armor, an internal wedge plate hidden in the slope armor, spacing, composite armor with ceramics, tungsten carbide mesh, etc., a lighter 120mm gun, a General Electric turbodiesel (multifuel) engine (based on various Lyran engines harvested from purchased equipment) which is more efficient than the old Honeywell, hydropneumatic suspension, and improved composite tracks which are composite rubber-based, have reinforcement of composite alloys and "folding" similar to a Rolex, and are purported to be "stretchy".

The idea for the tracks was inspired by me studying the folds in a watch, as well as a hair band that has stretchy lining with beads. You'd be surprised at all the crazy shit I find in my house and one day get inspired to make some weapon based on it.
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Postby L3 Communications » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:19 pm

I heard they tried all rubber tracks for FCS and they tended to get torn up or something?

Also doesn't the Scorpion have all rubber tracks? Or is that just rubber pads?
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Postby United States of PA » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:23 pm

I believe Scorpion is rubber padded with a more conventional track design as the core.
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Postby Wikipedia and Universe » Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:21 am

United States of PA wrote:I believe Scorpion is rubber padded with a more conventional track design as the core.

My "rolex tracks" are like a reverse of that. Rubber composites are used as the core, with composite alloys used as the shell with folds in between to accommodate the "stretchiness". This lessens the breakdowns of the tracks while protecting it from threats such as a Bangalore Blade, which would simply slice rubber tracks like scissors. It's kind of a "rubber band"-ish design which are flexible but can also take a beating.

Here is the M1A2 SEP++ in woodland digital camo (based off of this 3D model that I found and then recolored in Paint).
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/91/m1a2sepwoodland.png
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Postby Minnysota » Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:33 am

Wikipedia and Universe wrote:
United States of PA wrote:I believe Scorpion is rubber padded with a more conventional track design as the core.

My "rolex tracks" are like a reverse of that. Rubber composites are used as the core, with composite alloys used as the shell with folds in between to accommodate the "stretchiness". This lessens the breakdowns of the tracks while protecting it from threats such as a Bangalore Blade, which would simply slice rubber tracks like scissors. It's kind of a "rubber band"-ish design which are flexible but can also take a beating.

Here is the M1A2 SEP++ in woodland digital camo (based off of this 3D model that I found and then recolored in Paint).
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/91/m1a2sepwoodland.png


Dude, take the camo out so we can actually see the tank :p I thought it was a blob of random colors when I first saw it, because the camo really blocks out the details.
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Postby Licana » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:17 am

Minnysota wrote:
Wikipedia and Universe wrote:My "rolex tracks" are like a reverse of that. Rubber composites are used as the core, with composite alloys used as the shell with folds in between to accommodate the "stretchiness". This lessens the breakdowns of the tracks while protecting it from threats such as a Bangalore Blade, which would simply slice rubber tracks like scissors. It's kind of a "rubber band"-ish design which are flexible but can also take a beating.

Here is the M1A2 SEP++ in woodland digital camo (based off of this 3D model that I found and then recolored in Paint).
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/91/m1a2sepwoodland.png


Dude, take the camo out so we can actually see the tank :p I thought it was a blob of random colors when I first saw it, because the camo really blocks out the details.

You know your camo works when you can't see the tank against a white background...
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Postby Interstellar America » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:49 pm

Licana wrote:
Minnysota wrote:
Dude, take the camo out so we can actually see the tank :p I thought it was a blob of random colors when I first saw it, because the camo really blocks out the details.

You know your camo works when you can't see the tank against a white background...


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Postby Wikipedia and Universe » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:07 pm

Licana wrote:
Minnysota wrote:
Dude, take the camo out so we can actually see the tank :p I thought it was a blob of random colors when I first saw it, because the camo really blocks out the details.

You know your camo works when you can't see the tank against a white background...

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Postby Tyrannus Moria » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:09 pm

Currently it is the Gladiator MBT MK III


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Gladiator I's were produced 1979-85 and first entered Military service in 1980. It was armed with the 120mm RC7 rifled cannon. An improved models have been released and the version available here is the Mark III. Improvements include ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour), improved gun sights, a more fuel efficient engine and a coaxial machine gun.

