Your Nation's Main Battle Tank (No Mechs) [Part 1]

[L3 Communications]

O lord carbon wank

By the time any such materials are available in quantity they will already be obsolete as heavy armor. They are already useless against shaped charges (which ignore all material characteristics except density) and will be equally useless against future hypervelocity long-rods that will penetrate in a similar manner to modern shaped charges (hydrodynamically).

HEAT > APFSDS

[The Kievan People]

O lord carbon wank

By the time any such materials are available in quantity they will already be obsolete as heavy armor. They are already useless against shaped charges (which ignore all material characteristics except density) and will be equally useless against future hypervelocity long-rods that will penetrate in a similar manner to modern shaped charges (hydrodynamically).

HEAT > APFSDS

Thank you Dostanuot Loj

[Greater-Prussia]

Arguments not needed, Kyiv. Please.

[Satirius]

O lord carbon wank

By the time any such materials are available in quantity they will already be obsolete as heavy armor. They are already useless against shaped charges (which ignore all material characteristics except density) and will be equally useless against future hypervelocity long-rods that will penetrate in a similar manner to modern shaped charges (hydrodynamically).

but then a rocket comes which can be steered to climb and then dive into the roof armor

how well did I parrot sumer

[Scandavian States]

(which ignore all material characteristics except density)

That's WAY over-simplifying the issue. Also, you don't want LRPs reacting to armour the same way HEAT rounds do, because varying densities of materials and spacing in modern armour makes it harder for HEAT to penetrate.

[The Kievan People]

(which ignore all material characteristics except density)

That's WAY over-simplifying the issue. Also, you don't want LRPs reacting to armour the same way HEAT rounds do, because varying densities of materials and spacing in modern armour makes it harder for HEAT to penetrate.

No it's not. Against monolithic armor HEAT penetration is determined by the density of the penetrator, the density of the target and the length of the penetrator. Various mechanisms exist by which a shaped charge jet can be disrupted but these are not really relevant to carbon whatever. IF a LRP was accelerated to velocities sufficient to penetrate like a shaped charge it would still retain the advantage of being physically much stronger than a shaped charge jet, no different than a regular LRP. In other words all the strengths, none of the weaknesses.

I will say right here though that achieving velocities like that is not practical with normal guns, rockets or even ETC. It is primarily the domain of EM guns which like carbon wank is PMT. Which was my point to begin with, BY THE TIME (which is PMT) carbon whatever is a practical candidate for tank armor it will ALREADY BE OBSOLETE.

[Estainia]

Ease of production or age do not equal obsolescence.

[Helghast empire]

the NHE (Neo Helghast empire) assault artillery (not as protected as modern main battle tanks, but the cannon packs a punch), call it a tank destroyer or not, i'm calling it a tank



o dear i didn't know an argument was going on lol i jumped in randomly

[Wikipedia and Universe]

Well, so-called "carbon wank" could in theory be produced given sufficient resources (like lolhuge carbon deposits) and assuming more intensive research in your nation has been done, and you have a good economy. However, making massive hulks of carbon composites would be less feasible and less likely (especially in MT) than using it as a thin layer in some form of advanced Chobham. It really is going to come down to your armor protection strategies, placement, and concept. It's so funny that carbonwank and the like have come up in recent pages because over the past couple days I have been intensively wikiwalking researching superhard and superstrong materials. As Lyras himself once stated, "anyone who makes something [in this case a tank] out of 100% anything needs to get their head examined. I would suggest if you want to pursue this, use armor "dilution" by making compounds as well as using other materials such as Boron Nitride or similar Boron wank, but if you wish to drop "wank" out of it don't take it too far. Use a good balance of materials and analyze how to take advantage of how potential threats work. It is always helpful to have at least rudimentary knowledge of the science behind things. What my nation (BTW MT) does is use a mix of materials in composite armor, and the latest roll-outs and backfits use some degree of buckymesh and boron with miracle ceramics, metals, etc. A lot of the superstrong material is derived from "anciniform spidersilk" sampled from one of a batch of LY224s we bought a bit ago. One weird thing about Wikipedian Abrams tanks is that while the vast majority of them fit a homogenized improved standard, little patches consisting of small handfuls of tanks which have small differences in armor makeup, basically as fully operational field experiments. One odd example is a batch of about 6 Abrams known as "the diamond series" which, as you may tell from the name, have thin layers of semi-raw diamond sandwiched between the plates of boron carbide in the composite armor. While maintenance costs are largely similar, this of course jacked up the price tag, explaining why only 6 were produced. Tests of this armor have thus far proved inconclusive. Keep in mind Wikipedia and Universe is an extremely huge nation by area and we have large sources of carbon, but we use it wisely. We even envisioned diamond strips to protect helicopter rotors from sand erosion in sandy environments, though this was deemed too costly and instead opted with the cheaper silicon carbide rotor strips which are removable and applied to helicopters being deployed to dusty or sandy terrain, to keep shit like this from happening.

