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Postby Licana » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:41 pm

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New Korongo wrote:T-95A > M1A2 Abrams > T-72 > T-34 > Male


K2 > Leopard 2A6/7 > Challenger 2 > LeClerc > Type 90 > M1A2 > T-80UD > Merkava IV > Type 99A2 > M1A1 > T-80 > M60A3TTS > T-90A

If I may ask, what makes the K-2 so awesome? I honestly know nothing about it.
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Postby Minnysota » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:42 pm

Dostanuot Loj wrote:
New Korongo wrote:T-95A > M1A2 Abrams > T-72 > T-34 > Male


K2 > Leopard 2A6/7 > Challenger 2 > LeClerc > Type 90 > M1A2 > T-80UD > Merkava IV > Type 99A2 > M1A1 > T-80 > M60A3TTS > T-90A

And keep in mind the T-72 is an upgraded T-72.


K2 is sexy, IMO.
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Postby Inutoland » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:48 pm

K2 is probably the RL world's most advanced tank right now. Little things like a system that delays firing when the tank jolts if its firing when moving, stuuff like that. Sumer could give you a rundown a whole lot better than I can.
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Postby The Soviet Technocracy » Sun Jan 16, 2011 5:30 pm

Dostanuot Loj wrote:
New Korongo wrote:T-95A > M1A2 Abrams > T-72 > T-34 > Male


K2 > Leopard 2A6/7 > Challenger 2 > LeClerc > Type 90 > M1A2 > T-80UD > Merkava IV > Type 99A2 > M1A1 > T-80 > M60A3TTS > T-90A

And keep in mind the T-72 is an upgraded T-72.


wat bout type 10?
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Postby Minnysota » Sun Jan 16, 2011 5:39 pm

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K2 is sexy, IMO.

I've read about and seems like it's awesome as hell, but how cost effective would it be?


I believe it is about 6 million USD per unit.

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Postby Senestrum » Sun Jan 16, 2011 5:43 pm

It's pretty similar in price to what a new-build M1A2 SEP would be, so it should be more than on par in terms of cost-effectiveness.
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Postby United States of PA » Sun Jan 16, 2011 5:45 pm

Roan, you never answered my question about if i would be able to use your Super APFSDS whenever you get it out.
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Postby Rusikstan » Sun Jan 16, 2011 5:53 pm

United States of PA wrote:Roan, you never answered my question about if i would be able to use your Super APFSDS whenever you get it out.


Nor mine about whether I can just reverse engineer the gun itself, which in the early stages is just about the same logic as ripping out a MCA-7 gun to put it on somthing else, not everything is a good idea.

As with how it would happen if I bought it, it would be different in someway b/c of the apparent awesomeness of the MK8 gun. All derivatives would be different on that principle, or some such as that.
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Postby Wikipedia and Universe » Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:12 pm

Does anyone know of any concrete conceptions of the apparently-uber-classified developing M1A3? I've heard some minor speculation, but no solid plans or even in-depth speculation. I can't even find concept art. Any speculation or maybe even solid knowledge? Sumer? Senestrum? Anyone?
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Postby United States of PA » Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:15 pm

M1A3 program was only started like, a couple of months ago to my knowledge.

I'd be surprised if they are much past feature's consideration at this time.
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Postby Zeth Rekia » Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:18 pm

Wikipedia and Universe wrote:Does anyone know of any concrete conceptions of the apparently-uber-classified developing M1A3? I've heard some minor speculation, but no solid plans or even in-depth speculation. I can't even find concept art. Any speculation or maybe even solid knowledge? Sumer? Senestrum? Anyone?

I heard it is has 6 cannons.
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Postby Licana » Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:21 pm

Zeth Rekia wrote:
Wikipedia and Universe wrote:Does anyone know of any concrete conceptions of the apparently-uber-classified developing M1A3? I've heard some minor speculation, but no solid plans or even in-depth speculation. I can't even find concept art. Any speculation or maybe even solid knowledge? Sumer? Senestrum? Anyone?

I heard it is has 6 cannons.

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So was the M-16.

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Postby Kozlovka » Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:25 pm

New Nicksyllvania wrote:
Zeth Rekia wrote:I heard it is has 6 cannons.

i herd it has 4 treads and autoloader


uber-active laser point defense system as well.

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Postby Dinosaurana » Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:25 pm

Wikipedia and Universe wrote:Does anyone know of any concrete conceptions of the apparently-uber-classified developing M1A3? I've heard some minor speculation, but no solid plans or even in-depth speculation. I can't even find concept art. Any speculation or maybe even solid knowledge? Sumer? Senestrum? Anyone?


