Your Nation's Main Battle Tank (No Mechs) [Part 1]

[Greater-Prussia]

The question with him is declassified factors. >_>; All the same get all of the advice he's willing to give.

[Dostanuot Loj]

US tank divisions are about 350 tanks. It really depends on the sub-units and stuff like that. A 500 tank division is possible in MT, not likely, but possible. There are a lot of factors though.

Do you mid giving me some factors?, anything that I might need to know?

What's the basic unit making the division up, brigades, battalions, regiments? What's the tank/infantry mix? Are there other units in the mix, like air assets? How is artillery included? What is the overall role of the division, penetration, exploitation, balanced? How mobile is it, overall rapid, open country, or is it intended to keep near a friendly base of ops? Do you mix tanks per division, or single-type (I presume the latter from your post)? What's the maintenance/supply needs of the tanks and other AFVs (I know this for Lyras stuff)? What readiness level do you insist on having, or how low a readiness level will you accept? Do you have an all professional, mixed professional/training, or professional core with reservists making up the bulk of personnel?

Lots of stuff to consider, and I have not even gotten started. The easy way is to just literally copy an RL set up, but that takes away creativity.

[Rusikstan]

The question with him is declassified factors. >_>; All the same get all of the advice he's willing to give.

Yes b/c one day sumer is just going to clam-up and we won't know how to do anything.

What's the basic unit making the division up, brigades, battalions, regiments? What's the tank/infantry mix? Are there other units in the mix, like air assets? How is artillery included? What is the overall role of the division, penetration, exploitation, balanced? How mobile is it, overall rapid, open country, or is it intended to keep near a friendly base of ops? Do you mix tanks per division, or single-type (I presume the latter from your post)? What's the maintenance/supply needs of the tanks and other AFVs (I know this for Lyras stuff)? What readiness level do you insist on having, or how low a readiness level will you accept? Do you have an all professional, mixed professional/training, or professional core with reservists making up the bulk of personnel?

Lots of stuff to consider, and I have not even gotten started. The easy way is to just literally copy an RL set up, but that takes away creativity.

He said some factors, not "espold my brain"

[United NW Canada]

A steel Predator from the frozen North to rend you enemies with its lethal “claws” day or night, good weather or bad, the Snow Leopard C2A7 will annihilate its prey!



Snow Leopard C-2A7

Unit cost US $5,500,000

Specifications
Weight 62.3 tonnes
Length 9.97 m (393 in) (gun forward)
Width 3.75 m (148 in)
Height 3.0 m (120 in)
Crew 4

Armor 3rd Generation composite; including high-hardness steel, tungsten and plastic filler with ceramic component.
-Arena Active Protection System
-Hardened systems for protection against Electromagnetic based attacks.

Primary armament 1 x 120 mm Rheinmetall L55, capable of firing LAHAT ATGM and STAM rounds
42 rounds (mix of conventional, STAM, and LAHAT ATGW)

Secondary armament 1x 12.7mm heavy machine gun in a Protector Remote weapon station
1x 12.7mm heavy machine gun coaxial mount
1x 7.62mm machine gun on loaders hatch"
4,750 rounds of 12.7mm
4,750 rounds of 7.62mm

Engine MTU MB 873 Ka-501 liquid-cooled V-12 Twin-turbo diesel engine
1,500 PS (1,479 hp, 1,103 kW) at 2600 rpm
Power/weight 24.1 PS/t (17.7 kW/t)
Transmission Renk HSWL 354
Suspension Torsion-bar suspension

Fuel capacity 1,200 liters
Operational range 550 km (340 mi) (internal fuel)
Speed 72 km/h (45 mph)

[The City State Rhydin]

Are current fielding of main battle tanks is the following:
Main Providers of Military Hardware:
Lyran Arms
OAS Inc

[1440] LY4A1 Wolfhound MBT
[130] LY7 Rottweiler MBT
[880] Black Jack MBT

[United States of PA]

good sir there is no lulz in using Leo II with LAHAT

make pepperbox 152mm so rocket ignites in the barrel and SHOOTS LOL FLAMES out the front like that one german naval gun tank thing i forgot what it was called sturmtiger or w/e

do that

with coaxial 15mm HMG, collapsible RWS that pops out of the hull with 20mm cannon, and 40mm AGL for loader RWS

For a little enlightenment, i am actually working on a tank with a 155mm L46 main gun.