[Helghast empire]

um....chill plz? its a tank post not a argument post lol

[Estainia]

There's nothing wrong with a debate pertaining to the topic so I was under the impression of considering it's been going on for a very long time now.

[Helghast empire]

true but you people get veryyyyy in to it lol

[Estainia]

Eh, not this person. Indeed I tend to prefer to avoid this thread now days...

[L3 Communications]

That's WAY over-simplifying the issue. Also, you don't want LRPs reacting to armour the same way HEAT rounds do, because varying densities of materials and spacing in modern armour makes it harder for HEAT to penetrate.

No it's not. Against monolithic armor HEAT penetration is determined by the density of the penetrator, the density of the target and the length of the penetrator. Various mechanisms exist by which a shaped charge jet can be disrupted but these are not really relevant to carbon whatever. IF a LRP was accelerated to velocities sufficient to penetrate like a shaped charge it would still retain the advantage of being physically much stronger than a shaped charge jet, no different than a regular LRP. In other words all the strengths, none of the weaknesses.

I will say right here though that achieving velocities like that is not practical with normal guns, rockets or even ETC. It is primarily the domain of EM guns which like carbon wank is PMT. Which was my point to begin with, BY THE TIME (which is PMT) carbon whatever is a practical candidate for tank armor it will ALREADY BE OBSOLETE.

I've always thought hydrodynamic penetration would result in mushrooming and deformation of the LRP's head, resulting in less penetration of armour.

[Lizardiar]

the NHE (Neo Helghast empire) assault artillery (not as protected as modern main battle tanks, but the cannon packs a punch), call it a tank destroyer or not, i'm calling it a tank



o dear i didn't know an argument was going on lol i jumped in randomly

Meh...I think it begs to argue...While an assault gun, it was mass produced and did, in fact, destroy a great many tanks. While I personally wouldn't use it...a MBT of the same tech area would match it. So no screaming at you for now...

[Satirius]

the NHE (Neo Helghast empire) assault artillery (not as protected as modern main battle tanks, but the cannon packs a punch), call it a tank destroyer or not, i'm calling it a tank



o dear i didn't know an argument was going on lol i jumped in randomly

use S-tank

[L3 Communications]

the NHE (Neo Helghast empire) assault artillery (not as protected as modern main battle tanks, but the cannon packs a punch), call it a tank destroyer or not, i'm calling it a tank



o dear i didn't know an argument was going on lol i jumped in randomly

use S-tank

no

use V-T tank with LAHAT and 105mm guns

[Dostanuot Loj]

Kyiv is right, this discussion is lulzy, so on and so forth.

Also, graphene/nanotubes stuff is not useful in armour. Diamonds are more useful (Aka, not) in this situation. You can't beat DU or Tungsten.

[Helghast empire]

use S-tank

no

use V-T tank with LAHAT and 105mm guns

i saw the tank it looks awesome ill use it now XD

[Germonica]

GER7000:

[The Corparation]

Kyiv is right, this discussion is lulzy, so on and so forth.

Also, graphene/nanotubes stuff is not useful in armour. Diamonds are more useful (Aka, not) in this situation. You can't beat DU or Tungsten.

Buckypaper is stronger then Tungsten. Which is good. A combination of Tungsten ,Creamics and Buckypaper would be best.

[Greater-Prussia]

GER7000:

WW2 Mammoth Tank?

[Noblelot]

We are a futuristic nation, behold one of our many battle tanks, the Austrewch V85:

[The Corparation]

GER7000:

Too big. Only need one main guin.

[Dostanuot Loj]

Kyiv is right, this discussion is lulzy, so on and so forth.

Also, graphene/nanotubes stuff is not useful in armour. Diamonds are more useful (Aka, not) in this situation. You can't beat DU or Tungsten.

Buckypaper is stronger then Tungsten. Which is good. A combination of Tungsten ,Creamics and Buckypaper would be best.

As Morbo would say...

Armour does not work that way!