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Postby Satirius » Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:28 pm

It's a mine-clearing flail ffs

Seriously this bayonet fad is really unfunny now
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Postby The Corparation » Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:38 pm

Satirius wrote:It's a mine-clearing flail ffs

Seriously this bayonet fad is really unfunny now

I know what there for. And yes it is thats why I did it.
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:44 pm

Satirius wrote:It's a mine-clearing flail ffs

Seriously this bayonet fad is really unfunny now

It was funny at some point?
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Postby Licana » Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:46 pm

Satirius wrote:It's a mine-clearing flail ffs

Seriously this bayonet fad is really unfunny now

Bayonet fad needs moar bayonet.
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Satirius wrote:No.

Fine one of these then:*snip* If I can't stab my opponent I can at least lacerate them.


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Some people don't get sarcasm.
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Postby L3 Communications » Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:54 pm

Altamirus wrote:
The Corparation wrote:Fine one of these then:Image If I can't stab my opponent I can at least lacerate them.

Awesome. It's a scary pshycological weapon that actually has a non emergency practical use. You need to have the ends of each chain have a battle axe head or a weight.


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Postby Satirius » Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:57 pm

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New bajireyn wrote:the colony of new bajireyn uses the LY7 we also have reserve stocks of the M7A2.
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I like the tank, doesn't Lyras make it?

It's an early LY4 mark(featuring the trademark tracks), cba to tell between baseline and A1

Could be type designation fwiw
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Satirius wrote:-snip-
It's an early LY4 mark(featuring the trademark tracks), cba to tell between baseline and A1

Could be type designation fwiw

I forget, is this the one that is able to destroy the MCA-7, or was it something else? I remember somebody telling me a Lyran tank is able to kill an MCA-7 singlehandedly. I don't remember who or which one though...

I do know a good MCA killer is a whole swarm of cluster munition armed cruise missiles :twisted:
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Postby Satirius » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:13 pm

Banjamos wrote:
Satirius wrote:-snip-
It's an early LY4 mark(featuring the trademark tracks), cba to tell between baseline and A1

Could be type designation fwiw

I forget, is this the one that is able to destroy the MCA-7, or was it something else? I remember somebody telling me a Lyran tank is able to kill an MCA-7 singlehandedly. I don't remember who or which one though...

I do know a good MCA killer is a whole swarm of cluster munition armed cruise missiles :twisted:

If by killing you mean through the glacis plate a LY9 is the closest to the MCA-7

However RL top-attack ATGMs(LAHAT, Javelin, probably Ingwe) have ~800mm RHAe penetration, more than enough to punch through the roof of one. There's really no reason why you shouldn't replace APFSDS with GLATGM for your AT needs on NS.
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Postby L3 Communications » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:14 pm

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Banjamos wrote:I forget, is this the one that is able to destroy the MCA-7, or was it something else? I remember somebody telling me a Lyran tank is able to kill an MCA-7 singlehandedly. I don't remember who or which one though...

I do know a good MCA killer is a whole swarm of cluster munition armed cruise missiles :twisted:

If by killing you mean through the glacis plate a LY9 is the closest to the MCA-7

However RL top-attack ATGMs(LAHAT, Javelin, probably Ingwe) have ~800mm RHAe penetration, more than enough to punch through the roof of one. There's really no reason why you shouldn't replace APFSDS with GLATGM for your AT needs on NS.


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Postby Banjamos » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:17 pm

Satirius wrote:
Banjamos wrote:I forget, is this the one that is able to destroy the MCA-7, or was it something else? I remember somebody telling me a Lyran tank is able to kill an MCA-7 singlehandedly. I don't remember who or which one though...

I do know a good MCA killer is a whole swarm of cluster munition armed cruise missiles :twisted:

If by killing you mean through the glacis plate a LY9 is the closest to the MCA-7

However RL top-attack ATGMs(LAHAT, Javelin, probably Ingwe) have ~800mm RHAe penetration, more than enough to punch through the roof of one. There's really no reason why you shouldn't replace APFSDS with GLATGM for your AT needs on NS.

But why use an easy weapon such as the Javelin when you can attempt with 2000 tanks?


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It took me about two divisions of Guards Armor Units (5,000 tanks apiece) to break a single MCA-7 line (about 500). Tells you how sad the T-90 is when it faces off against that horrible monstrosity.
It's just easier to use ATGMs, but who uses those?(moar /noobspeak)
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:21 pm

Banjamos wrote:
Satirius wrote:If by killing you mean through the glacis plate a LY9 is the closest to the MCA-7

However RL top-attack ATGMs(LAHAT, Javelin, probably Ingwe) have ~800mm RHAe penetration, more than enough to punch through the roof of one. There's really no reason why you shouldn't replace APFSDS with GLATGM for your AT needs on NS.

