NS infantry discussion thread. Mark II

[Imperializt Russia]

You'd almost certainly have all the materials on-site to build fougasses and napalm-fuelled mines and the like.

What actually is the question?

[Ea90]

Did you read my comment? Your cartridge is longer than even the longest semi-auto pistol cartridges out there.

TOO LONG

Sieg rifle and AO-46 say hi.
It's possible, just difficult to make work (and might require some awkward hand positioning0

[Ea90]

true but I don't know who hodori is

that guy who does really cool lineart

[Purpelia]

What would happen if I took a 30x163mm round and removed the projectile, than caped the case with say cardboard or cork just to keep the powder from falling out and fired it from a handgun at people from point blank range?

[Mozria]

You'd almost certainly have all the materials on-site to build fougasses and napalm-fuelled mines and the like.

What actually is the question?

Well, the materials are a bit...unorthodox. I'll upload it now, if my bus does not get here first.

[Yes Im Biop]

You'd almost certainly have all the materials on-site to build fougasses and napalm-fuelled mines and the like.

What actually is the question?

Well, the materials are a bit...unorthodox. I'll upload it now, if my bus does not get here first.

FG mines are the scariest things I've ever seen. IED's with military equipment.

[Imperializt Russia]

You'd almost certainly have all the materials on-site to build fougasses and napalm-fuelled mines and the like.

What actually is the question?

Well, the materials are a bit...unorthodox. I'll upload it now, if my bus does not get here first.

Can't be that unorthodox.
You'll have varying grades of oil and petroleum product, heavy chemicals and binding agents. You'd be completely able to produce napalm A or B mixes from the chemicals on-site at an oil refinery.

[Spreewerke]

What would happen if I took a 30x163mm round and removed the projectile, than caped the case with say cardboard or cork just to keep the powder from falling out and fired it from a handgun at people from point blank range?

Use wax instead.

[Purpelia]

What would happen if I took a 30x163mm round and removed the projectile, than caped the case with say cardboard or cork just to keep the powder from falling out and fired it from a handgun at people from point blank range?

Use wax instead.

Good idea. But what would happen to the poor guy I shot? Also, how much of a lethal range could I get for the fireball?

[Imperializt Russia]

The bullet may not survive.

You have seventeen times the propellant mass of Eargesplitten Loudenboomer.

[Purpelia]

The bullet may not survive.

You have seventeen times the propellant mass of Eargesplitten Loudenboomer.

I don't intend the bullet to survive. It only needs to plug the case so that the powder does not fall out before I fire it. All the damage is supposed to be done by the muzzle flash.

Basically, imagine a short barreled 30mm boomstick with a trumpet like muzzle firing 30mm fireballs.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

The 4mm sabot version has armor piercing abilities.

True. In fairness though, if you're going to use 6.5mm CBJ then why use any other loading?

That brings us out of .25 acp territory and into "stabbed with a skewer" territory.
Even with a good hit, a 4mm hole will bleed very, VERY slowly

Which again brings me to my above point. If we continue to judge cartridges solely by their abilities as one shot man stoppers, then we shall never move past .45 ACP and 7.62mm NATO. Admittedly, a 4mm wound will do very little by itself. That's why you take advantage of the non existent recoil to pepper the target with multiple rounds. One 4mm hole bleeds slowly, but six? Not so much.

I frequently defend small caliber bullets, but 4 mm is small to the point that you are endangering your own troops.

Kinetic energy is a poor way to measure terminal ballistics, most of the extra energy is wasted on temporary cavitation, which doesn't do anything in handgun calibers.

I was under the impression that kinetic energy was one of the prime factors in terminal ballistics...

It's as long as the 5.7 FN and is the ballistic equivalent of 7.62 Tokarev.

As I recall, you didn't mention the 5.7mm FN. I was merely pointing out that it was somewhat silly to bash 10mm auto for being to big and unwieldy, and then suggest a bigger cartridge.

