NS infantry discussion thread. Mark II

[Bezombia]

I always thought that 9x19 was too powerful for straight blowback? Was the VP just a fluke or were WWII loadings just really weak?

[Spreewerke]

Yeah, so I gathered from the wiki. The only real difference I was thinking was the bars would provide the additional wounding power, rather than the flattening of the round like a traditional hollowpoint. It's a moot point anyway.

look up the R.I.P G2 I eagerly await it. sadly it isn't coming in 9X18 so it won't work in the PM I'm going to be sharing with my father. (it's going be his until I am old enough to possess it, or until I'm done with basic because I believe that in turn exempts me from some state firearm laws I need to check though)

From the gel test video I've seen, it really isn't that impressive. It acts like a regular hollow point, except the petals detach. The permanent wound looked quite small to me.

[Black Hand]

I always thought that 9x19 was too powerful for straight blowback? Was the VP just a fluke or were WWII loadings just really weak?

....Hi-point makes 9X19 and even .45ACP blowback. It's a matter of making the slide heavy enough to compensate for it.
and the VP70 was made in....surprise 1970 this is realted to WWII loadings how?

look up the R.I.P G2 I eagerly await it. sadly it isn't coming in 9X18 so it won't work in the PM I'm going to be sharing with my father. (it's going be his until I am old enough to possess it, or until I'm done with basic because I believe that in turn exempts me from some state firearm laws I need to check though)

From the gel test video I've seen, it really isn't that impressive. It acts like a regular hollow point, except the petals detach. The permanent wound looked quite small to me.

didn't say it was any good, I just find it interesting and not unlike what arkandos described. I would want to see how well it penetrated compared to a JHP I have some steel plate sitting around that would be interesting to test.

[New Visegrad]

Question for the overnight crowd: on the draft for the L-8 Shattercannon, I have two rails aligned on the vertical. However, I'm wondering if it might be better to have an additional rail pair on the horizontal, to increase accuracy.
Something I've done previously, though not recently since it's a pain in the ass to make it look right, is to have three rails total, one top, two bottom (equally spaced), so that's an option too.

Thoughts? One pair enough? Two pairs needed? Three rail superiority?

[Bezombia]

I always thought that 9x19 was too powerful for straight blowback? Was the VP just a fluke or were WWII loadings just really weak?

....Hi-point makes 9X19 and even .45ACP blowback. It's a matter of making the slide heavy enough to compensate for it.
and the VP70 was made in....surprise 1970 this is realted to WWII loadings how?

Not the VP70, the VP.
Volkspistole.
That crazy-ass Germany gas delayed blowback proto that was eventually converted to straight blowback.


Also I specifically remember reading that 9x18 was adopted because it was weak enough to be used in a straight blowback desing.

[Aqizithiuda]

....Hi-point makes 9X19 and even .45ACP blowback. It's a matter of making the slide heavy enough to compensate for it.
and the VP70 was made in....surprise 1970 this is realted to WWII loadings how?

Not the VP70, the VP.
Volkspistole.
That crazy-ass Germany gas delayed blowback proto that was eventually converted to straight blowback.


Also I specifically remember reading that 9x18 was adopted because it was weak enough to be used in a straight blowback desing.

9x19mm is fine in a straight blowback pistol. That pistol is going to be a tad heavy, though, probably heavier enough for the Soviets to go "nope" and adopt the Makarov.

[Blackledge]

Double question time!

1) Thoughts on Czechnology? Anyone have personal experience with anything of Czech make larger than a CZ 75?

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2) Regarding dress uniforms. Austrian knot, yes or no?

Of course the answer is yes, but still welcome opinions on it.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Any o you talk shit about the VP70 and yer gonna get popped right in yer mouth.

[Bezombia]

Any o you talk shit about the VP70 and yer gonna get popped right in yer mouth.

nobody was talking about the VP70

[San-Silvacian]

Double question time!

1) Thoughts on Czechnology? Anyone have personal experience with anything of Czech make larger than a CZ 75?

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2) Regarding dress uniforms. Austrian knot, yes or no?

Of course the answer is yes, but still welcome opinions on it.

i've never handled anything, but I've read enough to know they are legit as fuck. A good way to get the War Pact feel with a good Western twist.

[Blackledge]

Any o you talk shit about the VP70 and yer gonna get popped right in yer mouth.

Yer VP70 a shit.

Naw.

Double question time!

1) Thoughts on Czechnology? Anyone have personal experience with anything of Czech make larger than a CZ 75?

i've never handled anything, but I've read enough to know they are legit as fuck. A good way to get the War Pact feel with a good Western twist.

Yeah, Czechnology does have a solid reputation.

[Tule]

Double question time!

1) Thoughts on Czechnology? Anyone have personal experience with anything of Czech make larger than a CZ 75?

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2) Regarding dress uniforms. Austrian knot, yes or no?

Of course the answer is yes, but still welcome opinions on it.

i've never handled anything, but I've read enough to know they are legit as fuck. A good way to get the War Pact feel with a good Western twist.

CZ made guns are really popular here in Iceland. Importing guns is expensive, especially from the US, but CZ is apparently excellent value for money.

[Fordorsia]

I always thought that 9x19 was too powerful for straight blowback? Was the VP just a fluke or were WWII loadings just really weak?