The Gladiator is armed with a 120mm (4.7 Inch) RC7 rifled cannon. The gun is made from high strength Electro Slag Remelting (ESR) steel with a chromium alloy lining and, it is insulated by a thermal sleeve. It is fitted with a muzzle reference system and fume extractor, and is controlled by an all-electric control and stabilization system. The turret has a rotation time of 9 seconds through 360 degrees. Along with the main gun the Gladiator mounts a coaxial machine gun and a second weapon mounted on top of the turret. It can also be equipped with smoke or grenade dispensers on each side of the turret.

In the department of Fire Control the commander has a panoramic gyrostabilised sight with laser rangefinder. Elevation range is +35° to -35°. The commander's station is equipped with eight periscopes for 360° vision. The Thermal Observation and Gunnery Sight II (TOGS II) provides night vision. The thermal image is displayed on both the gunner's and commander's sights and monitors. The gunner has a stabilised primary sight using a laser rangefinder with a range of 200 m to 10 km. The driver's position is equipped with an Optronics image-intensifying Passive Driving Periscope (PDP) for night driving.

The armour used by the Gladiator has an outer and inner layer. The outer is made from a titanium alloy, including include boron carbide, silicon carbide, aluminium oxide (sapphire or "alumina"), aluminium nitride, titanium boride and Syndie. This mixture creates a reasonably light but very strong ceramic armour. This is to defend against shaped charges and guided missiles. The inner layer maintains a Depleted Uranium alloy and has a backing plate of steel. The inner layer is designed to protect against Armour Piecing rounds. Tests have shown this armour is nearly twice as strong as Steel. Overall the armour on this tank is 1200mm thick (Frontal) and 950mm (Sides, rear and top).
Specifics
Length: 27.8 feet
Width: 10.9 feet
Height: 8 feet
Range: 300 miles
Crew: 4 (Gunner, Commander, Loader, Driver)
Engine: 12 cylinder diesel
Suspension: Hydropnumatic
Top Speed: 40 MPH (Road)
Varies (Off Road)
Weight: 66.4 Tons


we bought them and we will now use these in the rocky and plain areas with in our entire planetary area until we make our own.
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Postby The American Guilds » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:57 pm

Vanum Norendum wrote:(Image)


Where do you do that?
Tyrannus Moria wrote:Currently it is the Gladiator MBT MK III


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Gladiator I's were produced 1979-85 and first entered Military service in 1980. It was armed with the 120mm RC7 rifled cannon. An improved models have been released and the version available here is the Mark III. Improvements include ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour), improved gun sights, a more fuel efficient engine and a coaxial machine gun.

The Gladiator is armed with a 120mm (4.7 Inch) RC7 rifled cannon. The gun is made from high strength Electro Slag Remelting (ESR) steel with a chromium alloy lining and, it is insulated by a thermal sleeve. It is fitted with a muzzle reference system and fume extractor, and is controlled by an all-electric control and stabilization system. The turret has a rotation time of 9 seconds through 360 degrees. Along with the main gun the Gladiator mounts a coaxial machine gun and a second weapon mounted on top of the turret. It can also be equipped with smoke or grenade dispensers on each side of the turret.

In the department of Fire Control the commander has a panoramic gyrostabilised sight with laser rangefinder. Elevation range is +35° to -35°. The commander's station is equipped with eight periscopes for 360° vision. The Thermal Observation and Gunnery Sight II (TOGS II) provides night vision. The thermal image is displayed on both the gunner's and commander's sights and monitors. The gunner has a stabilised primary sight using a laser rangefinder with a range of 200 m to 10 km. The driver's position is equipped with an Optronics image-intensifying Passive Driving Periscope (PDP) for night driving.

