NS infantry discussion thread. Mark II

[Spreewerke]

There's probably a reason it's an ex-sniper.

For a deactivated, wall-hanger model such as what Ford is looking for, all that will really matter is whether the numbers all match, whether or not the stock is a refurb. or war-time original, and what condition said stock is in (ditto for the metal). Izhmash vs. Tula depends entirely on his preference in arsenal/logo.

Pardon me for being dense, but who the hell cares if it has matching numbers or what arsenal marks it has if its going to be non-firing and hanging on the wall? All it needs to do, as Spree said in his post, is look pretty.

For a collective piece, all-matching is generally preferred ("this is the rifle and all its original parts!") and manufacturer is basically personal preference (such as my Izhevsk/Izhmash collection). What Ford should basically be focused on is physical appearance of the stock and metal, to be honest. Bore condition means nothing when it's welded closed.

Even for a shootable Mosin, all you really need to watch for are bore condition and whether or not the bolt/barrel SNs match (to avoid headspacing issues). Anything else is buyers' preference.

[Transnapastain]

Pardon me for being dense, but who the hell cares if it has matching numbers or what arsenal marks it has if its going to be non-firing and hanging on the wall? All it needs to do, as Spree said in his post, is look pretty.

For a collective piece, all-matching is generally preferred ("this is the rifle and all its original parts!") and manufacturer is basically personal preference (such as my Izhevsk/Izhmash collection). What Ford should basically be focused on is physical appearance of the stock and metal, to be honest. Bore condition means nothing when it's welded closed.

Even for a shootable Mosin, all you really need to watch for are bore condition and whether or not the bolt/barrel SNs match (to avoid headspacing issues). Anything else is buyers' preference.

Why are you telling me this like I don't know?

He's not a collector. He wants a wall hanging gun to look good. Therefore, it doesn't matter at all if the numbers match. Nagants aren't what you call expensive, so save money where you can. If he wants to start collecting, the cheap one can stand in for a more expensive one he can get at a later time. As I'm sure you know, many people have cheap guns as "stand ins" in their prized collections.

What Ford should basically be focused on is physical appearance of the stock and metal, to be honest. Bore condition means nothing when it's welded closed.

So...exactly what I said. It's a wall hanger, it just has to look pretty.

[Oaledonia]

So I'm giving my tank crews a LAW or the sorts for inside the tank. Any recommendations for an even better NATO anti tank missile I can stow in an incredibly small space?

[Spreewerke]

For a collective piece, all-matching is generally preferred ("this is the rifle and all its original parts!") and manufacturer is basically personal preference (such as my Izhevsk/Izhmash collection). What Ford should basically be focused on is physical appearance of the stock and metal, to be honest. Bore condition means nothing when it's welded closed.

Even for a shootable Mosin, all you really need to watch for are bore condition and whether or not the bolt/barrel SNs match (to avoid headspacing issues). Anything else is buyers' preference.

Why are you telling me this like I don't know?

He's not a collector. He wants a wall hanging gun to look good. Therefore, it doesn't matter at all if the numbers match. Nagants aren't what you call expensive, so save money where you can. If he wants to start collecting, the cheap one can stand in for a more expensive one he can get at a later time. As I'm sure you know, many people have cheap guns as "stand ins" in their prized collections.

What Ford should basically be focused on is physical appearance of the stock and metal, to be honest. Bore condition means nothing when it's welded closed.

So...exactly what I said. It's a wall hanger, it just has to look pretty.

I think you know why I'm repeating some information here.

[Transnapastain]

Why are you telling me this like I don't know?

He's not a collector. He wants a wall hanging gun to look good. Therefore, it doesn't matter at all if the numbers match. Nagants aren't what you call expensive, so save money where you can. If he wants to start collecting, the cheap one can stand in for a more expensive one he can get at a later time. As I'm sure you know, many people have cheap guns as "stand ins" in their prized collections.



So...exactly what I said. It's a wall hanger, it just has to look pretty.

I think you know why I'm repeating some information here.

Touche, sir, touche.

[Oaledonia]

Another follow up: what's the smallest AA or MANPADs missile?

[Vigoureux]

what would be one of the more coast effective rifle for a small separatist militia group to use chambered in 7.62×51mm NATO? My guess would be the G3 and its variants but I would like a second opinion.

[Graditora]

what would be one of the more coast effective rifle for a small separatist militia group to use chambered in 7.62×51mm NATO? My guess would be the G3 and its variants but I would like a second opinion.

FN FAL.

[Transnapastain]

So I'm giving my tank crews a LAW or the sorts for inside the tank. Any recommendations for an even better NATO anti tank missile I can stow in an incredibly small space?

No, not that I can think of. M72 is about as small as it gets and I'm pretty convinced this is about a useless idea. The M72 isn't going to let them do much of anything to another tank if they have to bail out, mobility kill, maybe a kill on a lighter vehicle.

I'm still looking for a souce, but I'm pretty sure that, at least with the M1, if the crew evem ave M4's, they're stored outside in box, and carry pistols. Is kinda cramped in the turret of a tank iirc, and while a LAW is small, and could probably get shoe-horned in there somewhere, it's probably going to be on the outside.