You can design guns to withstand frequent firings of +P+ loads as the russians have been doing. Their 9mm loads are up to 30% more powerful than standard 9mm loads.

You can indeed design pistols that will reliably take +P+ loads. However, to the best of my knowledge, they tend to be heavier than their standard counterparts. I may be wrong on that though.

Define "more powerful," because that sounds rather similar to "more kinetic energy," which you just claimed was an ineffective method of cartridge effectiveness measurement.

It's slightly longer than 10mm Auto, but narrower.

Is true.

[Mozria]

Pyrophoric Fougasse

Explosive Core:

Ten kilograms of HNE-12 (Hündenburg Military Science Institute Nitroamine Explosive XII [Hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane cocrystal with HMX, fortified with 2,4,6-Tris(trinitromethyl)- 1,3,5-triazine)

Detonation and Projection Mechanism:

Diazodinitrophenol Exploding-Foil Initiators placed in explosives at the bottom of the materiel storage unit, linked to detonator receiver through external cables

Projected Materiel and Storage:

200 liters of jellied triethylaluminum (mixed with 4.2% polyisobutylene and 1.4% silicon dioxide), stored in a welded stainless steel drum

Placement and Usage:

Typically placed lengthwise in a one-meter-deep hole with the explosive charge in the back end of the hole and the detonator wires leading elsewhere to the receiver, generally concealed with miscellaneous matter fitting to the setting, oriented with a commanding angle of the target area

[United states of brazilian nations]

Vietnam/Cambodia/Laos/Myanmar geographically, as you can see in my signature.

Never put much thought into what my rations are, but I can imagine that logically there would be some rice, yes.

Am I the only person ever who can't get enough of rice? I eat that shit plain all the time.

rice + beans = brazil.

bonus points if the beans are dark beans and you put sliced pepperoni / a bit of bacon / meat (personally i enjoy beef jerky) in that. add some water and congratulations - you have a "feijoada". tipically done separate from rice, but eaten with it. i suppose that, for being a popular national recipe, most field kitchens would serve it.

i can't realize why i'm not tired of that stuff yet.

I'm actually thinking of rolling my nation's history back to being founded in the 1890s rather than 1960s.
I'm assuming that in 1893-1895 using a Mosin-Nagant clone would not be too outlandish?

nope, it'd be perfectly fine.

also, this.
shameless artwhoring

[Black Hand]

Am I the only person ever who can't get enough of rice? I eat that shit plain all the time.

rice + beans = brazil.

bonus points if the beans are dark beans and you put sliced pepperoni / a bit of bacon / meat (personally i enjoy beef jerky) in that. add some water and congratulations - you have a "feijoada". tipically done separate from rice, but eaten with it. i suppose that, for being a popular national recipe, most field kitchens would serve it.

i can't realize why i'm not tired of that stuff yet.

I'm actually thinking of rolling my nation's history back to being founded in the 1890s rather than 1960s.
I'm assuming that in 1893-1895 using a Mosin-Nagant clone would not be too outlandish?

nope, it'd be perfectly fine.

also, this.
shameless artwhoring

Brazil.... the fuck man how much free time do you have?

[Blackledge]

I'm actually thinking of rolling my nation's history back to being founded in the 1890s rather than 1960s.
I'm assuming that in 1893-1895 using a Mosin-Nagant clone would not be too outlandish?

nope, it'd be perfectly fine.

also, this.
shameless artwhoring

A bolt action rifle with an underslung bolt action rifle grenade...

I'm not sure what to feel, so I'll give you kudos.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Uniform

*Standard Uniform

-Pale Blue, Dark Blue or Black Polo style shirt clearly bearing the ArchSec insignia
-Tan, Brown, OD Green or Black cargo trousers
-Combat or Work boots
*PASGT equivalent Kevlar vest/LBE
*Infantry Communication, Mapping and Information Sharing Device (Smartphone)
*Notebook and writing implements
*ID card

Armament

*MKb-10
*Glock FM-81 Bayonet/Survival Knife
*V40 Fragmentation Grenades (8)

Munitions

*MKb-10 Magazines (7 Magazines, 60 rounds each, 420 rounds total)
*Magazines 20x40mm Grenades for PAW20 (2 Magazines, 6 rounds each, 12 rounds total)
*40x46mm Grenades (4)
*100 rounds 7.92x57mm

Misc

*24 Hour Field Rations (2)
*100oz Water Bladder
*Hygiene Kit
*IFAK
*Maintenance/Cleaning Kit
*Poncho
*Bivy Sack
*Sleeping bag w/integrated air mattress
*Spare socks

Anything amis before I do the weights?