The armour used by the Gladiator has an outer and inner layer. The outer is made from a titanium alloy, including include boron carbide, silicon carbide, aluminium oxide (sapphire or "alumina"), aluminium nitride, titanium boride and Syndie. This mixture creates a reasonably light but very strong ceramic armour. This is to defend against shaped charges and guided missiles. The inner layer maintains a Depleted Uranium alloy and has a backing plate of steel. The inner layer is designed to protect against Armour Piecing rounds. Tests have shown this armour is nearly twice as strong as Steel. Overall the armour on this tank is 1200mm thick (Frontal) and 950mm (Sides, rear and top).
Specifics
Length: 27.8 feet
Width: 10.9 feet
Height: 8 feet
Range: 300 miles
Crew: 4 (Gunner, Commander, Loader, Driver)
Engine: 12 cylinder diesel
Suspension: Hydropnumatic
Top Speed: 40 MPH (Road)
Varies (Off Road)
Weight: 66.4 Tons

we bought them and we will now use these in the rocky and plain areas with in our entire planetary area until we make our own.


I like the tank....
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Postby The Corparation » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:04 pm

Minnysota wrote:
Wikipedia and Universe wrote:My "rolex tracks" are like a reverse of that. Rubber composites are used as the core, with composite alloys used as the shell with folds in between to accommodate the "stretchiness". This lessens the breakdowns of the tracks while protecting it from threats such as a Bangalore Blade, which would simply slice rubber tracks like scissors. It's kind of a "rubber band"-ish design which are flexible but can also take a beating.

Here is the M1A2 SEP++ in woodland digital camo (based off of this 3D model that I found and then recolored in Paint).
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/91/m1a2sepwoodland.png


Dude, take the camo out so we can actually see the tank :p I thought it was a blob of random colors when I first saw it, because the camo really blocks out the details.

That's part of what what camo is for to break up the outline blur details and make it harder to see and identify.
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Postby Strykla » Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:36 pm

Tyrannus Moria wrote:

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That looks like a Chally/Abrams cross
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Postby Rusikstan » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:00 pm

Strykla wrote:
Tyrannus Moria wrote:

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That looks like a Chally/Abrams cross


I don't see a chally in the abrams lil brother...
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United Dependencies wrote:What is the likelihood of a tactical nuke being used in this situation?

Well, the OP was looking for advice for an IC war in II, so I suppose that they would be used almost immediately.
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Postby The Corparation » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:01 pm

Rusikstan wrote:
Strykla wrote:That looks like a Chally/Abrams cross


I don't see a chally in the abrams lil brother...

You guys are bros?
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Postby Rusikstan » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:08 pm

The Corparation wrote:
Rusikstan wrote:
I don't see a chally in the abrams lil brother...

You guys are bros?


No. I guess I have a misplaced modifier or something. I refer to the K1(perhaps the A1 at least 88) tank as the lil brother to the Abrams. As clearly the two share external similarites, though if you get close (as in actually look at the specs) there are also clear differences.
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United Dependencies wrote:What is the likelihood of a tactical nuke being used in this situation?

Well, the OP was looking for advice for an IC war in II, so I suppose that they would be used almost immediately.
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Postby Western Weyard » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:14 pm

And now for something completely different...
The Western Weyard MBT is the M8A1 Tiamat, here together with our IFV, the M16A1 Megära. Link.
It is armed with a 140mm L44 smoothbore gun and two M2 machine guns (one coax, one remote-controlled), the engine is a 1650hp diesel. (Still working on the model and the stats.)
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Postby Anemos Major » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:15 am

Western Weyard wrote:And now for something completely different...
The Western Weyard MBT is the M8A1 Tiamat, here together with our IFV, the M16A1 Megära. Link.
It is armed with a 140mm L44 smoothbore gun and two M2 machine guns (one coax, one remote-controlled), the engine is a 1650hp diesel. (Still working on the model and the stats.)


Another Golden Sun fan...?

Interesting designs; you might want to slope the tank turret while you're at it.

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Postby Western Weyard » Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:41 pm

Anemos Major wrote:Another Golden Sun fan...?

Exactly. :lol2:

Anemos Major wrote:Interesting designs; you might want to slope the tank turret while you're at it.

Like this? (Turret front and sides are now sloped at 12 degrees)
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