NS infantry discussion thread. Mark II

[Spreewerke]

You can make a better one in the other PMG.

Also, Y.

Just did:

Next step is inserting the magazine correctly.


How convenient:

[Istevia]

Just did:
(Image)

Next step is inserting the magazine correctly.


How convenient:

Is this better?

[Spreewerke]

Next step is inserting the magazine correctly.


How convenient:

http://i.imgur.com/ITFryZS.jpg?1

Is this better?

You're getting closer. Here: take a look at where the rear lug of the magazine sits in relation to the rifle.

I've included a brief list of reference photos from my own firearms:

http://i.imgur.com/F1PhvEE.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kJAP6Bb.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Gti5Ny8.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dV8U2cN.jpg

Basically, that rear lug should be covered by the magazine release tab housing for the most part while the base of the rear lug appears to contact it.

[Istevia]

Is this better?
(Image)

You're getting closer. Here: take a look at where the rear lug of the magazine sits in relation to the rifle.

I've included a brief list of reference photos from my own firearms:

http://i.imgur.com/F1PhvEE.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kJAP6Bb.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Gti5Ny8.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dV8U2cN.jpg

Basically, that rear lug should be covered by the magazine release tab housing for the most part while the base of the rear lug appears to contact it.

Okay, I think I got it right this time:

[Spreewerke]

It appears to be more or less correct now.

[Istevia]

It appears to be more or less correct now.

Yay, I know how to make RPK ripoffs now.

[Black Hand]

I just realized that if i'm switching to a de-rimmed 7.62X54R that rather than 9.3X64 then that means.



they're back motherfuckers.
full size album.
IC'ly in use from 1949-1986 for A type units, and still in service in some B type units and is a common Civil guard weapon to this day

[The Republic of Lanos]

Derimmed 7.62x54mmR?

What is this sorcery?

[Black Hand]

Derimmed 7.62x54mmR?

What is this sorcery?

7.62X55 it's what im going to use IC'ly after 1948 it was in development during the war when it became that automatic weapons where by and large superior and that the rimmed design was not conducive to most automatic weapons designs and high capacity magazines

[Mozria]

I laid something out in the MRCT earlier, but really didn't get any kind of review or advice. It was an incendiary fougasse design that I am utilizing against massed infantry and vehicles in the defense of a ~200 km^2 oil drilling/refining/exporting zone.

Even though it may not really be the true alignment of this thread, would you guys be willing to take a gander at it?

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

I am with question.

Would there be any real reason to issue pistols to MG operators and the like when the standard assault rifle is only 500mm long and weighs a mere 2.5kg?

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Yay Black Hand FALs!

[Black Hand]

I am with question.

Would there be any real reason to issue pistols to MG operators and the like when the standard assault rifle is only 500mm long and weighs a mere 2.5kg?

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Yay Black Hand FALs!

Not when the M9 is less than 1.2 Kg loaded and only 217mm long, and the glock 19 is only 174mm long and half a kilo unloaded, remember that it's a backup. unless you are reffering to HMG crew in which case go for it.

You like? just wait my Deutschland loving friend just wait more battle rifle goodness is coming and in a way you will love.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Not when the M9 is less than 1.2 Kg loaded and only 217mm long, and the glock 19 is only 174mm long and half a kilo unloaded, remember that it's a backup. unless you are reffering to HMG crew in which case go for it.

This is true. However, to my understanding, the M9 only has a 15 round magazine and an effective range of "eat a dick." Perfect for fending off a small zerg rush, but not so much for defending your comrade/self from the enemy hoards across the way as your comrade scrabbles furiously at the MG in an attempt to return it to working order.

Conversely, ArchRifle has a magazine capacity of 60 rounds and an effective range of 350m, making it rather well suited for such things. Too it's really not that big when you think about it. Only a whopping two inches longer than this

Overall though, you're probably right. Too, then I'd have no use for the helical magazine fed machine pistol that I'm designing.

You like? just wait my Deutschland loving friend just wait more battle rifle goodness is coming and in a way you will love.

I look forward to seeing it.