When the crew of a disabled vehicle has to bail out, they're supposed to run, not fight. According to anecdotes, tankers in WW2 were issued weapons with 1 or 2 magazines and told that ammo was to "let them fight while they run away and look for real soldiers to save them." Not meant as a disrespect to tankers, but they just aren't expected to fall in with the infantry. While I know that's not what you were intending, I really don't think giving them a LAW is going to do much for them.

You could say "Better to have it and not need it" but then I could give you a whole list of shit they should be carrying.

As to MANPADS....

--Data pulled cause I copied the launcher, not the missile, stats. My bad--

[Vigoureux]

what would be one of the more coast effective rifle for a small separatist militia group to use chambered in 7.62×51mm NATO? My guess would be the G3 and its variants but I would like a second opinion.

FN FAL.

hm I was under the impression the G3 was cheaper then the FAL. that's also a nice little surprise seeing as the FN FAL is my nation main combat weapon although it has the addition of a picitanny rail and some modifications to make it somewhat lighter.

[Spreewerke]

FN FAL.

hm I was under the impression the G3 was cheaper then the FAL. that's also a nice little surprise seeing as the FN FAL is my nation main combat weapon although it has the addition of a picitanny rail and some modifications to make it somewhat lighter.

If you're adding an extensive amount of rails, you aren't going to be saving much weight, I can tell you that right now.

[Oaledonia]

So I'm giving my tank crews a LAW or the sorts for inside the tank. Any recommendations for an even better NATO anti tank missile I can stow in an incredibly small space?

No, not that I can think of. M72 is about as small as it gets and I'm pretty convinced this is about a useless idea. The M72 isn't going to let them do much of anything to another tank if they have to bail out, mobility kill, maybe a kill on a lighter vehicle.

I'm still looking for a souce, but I'm pretty sure that, at least with the M1, if the crew evem ave M4's, they're stored outside in box, and carry pistols. Is kinda cramped in the turret of a tank iirc, and while a LAW is small, and could probably get shoe-horned in there somewhere, it's probably going to be on the outside.

When the crew of a disabled vehicle has to bail out, they're supposed to run, not fight. According to anecdotes, tankers in WW2 were issued weapons with 1 or 2 magazines and told that ammo was to "let them fight while they run away and look for real soldiers to save them." Not meant as a disrespect to tankers, but they just aren't unexpectedto fall in with the infantry. While I know that's not what you were intending, I really don't think giving them a LAW is going to do much for them.

You could say "Better to have it and not need it" but then I could give you a whole list of shit they should be carrying.

As to MANPADS....

Stinger:
Length 1.52 m
Diameter (2.76 in)

Redeye
Length 1.20 m (3 ft 11.5 in)
Diameter 70 mm (2.75 in)

Blowpipe
Length 1.35 m
Diameter 76 mm

Javelin
Length 1.39 metres (4 ft 7 in)
Diameter 76 millimetres (3 in)

RBS-70
Length 1.32 m
Diameter 106 mm

Igla
Length 1.574 m (5.16 ft)
Diameter 72 mm

Strela
Length 1.44 m
Diameter 72 mm

In addition to the Abrams' already heavy armament, some crews were also issued M136 AT4 shoulder-fired anti-tank weapons under the assumption that they might have to engage heavy armor in tight urban areas where the main gun couldn't be brought to bear.

^ why I asked.

As for the MANPADS, I had this crazy ass idea that I could make a 60mm grenade launcher version of a semi guided munition

[Premislyd]

Name: AV-75 (75 Aвтомат Bинтов, Avtomat Vintov 75; Automatic Rifle 75)
Origin: Democratic Irkutia
Designer: Aytuna Irmak
Manufacturer: Inner Irkutia Arms Factory No. 0817
Produced: 1975-Present
In service: 1975-Present
Cost: $225
Weight: 3.87 kg
Length: 943 mm
Barrel length: 404 mm
Cartridge: TBD (debating 7.62 Czech, 5.45 ComBloc, 6.2x47mm UIC)
Action: Long stroke piston, rotating bolt
Rate of fire: 650 rpm
Effective range: 400 m
Feed system: 20, 30, 45 round detachable box magazine
Sights: Rear sliding tangent, hooded front post

*cue Spreewerke nitpicking*

[Transnapastain]

No, not that I can think of. M72 is about as small as it gets and I'm pretty convinced this is about a useless idea. The M72 isn't going to let them do much of anything to another tank if they have to bail out, mobility kill, maybe a kill on a lighter vehicle.

I'm still looking for a souce, but I'm pretty sure that, at least with the M1, if the crew evem ave M4's, they're stored outside in box, and carry pistols. Is kinda cramped in the turret of a tank iirc, and while a LAW is small, and could probably get shoe-horned in there somewhere, it's probably going to be on the outside.

When the crew of a disabled vehicle has to bail out, they're supposed to run, not fight. According to anecdotes, tankers in WW2 were issued weapons with 1 or 2 magazines and told that ammo was to "let them fight while they run away and look for real soldiers to save them." Not meant as a disrespect to tankers, but they just aren't unexpectedto fall in with the infantry. While I know that's not what you were intending, I really don't think giving them a LAW is going to do much for them.