Its a tank gun, with GLATGMs to go with it. Really, that is all you need. Low Velocity 152mm guns are shitall for anything beyond a short range and not involving rockets or HE.

For some reason when i read Pepperbox i read "Canister Shot".

Have got to make a lulzly 155mm Canister shot now lol.

Said tank i am working on is also going to have like, a 35mm Rook Mounted Compact Chaingun, for the lulz.

[Satirius]

I just realized my Type 1255 fits in roughly the same envelope as a BK-27

you know what this means

[L3 Communications]

good sir there is no lulz in using Leo II with LAHAT

make pepperbox 152mm so rocket ignites in the barrel and SHOOTS LOL FLAMES out the front like that one german naval gun tank thing i forgot what it was called sturmtiger or w/e

do that

with coaxial 15mm HMG, collapsible RWS that pops out of the hull with 20mm cannon, and 40mm AGL for loader RWS

For a little enlightenment, i am actually working on a tank with a 155mm L46 main gun.

Its a tank gun, with GLATGMs to go with it. Really, that is all you need. Low Velocity 152mm guns are shitall for anything beyond a short range and not involving rockets or HE.

For some reason when i read Pepperbox i read "Canister Shot".

Have got to make a lulzly 155mm Canister shot now lol.

Said tank i am working on is also going to have like, a 35mm Rook Mounted Compact Chaingun, for the lulz.

give it laser-based APS that can fry missile electronics, blind enemy personnel, and reorient the turret towards a laser/radiation source for quick engagement of hostile armour and missile threats.

do it

also, ty for agreeing with lulzy 152mm short being bad idea

[Anemos Major]

Gentlemen.

140mm L/55 ETC Smoothbore fired LAHAT for epic win.

[Star Trek America]

Gentlemen.

140mm L/55 ETC Smoothbore fired LAHAT for epic win.

-Praise; worship.-

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Gentlemen.

140mm L/55 ETC Smoothbore fired LAHAT for epic win.

Breaks the 7 meter rule, can't fire accurately on the move.

[Star Trek America]

Gentlemen.

140mm L/55 ETC Smoothbore fired LAHAT for epic win.

Breaks the 7 meter rule, can't fire accurately on the move.

Seven meter rule? To be honest if Sumer didn't say it first I don't take you for your word. And no cannon can fire accurately on the move.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Breaks the 7 meter rule, can't fire accurately on the move.

Seven meter rule? To be honest if Sumer didn't say it first I don't take you for your word. And no cannon can fire accurately on the move.

First part, it may have been Sumer who told me that, or PA, will have to look it up. For the bolded part, all modern tanks, and tanks as far back as the Sherman can fire accurately on the move.

Edit: It was Lyras on my first NSD posted design.

You, generally, want to stay within 7m barrel lengths, otherwise muzzle droop and vibrations play silly buggers with your weapon's zero.

[L3 Communications]

Gentlemen.

140mm L/55 ETC Smoothbore fired LAHAT for epic win.

huge barrel is huge

flexes and warps because its not stiff enough and would have to big ridiculously thick to stabilise

use L/44

it's enough

[Star Trek America]

Seven meter rule? To be honest if Sumer didn't say it first I don't take you for your word. And no cannon can fire accurately on the move.

First part, it may have been Sumer who told me that, or PA, will have to look it up. For the bolded part, all modern tanks, and tanks as far back as the Sherman can fire accurately on the move.

Edit: It was Lyras on my first NSD posted design.

You, generally, want to stay within 7m barrel lengths, otherwise muzzle droop and vibrations play silly buggers with your weapon's zero.

The Sherman? Epic giggles. The Sherman couldn't fire accurately standing still much less whilist on the move. Noted to the 7m thing though.

[Anemos Major]

http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/inde ... ng=3&pdb=1

140mm round is heavy, need extra barrel length for accurate fire.

[L3 Communications]

http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/index.php?fid=1449&lang=3&pdb=1

140mm round is heavy, need extra barrel length for accurate fire.

6.16 meters is enough i thinks

use rifling for extra accuracy, not more barrel length.

stabilisation is more important than velocity for accuracy, but L44 is like L55 for 140mm

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

First part, it may have been Sumer who told me that, or PA, will have to look it up. For the bolded part, all modern tanks, and tanks as far back as the Sherman can fire accurately on the move.

