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Who will OP the next iteration of the IDT?

Aqizithiuda
36
27%
Benomia
34
25%
Dread Lady Nathicana
6
4%
Kyrusia
3
2%
Purpelia
11
8%
Samoz (Imperializt Russia)
8
6%
Spreewerke
14
10%
Transnapastain
9
7%
Ulfr-Reich / Aethal
3
2%
United states of brazilian nations
10
7%
 
Total votes : 134

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New-Found Land
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Postby New-Found Land » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:40 am

Blackledge wrote:
New-Found Land wrote:Or should I drop the Bren all together and move the MAG down to platoon?

I'd say keep the Bren regardless.


I'm starting to think of moving the Bren to my airborne units, as an equivalent to the MAG in non-airborne units.
The more I look at my infantry the more I want a heavy/light mix, and the heavy mix can have MAGs on every vehicle, or more!

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Imperializt Russia
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:43 am

The BREN isn't very equivalent to the MAG, on any real level. As cool as it is, the BREN should really be replaced or in the process of being replaced by the MAG if the two are coexisting.

If you want something smaller and lighter, look into adopting a 240L MAG or something, or just chopping down the barrel on your own variant.
Or for extra cool points, the Minimi 7.62
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Bezombia
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Postby Bezombia » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:43 am

New-Found Land wrote:
Blackledge wrote:I'd say keep the Bren regardless.


I'm starting to think of moving the Bren to my airborne units, as an equivalent to the MAG in non-airborne units.
The more I look at my infantry the more I want a heavy/light mix, and the heavy mix can have MAGs on every vehicle, or more!


I'd say drop them both.
Replace the MAG with an HK21E and replace the Bren with an HK11E. Then you have a simplified logistical as both of those weapons are almost exactly the same save their feeding system, and you also have a very nice rifle to boot.
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The Archangel Conglomerate
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:54 am

Bezombia wrote:I'd say drop them both.
Replace the MAG with an HK21E and replace the Bren with an HK11E. Then you have a simplified logistical as both of those weapons are almost exactly the same save their feeding system, and you also have a very nice rifle to boot.

This man... this man knows what he speaks of.
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Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:For want of lances, the heavy equipment never reached the field.

For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Imperializt Russia
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:55 am

I hope you understand the gravity of what you just said.
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The Archangel Conglomerate
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:56 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:I hope you understand the gravity of what you just said.

As do I, Samoz. As do I.
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Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:For want of lances, the heavy equipment never reached the field.

For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Aethal
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Founded: Oct 29, 2013
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Postby Aethal » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:56 am

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:
Bezombia wrote:I'd say drop them both.
Replace the MAG with an HK21E and replace the Bren with an HK11E. Then you have a simplified logistical as both of those weapons are almost exactly the same save their feeding system, and you also have a very nice rifle to boot.

This man... this man knows what he speaks of.



MG3 or Taden Gun; maybe a Madsen or Sig design. Damn heretic using puny bullets of the punyness.
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Postby Bezombia » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:58 am

Aethal wrote:
The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:This man... this man knows what he speaks of.



MG3 or Taden Gun; maybe a Madsen or Sig design. Damn heretic using puny bullets of the punyness.


The MG3 fires the same cartridge as the HK21E and HK11E.
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Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.
Equestican wrote:Ben is love, Ben is life.
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Aethal
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Postby Aethal » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:59 am

Bezombia wrote:
Aethal wrote:

MG3 or Taden Gun; maybe a Madsen or Sig design. Damn heretic using puny bullets of the punyness.


The MG3 fires the same cartridge as the HK21E and HK11E.



Right, totally why I mentioned the MG3. I mean, fucks sake, he could rock an Mg3 chambered in 9.5x57mm Badass. ROF + Jawdropping armorraping stopping power? Fuck Yes.
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Postby Immoren » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:00 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:The BREN isn't very equivalent to the MAG, on any real level. As cool as it is, the BREN should really be replaced or in the process of being replaced by the MAG if the two are coexisting.