You could say "Better to have it and not need it" but then I could give you a whole list of shit they should be carrying.

As to MANPADS....

Stinger:
Length 1.52 m
Diameter (2.76 in)

Redeye
Length 1.20 m (3 ft 11.5 in)
Diameter 70 mm (2.75 in)

Blowpipe
Length 1.35 m
Diameter 76 mm

Javelin
Length 1.39 metres (4 ft 7 in)
Diameter 76 millimetres (3 in)

RBS-70
Length 1.32 m
Diameter 106 mm

Igla
Length 1.574 m (5.16 ft)
Diameter 72 mm

Strela
Length 1.44 m
Diameter 72 mm

In addition to the Abrams' already heavy armament, some crews were also issued M136 AT4 shoulder-fired anti-tank weapons under the assumption that they might have to engage heavy armor in tight urban areas where the main gun couldn't be brought to bear.

^ why I asked.

As for the MANPADS, I had this crazy ass idea that I could make a 60mm grenade launcher version of a semi guided munition

and I could very well be wrong in my assessment. If they're given an AT4....stick with the AT4, though, I'm pretty sure it's got significantly better penetration.

As to the MANPADS, ignore my post, I gave you launcher, not missile, data. My mistake.

[Oaledonia]

^ why I asked.

As for the MANPADS, I had this crazy ass idea that I could make a 60mm grenade launcher version of a semi guided munition

and I could very well be wrong in my assessment. If they're given an AT4....stick with the AT4, though, I'm pretty sure it's got significantly better penetration.

As to the MANPADS, ignore my post, I gave you launcher, not missile, data. My mistake.

So :ns: semi guided munition is still possible?

[Transnapastain]

and I could very well be wrong in my assessment. If they're given an AT4....stick with the AT4, though, I'm pretty sure it's got significantly better penetration.

As to the MANPADS, ignore my post, I gave you launcher, not missile, data. My mistake.

So :ns: semi guided munition is still possible?

*Shurg*

I don't know and I don't have time to research it at the moment, sorry to say.

Check out here, or FAS, maybe they have some US missile measurements.

[Rich and Corporations]

and I could very well be wrong in my assessment. If they're given an AT4....stick with the AT4, though, I'm pretty sure it's got significantly better penetration.

As to the MANPADS, ignore my post, I gave you launcher, not missile, data. My mistake.

So :ns: semi guided munition is still possible?

what on earth are you talking about? Don't you mean SACLOS?

[Oaledonia]

So :ns: semi guided munition is still possible?

what on earth are you talking about? Don't you mean SACLOS?

Anything that works

[Aqizithiuda]

I suspect that the later prototypes didn't use the preloaded tubes but went the individual grenade route like the 3GL did. It would make the ammunition just that little bit less awkward to carry around.



I hope you don't put the muzzle velocity much above 70 m/s.

Well, there is a shoulder-fired grenade launcher firing 30x29 VOG-30, I can only assume at full velocity, and can be fired from the hip by geriatrics with little difficulty.
Pallad-M, another shoulder-fired grenade launcher, is supposedly also pushing 40mm grenades to 175m/s

Both those use heavy as shit bolts and either a weird delayed blowback system or a long recoil length. Both those are likely incompatible with a decent sized and weighted OICW.

It's like saying that the Hydra grenade launcher means that you can fire those MV grenades from an M79 (you can't, at least not safely).

[Vigoureux]

hm I was under the impression the G3 was cheaper then the FAL. that's also a nice little surprise seeing as the FN FAL is my nation main combat weapon although it has the addition of a picitanny rail and some modifications to make it somewhat lighter.

If you're adding an extensive amount of rails, you aren't going to be saving much weight, I can tell you that right now.

oh no nothing of the sort. the modifications were added to counteract the weight of the rail system which covers the Foregrip and the top part of the receiver to add on additional sights

[Lemanrussland]

Pardon me for being dense, but who the hell cares if it has matching numbers or what arsenal marks it has if its going to be non-firing and hanging on the wall? All it needs to do, as Spree said in his post, is look pretty.

For a collective piece, all-matching is generally preferred ("this is the rifle and all its original parts!") and manufacturer is basically personal preference (such as my Izhevsk/Izhmash collection). What Ford should basically be focused on is physical appearance of the stock and metal, to be honest. Bore condition means nothing when it's welded closed.

Even for a shootable Mosin, all you really need to watch for are bore condition and whether or not the bolt/barrel SNs match (to avoid headspacing issues). Anything else is buyers' preference.

Odd, I'm looking up Mosin stuff and I come on here and see you guys talking about it.

I've got four that I have to clean, what method works best? Degreaser/hot water bath followed by some scrubbing? How can I clean the furniture easily without damaging the finish?

[The Kievan People]

So :ns: semi guided munition is still possible?

What is... semi-guided?

[Ea90]

Para's been doing art since as long as I can remember

itt beno doesn't get it

[Oaledonia]

Da futur ez nao

[Immoren]

Da futur ez nao

Futurmines best mines am I rite?