Your Nation's Main Battle Tank (No Mechs) [Part 1]

[Licana]

...no.

hey licana, you are good at criticizing me, what do you think: viewtopic.php?ns=1&f=23&t=91276#p4466009

I'm sure that there are a lot of people much better at criticizing than me...I'll take a look.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

One note, composite and ceramic armour are the same thing. Another, there are lots of different ceramics you can use with their own advantages and disadvantages. Some examples are silicon carbide, tungsten disulfide, and boron carbide.

[St George of England]

One note, composite and ceramic armour are the same thing. Another, there are lots of different ceramics you can use with their own advantages and disadvantages. Some examples are silicon carbide, tungsten disulfide, and boron carbide.

Oh, god. TO WIKIPEDIA!

[Green Port]

One note, composite and ceramic armour are the same thing. Another, there are lots of different ceramics you can use with their own advantages and disadvantages. Some examples are silicon carbide, tungsten disulfide, and boron carbide.

Composite armor is made of different materials, not necessarily ceramic
and i know there are different types of ceramic, but i do not know them, so...

[Licana]

I've always had a question that I never really could get awnsered, which makes for a better composite, Boron Carbide or Silicon Carbide?

[Green Port]

I've always had a question that I never really could get awnsered, which makes for a better composite, Boron Carbide or Silicon Carbide?

from what i've heard, Boron.

[New Korongo]

Im thinking of putting on top of my tanks a .50 and a 40mm grenade launcher side by side

[Green Port]

Im thinking of putting on top of my tanks a .50 and a 40mm grenade launcher side by side
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.50 MG AND a 40mm GL, thats too much, maybe a .50 MG OR a 40mm GL

[Licana]

Im thinking of putting on top of my tanks a .50 and a 40mm grenade launcher side by side
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.50 MG AND a 40mm GL, thats too much, maybe a .50 MG OR a 40mm GL

How? It doesn't seem to be infeasible, if the set up's right. For an automated turret I don't think there would be any problem, and if you design it right, it may even fit a pintle mount.

[Powys-Gwent]

That's an M1A2.

Minnysota: Not that I know of. But they've said nothing about the actual details. I can only speculate based on what is needed and what they're doing normally.

Clicked the wrong pic when deciding which tank to use

That's better.

[Wikipedia and Universe]

You mean they aren't resurrecting the CATTB?

;_;

Pretty much.

Probably not a direct resurrection, but you never know. Sumer even said that he based his conclusion on little bits of info. Also, we don't exactly know what "current threat environment" to which they are referring. TUSK and urban warfare was mainly centered on Iraq, however as you know the US withdrew combat forces, leaving advisors/special forces and logistics personnel whose withdrawal is mandated for the end of this year. The current threat environment would mainly be Afghanistan, which is more rural and could include SLATGMs leaking in from abroad (we only JUST started using Abrams in A-stan, which surprised me). From what I can gather there is little information about the plans for the M1A3, and the program is in its infancy.

[The Soviet Technocracy]

Im thinking of putting on top of my tanks a .50 and a 40mm grenade launcher side by side
(Image)

.50 MG AND a 40mm GL, thats too much, maybe a .50 MG OR a 40mm GL

LVTP-7 is too much

[Anemos Major]

.50 MG AND a 40mm GL, thats too much, maybe a .50 MG OR a 40mm GL

LVTP-7 is too much

That was the LVTP's main armament...

Maybe a 20mm smart would do a better job?

[The Kievan People]

I read a GD press brief on the program a month ago. Which I believe makes me most qualified and most informed on the actual program here.

Anyway, all it said was incremental improvements for the current threat environment. Which I figure means M1A2TUSK +1, new build instead of refit. So it's not going to be anything super.

To make sure I understand you, they are going to be actually building new everything instead of just spitshinning older models until new?

Never? lol.