If you want something smaller and lighter, look into adopting a 240L MAG or something, or just chopping down the barrel on your own variant.
Or for extra cool points, the Minimi 7.62


MAG for MG team of section and BREN for assault team of section. *nods*
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Postby Bezombia » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:00 am

Aethal wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
The MG3 fires the same cartridge as the HK21E and HK11E.



Right, totally why I mentioned the MG3. I mean, fucks sake, he could rock an Mg3 chambered in 9.5x57mm Badass.


Well on that thought process he should be issueing the HK25 instead of the Bren.
Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon...but down this road we've been so many times...
Please, call me Benomia. Post count +14623, founded Oct. 23, 2012.
Sauritican wrote:We've all been spending too much time with Ben
Verdum wrote:Hey girl, is your name Karl Marx? Because your starting an uprising in my lower classes.
Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.
Equestican wrote:Ben is love, Ben is life.
Sediczja wrote:real eyes realize real lies
I'm a poet. Come read my poems!

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Aethal
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Founded: Oct 29, 2013
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Postby Aethal » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:04 am

Bezombia wrote:
Aethal wrote:

Right, totally why I mentioned the MG3. I mean, fucks sake, he could rock an Mg3 chambered in 9.5x57mm Badass.


Well on that thought process he should be issueing the HK25 instead of the Bren.



Yet your remark belays a deep need to continue pushing H&K kit, all the damn time. It isn't the "be all, end all" of firearm manufacturers.

This discussion is over, and with it, my olde fashioned incapability to take you seriously in any light/way, shape or form comes into play once more.
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Blackledge
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Postby Blackledge » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:05 am

Immoren wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:The BREN isn't very equivalent to the MAG, on any real level. As cool as it is, the BREN should really be replaced or in the process of being replaced by the MAG if the two are coexisting.

If you want something smaller and lighter, look into adopting a 240L MAG or something, or just chopping down the barrel on your own variant.
Or for extra cool points, the Minimi 7.62


MAG for MG team of section and BREN for assault team of section. *nods*

I nominate this. Bren is of much cool.
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Aethal
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Postby Aethal » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:05 am

Blackledge wrote:
Immoren wrote:
MAG for MG team of section and BREN for assault team of section. *nods*

I nominate this. Bren is of much cool.



You, you have the right idea.
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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:10 am

Bezombia wrote:
Aethal wrote:

Right, totally why I mentioned the MG3. I mean, fucks sake, he could rock an Mg3 chambered in 9.5x57mm Badass.


Well on that thought process he should be issueing the HK25 instead of the Bren.

Never mind that MG3's operating mechanism is way more simpler than the G3 derived MG's, that the weight differences is negligible and that MG3 has way more volume of fire.
*suggests MG60*
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Kouralia
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Postby Kouralia » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:11 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
Well on that thought process he should be issueing the HK25 instead of the Bren.

Never mind that MG3's operating mechanism is way more simpler than the G3 derived MG's, that the weight differences is negligible and that MG3 has way more volume of fire.
*suggests MG60*

*suggests FN MAG*
Kouralia:

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:11 am

Blackledge wrote:
Immoren wrote:
MAG for MG team of section and BREN for assault team of section. *nods*

I nominate this. Bren is of much cool.

Also weighs as much as a MAG.
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Ea90
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Postby Ea90 » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:11 am

I would think that RDB is a lot simpler than roller-locked recoil-operation.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:12 am

Kouralia wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Never mind that MG3's operating mechanism is way more simpler than the G3 derived MG's, that the weight differences is negligible and that MG3 has way more volume of fire.
*suggests MG60*

*suggests FN MAG*

Silly kour u know MAG can never match the 1,800 rpm of the MG 60.
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Kouralia
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Postby Kouralia » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:13 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Kouralia wrote:*suggests FN MAG*

Silly kour u know MAG can never match the 1,800 rpm of the MG 60.