Probably looks like the M1A2, with some improved features.
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Postby Sucrati » Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:36 pm

Zeth Rekia wrote:
Wikipedia and Universe wrote:Does anyone know of any concrete conceptions of the apparently-uber-classified developing M1A3? I've heard some minor speculation, but no solid plans or even in-depth speculation. I can't even find concept art. Any speculation or maybe even solid knowledge? Sumer? Senestrum? Anyone?

I heard it is has 6 cannons.


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Postby Dostanuot Loj » Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:40 pm

Wikipedia and Universe wrote:Does anyone know of any concrete conceptions of the apparently-uber-classified developing M1A3? I've heard some minor speculation, but no solid plans or even in-depth speculation. I can't even find concept art. Any speculation or maybe even solid knowledge? Sumer? Senestrum? Anyone?


I read a GD press brief on the program a month ago. Which I believe makes me most qualified and most informed on the actual program here.

Anyway, all it said was incremental improvements for the current threat environment. Which I figure means M1A2TUSK +1, new build instead of refit. So it's not going to be anything super.
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Postby Minnysota » Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:45 pm

Dostanuot Loj wrote:
Wikipedia and Universe wrote:Does anyone know of any concrete conceptions of the apparently-uber-classified developing M1A3? I've heard some minor speculation, but no solid plans or even in-depth speculation. I can't even find concept art. Any speculation or maybe even solid knowledge? Sumer? Senestrum? Anyone?


I read a GD press brief on the program a month ago. Which I believe makes me most qualified and most informed on the actual program here.

Anyway, all it said was incremental improvements for the current threat environment. Which I figure means M1A2TUSK +1, new build instead of refit. So it's not going to be anything super.


No engines that are less fuel-consuming?
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Postby Bajireyn » Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:59 pm

Minnysota wrote:
Dostanuot Loj wrote:
I read a GD press brief on the program a month ago. Which I believe makes me most qualified and most informed on the actual program here.

Anyway, all it said was incremental improvements for the current threat environment. Which I figure means M1A2TUSK +1, new build instead of refit. So it's not going to be anything super.


No engines that are less fuel-consuming?


i guess not...
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Postby Powys-Gwent » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:13 pm

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Challenger 2 MBT. Best MBT in the world.
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Postby Dostanuot Loj » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:18 pm

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Challenger 2 MBT. Best MBT in the world.


That's an M1A2.

Minnysota: Not that I know of. But they've said nothing about the actual details. I can only speculate based on what is needed and what they're doing normally.
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Postby Bajireyn » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:28 pm

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Challenger 2 MBT. Best MBT in the world.


you know that pictures a M1A2 not a challenger right?
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Postby Rusikstan » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:31 pm

Dostanuot Loj wrote:
Wikipedia and Universe wrote:Does anyone know of any concrete conceptions of the apparently-uber-classified developing M1A3? I've heard some minor speculation, but no solid plans or even in-depth speculation. I can't even find concept art. Any speculation or maybe even solid knowledge? Sumer? Senestrum? Anyone?


I read a GD press brief on the program a month ago. Which I believe makes me most qualified and most informed on the actual program here.

Anyway, all it said was incremental improvements for the current threat environment. Which I figure means M1A2TUSK +1, new build instead of refit. So it's not going to be anything super.


To make sure I understand you, they are going to be actually building new everything instead of just spitshinning older models until new?
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United Dependencies wrote:What is the likelihood of a tactical nuke being used in this situation?

Well, the OP was looking for advice for an IC war in II, so I suppose that they would be used almost immediately.
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Postby Dostanuot Loj » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:33 pm

Rusikstan wrote:
Dostanuot Loj wrote:
I read a GD press brief on the program a month ago. Which I believe makes me most qualified and most informed on the actual program here.

Anyway, all it said was incremental improvements for the current threat environment. Which I figure means M1A2TUSK +1, new build instead of refit. So it's not going to be anything super.


To make sure I understand you, they are going to be actually building new everything instead of just spitshinning older models until new?


Who knows?
US tank forces are capped by congress. The only way they're going to be building new is if they get rid of older Abrams. Which is a strong possibility (Iraq wants some, among others).
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Postby Rusikstan » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:39 pm

Dostanuot Loj wrote:
Rusikstan wrote:
To make sure I understand you, they are going to be actually building new everything instead of just spitshinning older models until new?


Who knows?
US tank forces are capped by congress. The only way they're going to be building new is if they get rid of older Abrams. Which is a strong possibility (Iraq wants some, among others).


Ah well then I guess we will just wait and see what becomes of it.
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Well, the OP was looking for advice for an IC war in II, so I suppose that they would be used almost immediately.
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Postby Minnysota » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:53 pm

I will wait anxiously for the M1A3 to come out.

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