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Postby The Corparation » Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:07 pm

Strykla wrote:
Wesibaden wrote:but i did pull a big ass combine with a bunch of Scrap metal not to mention the box being full of Motores and tranny's which weigh more then people btw, and please 30 guys on back is NOTHING.

It'd be cool to see how that goes up against a Humvee with a Mk 19!

Humvee would be slaughtered.
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Postby Strykla » Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:09 pm

The Corparation wrote:
Strykla wrote:It'd be cool to see how that goes up against a Humvee with a Mk 19!

Humvee would be slaughtered.

OK, lemme rephrase that; A Humvee with a competent crew and a Mk. 19.
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Postby The Corparation » Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:10 pm

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The Corparation wrote:Humvee would be slaughtered.

OK, lemme rephrase that; A Humvee with a competent crew and a Mk. 19.

Well if its got 30 people they could hop off and spread out with their RPGs. Mk 19 would take out the Toyata but then get hig by rpgs. So tie.
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Postby Strykla » Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:12 pm

The Corparation wrote:
Strykla wrote:OK, lemme rephrase that; A Humvee with a competent crew and a Mk. 19.

Well if its got 30 people they could hop off and spread out with their RPGs. Mk 19 would take out the Toyata but then get hig by rpgs. So tie.

Not if the Mk 19 engaged before they all hopped off. But I don't mean to quarrel; let us move on.
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Postby Techno-Kat » Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:17 pm

Travour wrote:So replace the engine with a turbine powering electric transmission
make electric armor non-applique
More MG = better, especially when it's used to clear riots in the ruins of Seattle.

Edit: I was also thinking of having, say, 4 dismounts. Possible?


Abrams can carry 9 dismounts, so yes.
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Postby Strykla » Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:18 pm

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Travour wrote:So replace the engine with a turbine powering electric transmission
make electric armor non-applique
More MG = better, especially when it's used to clear riots in the ruins of Seattle.

Edit: I was also thinking of having, say, 4 dismounts. Possible?


Abrams can carry 9 dismounts, so yes.

Dismounts as in troops on the side?
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Postby Techno-Kat » Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:19 pm

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Abrams can carry 9 dismounts, so yes.

Dismounts as in troops on the side?


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Postby Senestrum » Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:38 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Some flaws.

1. You aren't going to get 22 140mm shells in a tank with a turret that small.
2. 3 MGs seems so very redundant. When will you ever be lucky enough to have the enemy soldiers stand in front of your tank while a hull mounted machine gun mows them down?
3. I don't think you can do applique electric armour, and while I am don't know much about electrical armour (should probably ask Sumer or someone), I imagine that it would be rather expensive, to the point where you are better off just relying on more traditional armour.
4. Your tank is gonna be slow (most likely), it has a rather small engine by western standards (M1A2, Leo 2, Chally 2E, K2, Ariete, Type 99, and the Type 90 all have more powerful engines) (yes I consider Japan, Korea, and China western countries, since they are about as advanced as them), and is going to be "heavy", which by my standards is generally over 65 tons, and thus your tank will probably be a tad slow.


1. Actually, he can if the turret is unmanned. Not every tank sticks its ammo in the turret bustle. In fact, by my estimate he could fit as many as 34 rounds in the turret ring assuming he's going with a TTB-style carousel autoloader, while still leaving plenty of room for the gun to elevate. I would make the turret bustle taller (closer to the hull, leave the top at the same height), and also make it a bit longer as well. When you're talking 1.5 meter rounds, that sort of autoloader does need room to work.
2. Yeah, I'm not sure why he poked a great big hole in his frontal armor for the hull MG.
3. Applique electrical armor is just fine as long as he has power sockets for each piece.
4. Agreed.
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Postby The Corparation » Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:01 pm

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Strykla wrote:It's fine without the four treads. It should go on most types of terrain, as I pictured it with a torsion bar, like the M1, although I'm not sure that will be able. It's an MBT, with armor similar to the M1 and/or Chally, and it has a 125mm gun, more or less an "up-sized" version of the M256. The tank itself should also have a turbine engine, as they give you just as much mobility as a diesel with less noise.

No, it's not fine with four treads. Especially as pictured. It makes it much more vulnerable to damage, much more complex, heavier, and for what advantage?

Just going to point this out for you.
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Postby Albrante » Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:12 pm

Look at the bright side, four treads could give your uber Apocalypse tank the ground pressure of a baby dear ;)
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Postby Rusikstan » Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:34 pm

Messed with my original halberd tank and turned into the T-88H (H=Halberd) which is to be more russ-soviet turret design, with some west. I'm not sure i'm happy with it though....

T-88H:
http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt29 ... /T-88H.png

Halberd:
http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt29 ... eoTver.png
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Well, the OP was looking for advice for an IC war in II, so I suppose that they would be used almost immediately.
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Postby United States of PA » Sat Nov 20, 2010 9:10 pm

Must say: Halberd looks sweet, but the gun looks a little puny, both diameter wise and length wise to me. Caliber/size?
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Postby Rusikstan » Sat Nov 20, 2010 9:39 pm

United States of PA wrote:Must say: Halberd looks sweet, but the gun looks a little puny, both diameter wise and length wise to me. Caliber/size?