It definitely won't happen this decade. 2020-2030 will see programs like the F-18 and F-22 replacements kick off (which will probably both be mind-rendingly expensive), the next bomber and SSBN start production/schedule slips, whatever comes after the Arleigh Burke now, the M113 replacement, the definitely-not-EFV Marine Corps amphibious assault vehicle, a bunch of fancy long range missiles, lots of electronic warfare equipment and probably some other expensive stuff. So it probably won't happen then either.

So sometime after 2030? Of course who is supposed to build the next American tank is an unanswered question. I'm fairly sure most of the people who designed the Abrams, Leopard 2, Leclerc and Challenger 1/2 will be dead/retired by then.

[Senestrum]

One note, composite and ceramic armour are the same thing. Another, there are lots of different ceramics you can use with their own advantages and disadvantages. Some examples are silicon carbide, tungsten disulfide, and boron carbide.

Strictly speaking, ceramics are one type of material used in some composite armors.

Edit: also btw green port, your "hypersonic" bomber will never hit mach 6 at any altitude, let alone mach 8 (the higher altitude you listed is also ludicrously low for such a vehicle)

[Strykla]

To make sure I understand you, they are going to be actually building new everything instead of just spitshinning older models until new?

Never? lol.

It definitely won't happen this decade. 2020-2030 will see programs like the F-18 and F-22 replacements kick off (which will probably both be mind-rendingly expensive), the next bomber and SSBN start production/schedule slips, whatever comes after the Arleigh Burke now, the M113 replacement, the definitely-not-EFV Marine Corps amphibious assault vehicle, a bunch of fancy long range missiles, lots of electronic warfare equipment and probably some other expensive stuff. So it probably won't happen then either.

So sometime after 2030? Of course who is supposed to build the next American tank is an unanswered question. I'm fairly sure most of the people who designed the Abrams, Leopard 2, Leclerc and Challenger 1/2 will be dead/retired by then.

Wait, wut? I ca understand F-18 replacements, but I don't think the Raptor will be phased out that quickly.

[No endorse]

Strykla, Boeing has already floated a replacement. Reason being that these programs take SOOOO

DAMN

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG

[Rusikstan]

Strykla, Boeing has already floated a replacement. Reason being that these programs take SOOOO

DAMN

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG

Fix'd

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

One note, composite and ceramic armour are the same thing. Another, there are lots of different ceramics you can use with their own advantages and disadvantages. Some examples are silicon carbide, tungsten disulfide, and boron carbide.

Strictly speaking, ceramics are one type of material used in some composite armors.

Edit: also btw green port, your "hypersonic" bomber will never hit mach 6 at any altitude, let alone mach 8 (the higher altitude you listed is also ludicrously low for such a vehicle)

Yeah, poor wording on my part, but ceramics are used in many composite armours, so listing ceramics and composite armour separately is odd. He should probably mention every material used in his armour instead of vague "composite armour."

[United States of PA]

I've always had a question that I never really could get awnsered, which makes for a better composite, Boron Carbide or Silicon Carbide?

SiC is denser than B4C by about gram per centimeter cubed. This means it is more effective at wearing down KEP Penetrators and causes more energy from a EFP to be absorbed to get through a identical amount of material than B4C. SiC.

A mix is always good of course, but if you can only use one material, SiC is better.

[Minnysota]

Strykla, Boeing has already floated a replacement. Reason being that these programs take SOOOO

DAMN

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG

F/A-XX?

Either it is to be started in 2025, or it will be finished by 2025 (I would say it is the former). Only known sixth generation aircraft to be proposed.