Why are you not firing your MG in short, aimed, controlled bursts?
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The Archangel Conglomerate
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:15 am

Aethal wrote:MG3 or Taden Gun; maybe a Madsen or Sig design. Damn heretic using puny bullets of the punyness.

MG3 fires the same 7.62x51mm as the HK21/11. Taden gun fires the smaller .280 British. Madsen feeds from a rather small magazine, making it unsuitable for MG usage, and saying a SIG design is roughly akin to specifying "a Mercedes sedan."

While Beno's (Bezo?) constant promotion of the G3 and it's derivatives can, at times, be a smidge annoying, it's a refreshing change from the constant FAL and Kalashnikov fapping.
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Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:For want of lances, the heavy equipment never reached the field.

For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Aethal
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Founded: Oct 29, 2013
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Postby Aethal » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:18 am

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:
Aethal wrote:MG3 or Taden Gun; maybe a Madsen or Sig design. Damn heretic using puny bullets of the punyness.

MG3 fires the same 7.62x51mm as the HK21/11. Taden gun fires the smaller .280 British. Madsen feeds from a rather small magazine, making it unsuitable for MG usage, and saying a SIG design is roughly akin to specifying "a Mercedes sedan."

While Beno's (Bezo?) constant promotion of the G3 and it's derivatives can, at times, be a smidge annoying, it's a refreshing change from the constant FAL and Kalashnikov fapping.



Yes, it can be a bit refreshing. We need more FN Model D in here.
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Bezombia
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Postby Bezombia » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:18 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
Well on that thought process he should be issueing the HK25 instead of the Bren.

Never mind that MG3's operating mechanism is way more simpler than the G3 derived MG's, that the weight differences is negligible and that MG3 has way more volume of fire.
*suggests MG60*


Perhaps be true but think of it like this.
You could literally have every weapon in your entire arsenal have almost exactly the same operating mechanism.
HK33/G41 for the average solder, MSG3/MSG90 for the squad DMR, HK11E for the LSWman, HK21E for the GPMG, HK23E for the LMGer, HK25 for the HMG, HK51B/HK53/MP5K-PDW for the tank crews/pilots.
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Verdum wrote:Hey girl, is your name Karl Marx? Because your starting an uprising in my lower classes.
Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
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Equestican wrote:Ben is love, Ben is life.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:20 am

Bezombia wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Never mind that MG3's operating mechanism is way more simpler than the G3 derived MG's, that the weight differences is negligible and that MG3 has way more volume of fire.
*suggests MG60*


Perhaps be true but think of it like this.
You could literally have every weapon in your entire arsenal have almost exactly the same operating mechanism.
HK33/G41 for the average solder, MSG3/MSG90 for the squad DMR, HK11E for the LSWman, HK21E for the GPMG, HK23E for the LMGer, HK25 for the HMG, HK51B/HK53/MP5K-PDW for the tank crews/pilots.

I don't need a screw driver to get to the barrel of an MG3. :3
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Bezombia
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Postby Bezombia » Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:21 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
Perhaps be true but think of it like this.
You could literally have every weapon in your entire arsenal have almost exactly the same operating mechanism.
HK33/G41 for the average solder, MSG3/MSG90 for the squad DMR, HK11E for the LSWman, HK21E for the GPMG, HK23E for the LMGer, HK25 for the HMG, HK51B/HK53/MP5K-PDW for the tank crews/pilots.

I don't need a screw driver to get to the barrel of an MG3. :3


*insert comment about the MG3 needing to have it's barrel readily available here*
Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon...but down this road we've been so many times...
Please, call me Benomia. Post count +14623, founded Oct. 23, 2012.
Sauritican wrote:We've all been spending too much time with Ben
Verdum wrote:Hey girl, is your name Karl Marx? Because your starting an uprising in my lower classes.
Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.
Equestican wrote:Ben is love, Ben is life.
Sediczja wrote:real eyes realize real lies
I'm a poet. Come read my poems!

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