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That trigger tho

[Vareiln]

I independently thought up the Black Talon round a few years ago, without knowing it already existed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Talon
The idea was to have long bars of a hard metal (in a radially symmetrical pattern) contained within a copper hollowpoint rifle round. Upon impact and mushrooming, the long bars would be angled away from the center of the round, turning into a metal star and tearing through flesh, causing much more damage than a traditional round. Too bad Winchester beat me to it.

That was because of a whole panicky controversy, yes?

That is how basically every hollow point works. The BT just happened to be one of the better HP designs. It goes by the SXT now and is different in appearance by color only ("Same eXact Thing").

[Spreewerke]

That was because of a whole panicky controversy, yes?

That is how basically every hollow point works. The BT just happened to be one of the better HP designs. It goes by the SXT now and is different in appearance by color only ("Same eXact Thing").

Yes.

[Triplebaconation]

Question for the overnight crowd: on the draft for the L-8 Shattercannon, I have two rails aligned on the vertical. However, I'm wondering if it might be better to have an additional rail pair on the horizontal, to increase accuracy.
Something I've done previously, though not recently since it's a pain in the ass to make it look right, is to have three rails total, one top, two bottom (equally spaced), so that's an option too.

Thoughts? One pair enough? Two pairs needed? Three rail superiority?

Two rails are that are needed or will work.

The barrel needs to be enclosed though.

[Puzikas]

Didn't Puz tell us it was important to remember that "fifty layers of Kevlar" is the body armour industry's equivalent to the tank industry's "800mm RHAe" in that quite a number of "layers" of kevlar make up one vest?

I seem to recall the number as being somewhere between 30 and 50.

These guys use 32 layers in their IIIA vests.

My hopes are up.

Generally speaking almost all vests are made of a few (dozen) layers of Kevlar and other protective fibers. The typical range tends to be between 20 (Level II) and 50 (Level IV) layers. So when they say things like "5.7 can go through 50 layers of Kevlar!!!1!one!!", popular thought is they're saying 5.7 can shoot through 50 vests. What they're actually saying is 5.7 can typically perforate a standard vest rather well.

Obviously you will have already known this, because you aren't dumb

As for your 5.7-30, this isn't a new thought by any means (sorry ), but you are correct in your thinking. .30 Carbine is really a decent round, and could benefit greatly from a projectile similar to that.

-snip-

Thats interesting.

The standard issue of the Polish Civil Air Guard (Poland Border Guard-Sky marshal) is the P-64 handgun. Outside that, they use the Pm. 63. BESIDES them, and the PM pistol, to my understanding, the Polish Sky Marshals...even during the cold war...did not use the PK Machine Gun at any point. So he was probably NOT a Sky Marshal

[Bezombia]

.30 Carbine with case stretched to 40mm and given a 7.62 Shipunov bullet for western version of 7.62x39 yes/no and why /whynot

[Spreewerke]

.30 Carbine with case stretched to 40mm and given a 7.62 Shipunov bullet for western version of 7.62x39 yes/no and why /whynot

Because .300 AAC Blackout exists.

[Bezombia]

.30 Carbine with case stretched to 40mm and given a 7.62 Shipunov bullet for western version of 7.62x39 yes/no and why /whynot

Because .300 AAC Blackout exists.

Not fast enough

[Aqizithiuda]

Because .300 AAC Blackout exists.

Not fast enough

And you think your option will actually have a greater case capacity?

[Tule]

These guys use 32 layers in their IIIA vests.

My hopes are up.

Generally speaking almost all vests are made of a few (dozen) layers of Kevlar and other protective fibers. The typical range tends to be between 20 (Level II) and 50 (Level IV) layers. So when they say things like "5.7 can go through 50 layers of Kevlar!!!1!one!!", popular thought is they're saying 5.7 can shoot through 50 vests. What they're actually saying is 5.7 can typically perforate a standard vest rather well.

Obviously you will have already known this, because you aren't dumb

As for your 5.7-30, this isn't a new thought by any means (sorry ), but you are correct in your thinking. .30 Carbine is really a decent round, and could benefit greatly from a projectile similar to that.

It's not a 5.7-30 (AKA .22 Spitfire). It's a standard .30 carbine cartridge in terms of dimensions, ballistics and caliber.

The difference is that the bullet has the same bullet construction as the 9mm High-Performance round offered by NAMMO. A thickened steel jacket that prevents the vest from deforming the bullet, thus enhancing penetration.



US Congress actually banned this very bullet design in 1993.

[Tule]

Because .300 AAC Blackout exists.

Not fast enough

You will not achieve the velocity needed by stretching the .30 carbine.

.300 BLK is about as compact as a cartridge with 7.62x39 performance can get.

[New Visegrad]

Question for the overnight crowd: on the draft for the L-8 Shattercannon, I have two rails aligned on the vertical. However, I'm wondering if it might be better to have an additional rail pair on the horizontal, to increase accuracy.
Something I've done previously, though not recently since it's a pain in the ass to make it look right, is to have three rails total, one top, two bottom (equally spaced), so that's an option too.

Thoughts? One pair enough? Two pairs needed? Three rail superiority?

Two rails are that are needed or will work.

The barrel needs to be enclosed though.

Why?

[Coltarin]

Two rails are that are needed or will work.

The barrel needs to be enclosed though.

Why?

Because the projectile needs to be centered, if one rail is pulling in a direction there needs to be another to counter act its force or else the projectile will veer towards the direction of the rail.