[Imperializt Russia]

so besides the ulfheim group is my nation the only one that is a exceedingly cold climate?
the Black Hand mostly encircles the black sea (consumes all of bulgaria, Moldova and macedonia, most of greece, a decent chunk of northern turkey and about half of romania. it also contians parts of ukraine as the modern capital is not far from the remains of Sevastapol) , an as a result of the tiberium event has become a cold desert not unlike the gobi just more Mountainous and colder.

since i fee like this was ignored

the Black Hand does possess a very strange underground complex within my nation inside the most heavily infested Red zone, a nigh constant ion storm rages over the location (think sandstorm combined with an ungodly powerful thunderstorm and some additional things i don't remember off the top of my head ) various exploratory teams have entered the facility and only three survivors have ever escaped the facility of which only one was coherent before they expired of shock, recovered recordings showed bodies of researchers that had been shredded to pieces and showed severe 4th degree burns as well as deep cuts and charred holes punched clean through the armor of the researchers escort team. the survivor claimed that they had been examining what appeared to be an ornate archway when what was described as a portal opened obliterating the torso of one researcher, after which a swarm of small dart like creatures flew out and attacked the team, other portals began to open and additional oddities began to attack the research team with what appeared to be some sort of thermal weaponry incinerating parts of their victims. the survivor described them as insect like in appearance, and managed to escape with severe trauma, he expired shortly after. the BHDC currently maintains a quarantine zone around the zone, as far as yet none have tested the zone since it's establishment as it remains a highly inhospitable area and hence forth served as a BHDC experimental weapons test and research facility.

The only vaguely weird place about Samozniy Russia is the Chechnya Forest, heavily landmined, where the Matryoshka (GRU) have a number of bunker complexes.

I feel left out.
The New Samozniy Republic, shipbuilding facility, testing facility and nation-sized silo field has the Summoner's Rift and Demon's Run warfare exercise facilities though. I promise I didn't know Summoner's Rift was anything to do with LoL when I picked the name.

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I have no idea how I'm going to mount a BARS to this, considering the different sights that I use. The plan is to get the maker of these magazines to make a casket one and then I'll have a decent Squad Automatic Weapon.

You'll have to raise the front sight to be usable anyway, so just mount it above a block.

it looks like a beta C-mag so odds are 100 rounds like the others

One could also say that it's a doppeltrommel and is therefore 75 rounds.

The weapon has a 5.56 magazine converter.
It's a stock CMAG and therefore will have all the FTFs.

Derimmed 7.62x54mmR?

What is this sorcery?

Welcome to Samozniy Russia circa 1997.

I am with question.

Would there be any real reason to issue pistols to MG operators and the like when the standard assault rifle is only 500mm long and weighs a mere 2.5kg?

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Yay Black Hand FALs!

Their MG is their personal weapon. They're already carrying a 7-11kg weapon plus four hundred rounds of ammunition for it, a handgun would be much more weight-efficient in the event he requires another weapon. You're already up several magazines before you even start adding them to the rifle. An M9 handgun allows to carry one loaded in the weapon plus six additional magazines of 15 rounds and you're still (just) shy of 2.5kg - without holster, of course.

[Rich and Corporations]

Draft concept of PDW round:
.222 Remington necked up to 7mm
use 7mm spitzer rifle bullet (100 grains)
overall length decreased by 5 mm
case capacity: 1.3 cubic centimeters
muzzle energy: 1.5 kilojoules
velocity: 642 m/s
supersonic to 500 meters, retaining 471 joules, sufficient to allow for suppressive fire

it is also short enough to allow for a single-stacked pistol magazine to be used

[Bezombia]

Draft concept of PDW round:
.222 Remington necked up to 7mm
use 7mm spitzer rifle bullet (100 grains)
overall length decreased by 5 mm
case capacity: 1.3 cubic centimeters
muzzle energy: 1.5 kilojoules
velocity: 642 m/s
supersonic to 500 meters, retaining 471 joules, sufficient to allow for suppressive fire

it is also short enough to allow for a single-stacked pistol magazine to be used

Not even close.