Note: An MKb-10 is, essentially, a Steyr AUG XS chambered in 4.6x30mm HK.

Repost for lack of replies.

[Imperializt Russia]

The 4mm sabot version has armor piercing abilities.

True. In fairness though, if you're going to use 6.5mm CBJ then why use any other loading?

That brings us out of .25 acp territory and into "stabbed with a skewer" territory.
Even with a good hit, a 4mm hole will bleed very, VERY slowly

Which again brings me to my above point. If we continue to judge cartridges solely by their abilities as one shot man stoppers, then we shall never move past .45 ACP and 7.62mm NATO. Admittedly, a 4mm wound will do very little by itself. That's why you take advantage of the non existent recoil to pepper the target with multiple rounds. One 4mm hole bleeds slowly, but six? Not so much.

I frequently defend small caliber bullets, but 4 mm is small to the point that you are endangering your own troops.

Kinetic energy is a poor way to measure terminal ballistics, most of the extra energy is wasted on temporary cavitation, which doesn't do anything in handgun calibers.

I was under the impression that kinetic energy was one of the prime factors in terminal ballistics...

It's as long as the 5.7 FN and is the ballistic equivalent of 7.62 Tokarev.

As I recall, you didn't mention the 5.7mm FN. I was merely pointing out that it was somewhat silly to bash 10mm auto for being to big and unwieldy, and then suggest a bigger cartridge.

You can design guns to withstand frequent firings of +P+ loads as the russians have been doing. Their 9mm loads are up to 30% more powerful than standard 9mm loads.

You can indeed design pistols that will reliably take +P+ loads. However, to the best of my knowledge, they tend to be heavier than their standard counterparts. I may be wrong on that though.

Define "more powerful," because that sounds rather similar to "more kinetic energy," which you just claimed was an ineffective method of cartridge effectiveness measurement.

It's slightly longer than 10mm Auto, but narrower.

Is true.

According to a very informative link Galla posted a while back, "kinetic energy dump" is not a significant factor in wounding potential.
However, the same article also believes hydrostatic shock theories to not only be incorrect but trivially simple to prove such. Which can't be true, unless Puz doesn't actually have a job.

Tule's posting a while back of the equivalent-KE 6mm BB and ~17.5mm buckshot pellet also, in theory, partly dispels notions of kinetic energy dump. It showed that the much slower, much fatter projectile carved a significantly more traumatic wound channel, despite reduced temporary cavity formation (at least, relative to the diameter of the main channel).

[Sevvania]

nope, it'd be perfectly fine.

also, this.
shameless artwhoring

A bolt action rifle with an underslung bolt action rifle grenade...

"I could blow up the whole... world with this."

[Black Hand]

A bolt action rifle with an underslung bolt action rifle grenade...

"I could blow up the whole... world with this."

RVB? I approve

[Fordorsia]

First 1. caliber musket I've seen here.



So yeah, that's a thing.

[Mozria]

Will anyone review my fougasse? It got posted over a bunch.

[Black Hand]

Will anyone review my fougasse? It got posted over a bunch.

what do you want to know? its fougasse. it's completely functional.

[Mozria]

I just wanted to know if the fougasses were constructed in a practical manner. The explosives could be too great or too little to properly bust the triethylaluminum container and pitch it in sufficient concentration, and I may not need or want to use triethylaluminum at all.

[Oaledonia]

Modest Officer.jpeg

Posting it here for all to not care.