Well it never really got through the concept phase, since I couldn't best the Tver with my current knowledge. So in theory its either a 135 or 140. I didn't, nor do I ever really, draw in particular scale I tend draw in whatever size my first box is. Since my cousin drew the tracks and wheels, I literally drew a few boxes and sculpted from there a turret, barrel and body. It could probably due with another few pixels to get it to actual size.
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United Dependencies wrote:What is the likelihood of a tactical nuke being used in this situation?

Well, the OP was looking for advice for an IC war in II, so I suppose that they would be used almost immediately.
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Postby Techno-Kat » Sat Nov 20, 2010 9:42 pm

Rusikstan wrote:
United States of PA wrote:Must say: Halberd looks sweet, but the gun looks a little puny, both diameter wise and length wise to me. Caliber/size?


Well it never really got through the concept phase, since I couldn't best the Tver with my current knowledge. So in theory its either a 135 or 140. I didn't, nor do I ever really, draw in particular scale I tend draw in whatever size my first box is. Since my cousin drew the tracks and wheels, I literally drew a few boxes and sculpted from there a turret, barrel and body. It could probably due with another few pixels to get it to actual size.


tracks and wheels are rape

turret is awesome

commander's mg is amazing

gun is wat

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I thought it was a 105mm
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Postby United States of PA » Sat Nov 20, 2010 9:46 pm

I'd honestly thought it a 76mm or a 90mm. No joke.
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Postby New Korongo » Sat Nov 20, 2010 9:55 pm

Altamirus wrote:
Albrante wrote:Look at the bright side, four treads could give your uber Apocalypse tank the ground pressure of a baby dear ;)

Stealth tank FTW. Just make it camouflaged all over, smaller tank gun possible with a silencer mounted on it. Some swell cooling systems for the electronics and engine and giant camotarp to cover it when it is not moving for long periods of time and you have yourself a Ninja turtle tank.

You would need a ginourmus silencer

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Postby Rusikstan » Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:00 pm

United States of PA wrote:I'd honestly thought it a 76mm or a 90mm. No joke.


Sad...Though that is an older version of it new version has no baffle brake gun might be bigger as well. brb
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United Dependencies wrote:What is the likelihood of a tactical nuke being used in this situation?

Well, the OP was looking for advice for an IC war in II, so I suppose that they would be used almost immediately.
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Postby Rusikstan » Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:17 pm

Ok latest version, I believe I found is:

http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt29 ... alberd.png

Beginnings of small scale APS and communications in corner. Barrel is bigger, but its apparent size is up to you to decide.
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United Dependencies wrote:What is the likelihood of a tactical nuke being used in this situation?

Well, the OP was looking for advice for an IC war in II, so I suppose that they would be used almost immediately.
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Postby Senestrum » Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:17 pm

Altamirus wrote:
Albrante wrote:Look at the bright side, four treads could give your uber Apocalypse tank the ground pressure of a baby dear ;)

Stealth tank FTW. Just make it camouflaged all over, smaller tank gun possible with a silencer mounted on it. Some swell cooling systems for the electronics and engine and giant camotarp to cover it when it is not moving for long periods of time and you have yourself a Ninja turtle tank.


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Postby United States of PA » Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:18 pm

Now we just need to find a way to mount that on the tank itself...............
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:19 pm

Albrante wrote:Look at the bright side, four treads could give your uber Apocalypse tank the ground pressure of a baby dear ;)

They mean mammoth style quad tracks, not that weird Russian tank.
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Postby Rusikstan » Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:21 pm

Soultion is obvious, give it its own set of tracks. like steering a trailer, but from the front.
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United Dependencies wrote:What is the likelihood of a tactical nuke being used in this situation?

Well, the OP was looking for advice for an IC war in II, so I suppose that they would be used almost immediately.
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Postby Albrante » Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:25 pm

Rusikstan wrote:Soultion is obvious, give it its own set of tracks. like steering a trailer, but from the front.

Maybe have the whole silencer pivoting on its own wheels and have the tank end on tracks, like a freaky ninja half track?
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:26 pm

Altamirus wrote:
Senestrum wrote:
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In order for a stealth tank to be practical abet extremely and be able to move it would have to have a gun so small that it would barely qualify as a tank gun, that muffler is affixed to a concrete slab.

The solution is simple, put some wheels under the concrete slab. Retards.
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Postby Albrante » Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:28 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Altamirus wrote:In order for a stealth tank to be practical abet extremely and be able to move it would have to have a gun so small that it would barely qualify as a tank gun, that muffler is affixed to a concrete slab.

The solution is simple, put some wheels under the concrete slab. Retards.

That would completely screw the steering, the tank'd turn and have its gun snap off as the huge ass concrete block on wheels keeps going forwards. Unless of course the steering was moved from the tank to the silencer.
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