[The Grand World Order]

The Divine Tiger's primary armament is a modern 152mm gun/missile system, which, given the technology available today, gives the Divine Tiger some serious firepower potential. The on-board computers allow for the gunner to cycle through thermal "hotspots" (which another tank would most certainly be) for automatic aiming, though of course, manual aiming via side-stick or yoke is certainly a feature. Said computer targeting programs also permit the gunner to target signals given by friendly forces, thus allowing for much easier indirect fire. The DT's secondary armament is typically a 20mm autocannon, though a good number (dubbed Fat Mamas or Longcats) are equipped with .50BMG machine guns. Tertiary (as in, the commander's gun) armament is typically a Dillon Aerospace/M134 minigun, either on an electronic mount or with a ballistic shielding system surrounding the hatch. There is also room for a fourth machine gun, as the DT can carry an optional fourth crew member for in-field maintenance or as a reserve. This fourth gun is never one weapon in particular; it can range from an MG42 to a GMG to a TOW.

The missiles the DT can carry vary, with some of them guided by infrared, others by active RADAR homing, et cetera. One of the most commonly carried missiles is basically a 152mm tank-launched Javelin missile, with three main variants: one designed for anti-tank purposes (obviously), one as an anti-personnel beehive (flechette) munition, and one as a cluster bomb. The Divine Tiger is also capable of firing a 152mm version of the SADARM shell.

The DT is also equipped with an Infantry Denial System, which is to prevent the tank from getting mobbed from all sides. The general workings of it feature grenade launchers positioned to give a 360 degree field of fire, with the launchers defaulting to firing at 30 feet from the tank. As said before, this is designed to prevent the tank from being mobbed by hostile infantry. Obviously, the IDS is not to be used if the DT is supported by friendly infantry.

Armor also varies on the Divine Tiger. The DT was designed to have almost all of its armor easily removed at a proper depot, thus allowing for easier maintenance and modularity. The standard Army package (and it should be noted that the Army makes the most use of these) makes the Divine Tiger weigh 88 tons, equipped with Chobham-Dorchester composite armor, depleted uranium mesh, et cetera. The DT comes equipped with a noble gas fire suppression system and blowout panels. Newer Divine Tigers are being built with automated active protection systems, and operations are underway to equip the GWO's current tanks with them. Certain tanks that are deemed more important (i.e. commanding tanks, specialized equipment tanks), or tanks about to go into an area with an even higher danger than usual, are also equipped with ERA.

The DT's communications systems are designed to work with the GWO's BattleCOM network, displaying GPS, friendly/hostile forces (via the transmission and automated response to certain radio signals), live satellite uplink, remote vehicle slaver, and, of course, direct contact with the force's BattleCOM operators.

That's the DT in a nutshell.


Of course, for lighter purposes, we use the M1202 and, to a lesser extent, the M1128.

Posted for freshness. Ignore the M134.

[Licana]

Strykla, Boeing has already floated a replacement. Reason being that these programs take SOOOO

DAMN

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG

F/A-XX?

Either it is to be started in 2025, or it will be finished by 2025 (I would say it is the former). Only known sixth generation aircraft to be proposed.

Fighter Thread That Way >...well, more like that way V, but you get the jist of things.

If there are people who disagree with the technical definition of a 5th gen fighter, how will they decide what makes a 6th gen?

[Green Port]

Strictly speaking, ceramics are one type of material used in some composite armors.

Edit: also btw green port, your "hypersonic" bomber will never hit mach 6 at any altitude, let alone mach 8 (the higher altitude you listed is also ludicrously low for such a vehicle)

Yeah, poor wording on my part, but ceramics are used in many composite armours, so listing ceramics and composite armour separately is odd. He should probably mention every material used in his armour instead of vague "composite armour."

my mistake, i wrote "composite armor with" instead of "composite armor of"

[Senestrum]

I've always had a question that I never really could get awnsered, which makes for a better composite, Boron Carbide or Silicon Carbide?

SiC is denser than B4C by about gram per centimeter cubed. This means it is more effective at wearing down KEP Penetrators and causes more energy from a EFP to be absorbed to get through a identical amount of material than B4C. SiC.

A mix is always good of course, but if you can only use one material, SiC is better.

titanium diboride is superior o/ o/ o/