Edit: It was Lyras on my first NSD posted design.

The Sherman? Epic giggles. The Sherman couldn't fire accurately standing still much less whilist on the move. Noted to the 7m thing though.

It retained much of the previous mechanical design, but added the first American main 75 mm gun mounted on a fully traversing turret, with a gyrostabilizer enabling the crew to fire with reasonable accuracy while the tank was on the move.[4]

From the second paragraph on the Sherman.

[Star Trek America]

The Sherman? Epic giggles. The Sherman couldn't fire accurately standing still much less whilist on the move. Noted to the 7m thing though.

It retained much of the previous mechanical design, but added the first American main 75 mm gun mounted on a fully traversing turret, with a gyrostabilizer enabling the crew to fire with reasonable accuracy while the tank was on the move.[4]

From the second paragraph on the Sherman.

Why do people quote the most unreliable source of information in the history of man kind since the conception of word of mouth?

[Satirius]

From the second paragraph on the Sherman.

Why do people quote the most unreliable source of information in the history of man kind since the conception of word of mouth?

cool hyperbole bro

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

From the second paragraph on the Sherman.

Why do people quote the most unreliable source of information in the history of man kind since the conception of word of mouth?

Notice the [4] at the end. You can click on it on Wikipedia and it will show you a source. In this case it is

^ Zaloga, Stephen J. Panther Vs Sherman: Battle of the Bulge 1944. Osprey Publishing, 2008, p. 28.

Now how reliable a source do you consider it? Also, Wikipedia is a very reliable source, not something you should use for a paper, but more reliable than your regular website about random military crap.

[Star Trek America]

Why do people quote the most unreliable source of information in the history of man kind since the conception of word of mouth?

Notice the [4] at the end. You can click on it on Wikipedia and it will show you a source. In this case it is

^ Zaloga, Stephen J. Panther Vs Sherman: Battle of the Bulge 1944. Osprey Publishing, 2008, p. 28.

Now how reliable a source do you consider it? Also, Wikipedia is a very reliable source, not something you should use for a paper, but more reliable than your regular website about random military crap.

I've found BLOGS more accurate than Wikipedia. Source noted though; first comment retracted and apologies given for being wrong.

[L3 Communications]

Notice the [4] at the end. You can click on it on Wikipedia and it will show you a source. In this case it is

^ Zaloga, Stephen J. Panther Vs Sherman: Battle of the Bulge 1944. Osprey Publishing, 2008, p. 28.

Now how reliable a source do you consider it? Also, Wikipedia is a very reliable source, not something you should use for a paper, but more reliable than your regular website about random military crap.

I've found BLOGS more accurate than Wikipedia. Source noted though; first comment retracted and apologies given for being wrong.

Cool.

I'd like to see it backed up, since Wikipedia has about the same amount of errors as any other encyclopedia per page.

[Minnysota]

From the second paragraph on the Sherman.

Why do people quote the most unreliable source of information in the history of man kind since the conception of word of mouth?

Wikipedia can actually be a reliable source, if you verify the information with the references given at the bottom. I have found that if you verify the information from the links provided, I have gained much more trust in Wikipedia. My 8th grade teacher even allowed us to use Wikipedia if we proved that the information they gave was correct. Frankly, I didn't use Wikipedia for the research paper but I did find that the sources it had were very accurate.

[United States of PA]

http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/index.php?fid=1449&lang=3&pdb=1

140mm round is heavy, need extra barrel length for accurate fire.

Go L50 Extended Range Full Bore.

All the Muzzle Velocity Goodness of Smoothbore, with the accuracy of a Rifled Gun.

I've found BLOGS more accurate than Wikipedia. Source noted though; first comment retracted and apologies given for being wrong.

Wikipedia can actually be very damned accurate, so long as you pay attention to the sources.

6.16 meters is enough i thinks

Meh, i would have to beg to differ with you there. L44 just isnt my style, especially for 140mm. 7m gives you all the goodness of accuracy and MV. Thats L50. That extra meter can do wonders as far as penetration and range go.

L55 for a 140mm is long however. At that length, the barrel will be flopping around like a Hooters Waitresses jugs, and your accuracy will go shitall even at low speeds.