[Rich and Corporations]

Draft concept of PDW round:
.222 Remington necked up to 7mm
use 7mm spitzer rifle bullet (100 grains)
overall length decreased by 5 mm
case capacity: 1.3 cubic centimeters
muzzle energy: 1.5 kilojoules
velocity: 642 m/s
supersonic to 500 meters, retaining 471 joules, sufficient to allow for suppressive fire

it is also short enough to allow for a single-stacked pistol magazine to be used

Not even close.

til bezombia has small hands and shoots firearms with one hand

[Bezombia]

Not even close.

til bezombia has small hands and shoots firearms with one hand

.50 AE, the upper limit of "cartridges that can be fit in the grip", has an OAL ten millimeters shorter than your proposed round. You'd have to be a Biopian to shoot that from a pistol.,

[Rich and Corporations]

til bezombia has small hands and shoots firearms with one hand

.50 AE, the upper limit of "cartridges that can be fit in the grip", has an OAL ten millimeters shorter than your proposed round. You'd have to be a Biopian to shoot that from a pistol.,

.50 AE has "Base diameter .547 in (13.9 mm)"
I think this is clearly a case of the beno.

[Tule]

But it has the armour piercing abilities of some intermediates, and the kick of a malnourished infant. If we continually rag on new cartridges for their inability to stop a man dead in one shot, then we shall never see anything new or innovative.

The 4mm sabot version has armor piercing abilities.

That brings us out of .25 acp territory and into "stabbed with a skewer" territory.
Even with a good hit, a 4mm hole will bleed very, VERY slowly

I frequently defend small caliber bullets, but 4 mm is small to the point that you are endangering your own troops.

Mind though, it also has the KE of some .357 Magnum loads, which is its main selling point. Magnum performance from semiautomatic pistols without the ludicrous bulk of a Magnum shell.

Kinetic energy is a poor way to measure terminal ballistics, most of the extra energy is wasted on temporary cavitation, which doesn't do anything in handgun calibers.

Even longer and, in all probabiloty, more recoil intensive than the 10mm Auto you complained about earlier.

It's as long as the 5.7 FN and is the ballistic equivalent of 7.62 Tokarev.

Offers increased parts wear, mussel blast and recoil for very little gain.

You can design guns to withstand frequent firings of +P+ loads as the russians have been doing. Their 9mm loads are up to 30% more powerful than standard 9mm loads.

Also bigger than 10mm Auto. That's about all I can say against it though.

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It's slightly longer than 10mm Auto, but narrower.

[Tule]

.50 AE, the upper limit of "cartridges that can be fit in the grip", has an OAL ten millimeters shorter than your proposed round. You'd have to be a Biopian to shoot that from a pistol.,

.50 AE has "Base diameter .547 in (13.9 mm)"
I think this is clearly a case of the beno.

5mm shorter than .222 remington is 49 mm.

That's a centimeter longer than 5.7 FN

3mm longer than even the .221 fireball.

May I suggest you neck up the 5.7 Johnson instead?

[Rich and Corporations]

.50 AE has "Base diameter .547 in (13.9 mm)"
I think this is clearly a case of the beno.

5mm shorter than .222 remington is 49 mm.

That's a centimeter longer than 5.7 FN

3mm longer than even the .221 fireball.

May I suggest you neck up the 5.7 Johnson instead?

o.o
The 5.7 uses double stack magazines.
there is such a thing as single stack magazines, and would reduce magazine width by ~40%.

[Tule]

5mm shorter than .222 remington is 49 mm.

That's a centimeter longer than 5.7 FN

3mm longer than even the .221 fireball.

May I suggest you neck up the 5.7 Johnson instead?

o.o
The 5.7 uses double stack magazines.
there is such a thing as single stack magazines, and would reduce magazine width by ~40%.

Did you read my comment? Your cartridge is longer than even the longest semi-auto pistol cartridges out there.

TOO LONG

[Rich and Corporations]

o.o
The 5.7 uses double stack magazines.
there is such a thing as single stack magazines, and would reduce magazine width by ~40%.

Did you read my comment? Your cartridge is longer than even the longest semi-auto pistol cartridges out there.

TOO LONG

you lack daring

[Mozria]

I laid something out in the MRCT earlier, but really didn't get any kind of review or advice. It was an incendiary fougasse design that I am utilizing against massed infantry and vehicles in the defense of a ~200 km^2 oil drilling/refining/exporting zone.

Even though it may not really be the true alignment of this thread, would you guys be willing to take a gander at it?