But why use an easy weapon such as the Javelin when you can attempt with 2000 tanks?


/noobspeak

It took me about two divisions of Guards Armor Units (5,000 tanks apiece) to break a single MCA-7 line (about 500). Tells you how sad the T-90 is when it faces off against that horrible monstrosity.
It's just easier to use ATGMs, but who uses those?(moar /noobspeak)

I think you may just be incompetent. Even with sheer numbers you should have won, you probably had more tanks than they had AT rounds.
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Postby Banjamos » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:27 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:-snippity snip-
I think you may just be incompetent. Even with sheer numbers you should have won, you probably had more tanks than they had AT rounds.

Sadly enough, no. The MCA-7 is designed to rape the RL tanks that frequent NS. The damned thing has pretty heavy armor, and if used right, pose a serious threat. The MCAs were dug into defensive positions, and they were supported by a large amount of ATGM launching IFVs. The only thing that worked was barrage of Cruise missiles (equipped with Cluster Munitions)
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Postby Sakha and Crotava » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:30 pm

Currently our Main Battle Tank is the SC-78, a derivative of the Type 74 Nana-yon. Deviations are due to the changing times, however we do still maintain a fair amount of SC-74s which are a direct model of the Type 74.

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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:32 pm

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The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:-snippity snip-
I think you may just be incompetent. Even with sheer numbers you should have won, you probably had more tanks than they had AT rounds.

Sadly enough, no. The MCA-7 is designed to rape the RL tanks that frequent NS. The damned thing has pretty heavy armor, and if used right, pose a serious threat. The MCAs were dug into defensive positions, and they were supported by a large amount of ATGM launching IFVs. The only thing that worked was barrage of Cruise missiles (equipped with Cluster Munitions)

Than the question has to be asked, why did you attack them? You probably should have used aircraft and cruise missiles from the start rather than attack a dug in enemy force of superior tanks with ATGM support. Also what terrain was this on, because the MCA-7E is designed for Sumer's country eg. hard flat plains, and if the ground was not made of dried sand or dirt the tanks would probably sink.
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Postby Sakha and Crotava » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:34 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Than the question has to be asked, why did you attack them? You probably should have used aircraft and cruise missiles from the start rather than attack a dug in enemy force of superior tanks with ATGM support. Also what terrain was this on, because the MCA-7E is designed for Sumer's country eg. hard flat plains, and if the ground was not made of dried sand or dirt the tanks would probably sink.


That's why they were in a defensive position they did just that, they sunk.
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Postby Banjamos » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:37 pm

Sakha and Crotava wrote:Currently our Main Battle Tank is the SC-78, a derivative of the Type 74 Nana-yon

The 7-4? You mean Nana-Juu-Yon (74 in Japanese)



The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Than the question has to be asked, why did you attack them? You probably should have used aircraft and cruise missiles from the start rather than attack a dug in enemy force of superior tanks with ATGM support. Also what terrain was this on, because the MCA-7E is designed for Sumer's country eg. hard flat plains, and if the ground was not made of dried sand or dirt the tanks would probably sink.

Because they were able to dig in while the IFVs were getting in the way of my T-90s' 120mm guns. They served quite well as launchers for ATGMs, which distracted me some. I also had some air support, but an enemy fighter element began engaging, and the air support was not able to attack the MCAs. I also had Cruise missile support, but that arrived later than expected, seeing as my navy was also engaging an enemy force. Eventually, I just decided to break off some 50 or so missile cruisers and launch a whole swarm of missiles.


It was the plains just outside of the Gibetan Hamburg.

Basic Situation:
They got dug in the hour it took for my T-90s to demolish their IFVs. I did manage to do a full T-90 charge and point-blank barrage of 120mm fire though, which the other guy just BSed by claiming the superiority of the MCA. So I just finished if off with a whole swarm of the missles
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Sakha and Crotava wrote:Currently our Main Battle Tank is the SC-78, a derivative of the Type 74 Nana-yon./quote]
The 7-4? You mean Nana-Juu-Yon (74 in Japanese)


Because they were able to dig in while the IFVs were getting in the way of my T-90s' 120mm guns. They served quite well as launchers for ATGMs, which distracted me some. I also had some air support, but an enemy fighter element began engaging, and the air support was not able to attack the MCAs. I also had Cruise missile support, but that arrived later than expected, seeing as my navy was also engaging an enemy force. Eventually, I just decided to break off some 50 or so missile cruisers and launch a whole swarm of missiles.


It was the plains just outside of the Gibetan Hamburg.

Basic Situation:
They got dug in the hour it took for my T-90s to demolish their IFVs. I did manage to do a full T-90 charge and point-blank barrage of 120mm fire though, which the other guy just BSed by claiming the superiority of the MCA. So I just finished if off with a whole swarm of the missles

Sounds good enough. Who were you facing, the only other person I know that uses MCA-7Es besides Sumer and I (I am replacing it with a lighter tank) is Tarsas.
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Sounds good enough. Who were you facing, the only other person I know that uses MCA-7Es besides Sumer and I (I am replacing it with a lighter tank) is Tarsas.

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The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:-snip-
Sounds good enough. Who were you facing, the only other person I know that uses MCA-7Es besides Sumer and I (I am replacing it with a lighter tank) is Tarsas.

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Oh. Why do so many people use the MCA-7E? I just used it because I wanted a rather heavy NS tank with a 140mm gun, and the only one I could find that anyone would sell to me is Yanitaria's 40 or 50 ton tank, which is too light for me.
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Banjamos wrote:They got dug in the hour it took for my T-90s to demolish their IFVs. I did manage to do a full T-90 charge and point-blank barrage of 120mm fire though, which the other guy just BSed by claiming the superiority of the MCA. So I just finished if off with a whole swarm of the missles


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Banjamos wrote:They got dug in the hour it took for my T-90s to demolish their IFVs. I did manage to do a full T-90 charge and point-blank barrage of 120mm fire though, which the other guy just BSed by claiming the superiority of the MCA. So I just finished if off with a whole swarm of the missles


T-90 has a 125mm gun, and that sounds like godmodding. |:

MCA-7E has tons of armour, and can probably defeat fire from its own main gun along the front. Granted the sheer volume of fire probably should have lead to lucky kills.
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Postby L3 Communications » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:52 pm

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The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Oh. Why do so many people use the MCA-7E? I just used it because I wanted a rather heavy NS tank with a 140mm gun, and the only one I could find that anyone would sell to me is Yanitaria's 40 or 50 ton tank, which is too light for me.

Same reason why so many people use the R2, prestige and stats.


Because they think having a giant ass tank with huge super thick armour will compensate for their lack of ability.

Right, or did they choose it based on their nation's terrain and armoured doctrine? I chose the LY7 as my principal tank due to it's modularity, and because my nation is likely to operate in all sorts of terrain from jungles to desert to plains. Given that my sovereign territory is a group of three islands barely averaging 25 km in length, I really can't claim it for being used in home defence since almost all that would be urban (thus BMPT). So I really had to choose a tank that would operate pretty good with spare parts on hand from multiple tanks, including spare barrels and multiple stocks of ammunition (mostly NATO and M256 barrels since I used the M1A2 Abrams before I switched over to the LY7).

According to this, and since the LY7 is lolzymodular, I chose it due to it's interoperability with 120mm NATO stocks, it would easier to train M1A2-trained crews to operate the LY7 than the LY4, and because it was really closer to the Abrams in tonnage which meant it wouldn't sink as much as the LY4. I also can't really be toting around a giant ass lolheavy tank that only functions properly on lolflat plains like Europe and Saharan Africa. Also, it works with the Honeywell AGT-1500 cuz it's lolmodular. Saves money on training new mechanics until I run out of spare parts for my Abrams.

Since divisors such as "light", "medium", and "heavy" tanks are really doctrinal, I guess I would call the LY4A1 a "heavy" tank, the LY7 a "main battle/medium tank", and the MCA-7 would be somewhere like "superheavy".

That bigass 100 tonne+ monstrosity Sumer made a while ago would be somewhere between ""superheavy" and "corvette".

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MCA-7E has tons of armour, and can probably defeat fire from its own main gun along the front. Granted the sheer volume of fire probably should have lead to lucky kills.


Sumer said somewhere that his MCA-7 doesn't have as much armour as he stated, and he needs to redo the RHAe figures.
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Altamirus wrote:Same reason why so many people use the R2, prestige and stats.


Because they think having a giant ass tank with huge super thick armour will compensate for their lack of ability.

Right, or did they choose it based on their nation's terrain and armoured doctrine? I chose the LY7 as my principal tank due to it's modularity, and because my nation is likely to operate in all sorts of terrain from jungles to desert to plains. Given that my sovereign territory is a group of three islands barely averaging 25 km in length, I really can't claim it for being used in home defence since almost all that would be urban (thus BMPT). I also can't really be toting around a giant ass lolheavy tank that only functions properly on lolflat plains like Europe and Saharan Africa.

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:MCA-7E has tons of armour, and can probably defeat fire from its own main gun along the front. Granted the sheer volume of fire probably should have lead to lucky kills.


Sumer said somewhere that his MCA-7 doesn't have as much armour as he stated, and he needs to redo the RHAe figures.

Still, it probably has enough to defeat APFSDS from a regular 125mm gun, it weighs 86 tons and is designed for tank on tank combat.
IC Nation Name: The Glorious Empire of Luthoria
Monarch: Emperor Siegfried XVI

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