NS infantry discussion thread. Mark II

[Purpelia]

This was a time where combat in tight quarters was a routine thing that you could expect to happen on a daily basis during combat operations. If my army was marching into Stalingrad or the trenches of the Somme I would probably issue them with combat shotguns as well. But my point was that this is not exactly a common situation in modern maneuver warfare.

they could be good for garrison troops in recently occupied areas, but apart from that and the odd special forces team use is limited in the modern day

Which is what I said.

Really, as someone who takes extra care to design every piece of equipment my army uses I still feel combat shotguns are niche enough to just buy off the shelf in which ever hunting store offers my army the best discount.

[Imperializt Russia]

The 870 is extremely widely used as a military, police and hunting shotgun.
Off the shelf is probably the way to go.

[Vareiln]

The 870 is extremely widely used as a military, police and hunting shotgun.
Off the shelf is probably the way to go.

Seriously this.
Most pump-action shotguns, especially the 870 and the Mossberg 500, can handle any type of projectile you'd need to use. Whether it would be doorbusting or shot, an off-the-shelf pump-action can handle it.
They're cheap and reliable to boot.
The only semi-auto that I'm pretty sure performs in a similar manner would be the Saiga.

[Imperializt Russia]

Saiga's pretty famous for stovepiping. Pretty sure people say it's from overburdening it with shit, and probably bump-firing too, but it's something to take a note of.

[Spreewerke]

Saiga's pretty famous for stovepiping. Pretty sure people say it's from overburdening it with shit, and probably bump-firing too, but it's something to take a note of.

My Saiga-12 has had the occasional stovepipe during the break-in period, but that was still with low-brass. I've never had malfunctions with high brass of any kind. If your military is using low-brass, you're going full-retard.

[The Soodean Imperium]

Lately I've been working on a set of uniforms for my forces, and this is what I have so far:

Left: Autumn Model Uniform
Right: Temperate Model Uniform

Before I use this as a template for more developed versions (i.e., officers, special forces, full battle dress), are there any glaring problems that will need fixing? My goal was to make it look dated, but still be adequate for modern combat.

[Imperializt Russia]

Saiga's pretty famous for stovepiping. Pretty sure people say it's from overburdening it with shit, and probably bump-firing too, but it's something to take a note of.

My Saiga-12 has had the occasional stovepipe during the break-in period, but that was still with low-brass. I've never had malfunctions with high brass of any kind. If your military is using low-brass, you're going full-retard.

Low brass, as in case stub with plastic shell?

[Dostanuot Loj]

Are combat shotguns really worth it thou? I mean, outside of heavy urban combat (which you would specifically prepare for) or very niche units like SWAT teams I don't see them getting much use beyond blasting doors open.

I've done quite a bit of training with trenchgun techniques, and personally think they are the way to go for assaulting.

That said, I issue shotguns as primary firearm to my infantry squads. Rifles, machine guns, etc, are specialist.
Now, a squad has a lot of specialist weapons, but that's beside the point.

[Bezombia]

I issue shotguns as primary firearm to my infantry squads.

Um...

[Spreewerke]

My Saiga-12 has had the occasional stovepipe during the break-in period, but that was still with low-brass. I've never had malfunctions with high brass of any kind. If your military is using low-brass, you're going full-retard.

Low brass, as in case stub with plastic shell?

Low brass:

High brass:

Are combat shotguns really worth it thou? I mean, outside of heavy urban combat (which you would specifically prepare for) or very niche units like SWAT teams I don't see them getting much use beyond blasting doors open.

I've done quite a bit of training with trenchgun techniques, and personally think they are the way to go for assaulting.

That said, I issue shotguns as primary firearm to my infantry squads. Rifles, machine guns, etc, are specialist.
Now, a squad has a lot of specialist weapons, but that's beside the point.

If you'd done training with them, you'd realize they aren't.

[Imperializt Russia]

Are combat shotguns really worth it thou? I mean, outside of heavy urban combat (which you would specifically prepare for) or very niche units like SWAT teams I don't see them getting much use beyond blasting doors open.

I've done quite a bit of training with trenchgun techniques, and personally think they are the way to go for assaulting.

That said, I issue shotguns as primary firearm to my infantry squads. Rifles, machine guns, etc, are specialist.
Now, a squad has a lot of specialist weapons, but that's beside the point.

Seems a peculiar conclusion to arrive at.

[San-Silvacian]

Loadout for SUPA-SAN SOLDIERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

HURRRR RIFLE, NS WORLD IS GOING TO BE FAGMAS UNTIL CAN MAKE OF FRENCHY BULLPUP SISSY WEAPON, OF TF WEAPON IS AVN-91, GLORIOUS ESTOVAKIAN RIFLE OF KALASHNIKOV DESIGN.

IN WORLD OF BOTH NS AND TF, RIFLEMANS USE GLORIOUS RIFLE GRENADES, HOWEVER IN WORLD OF NS, WITH USE OF SISSY FRENCH WEAPON RIFLE GRENADES, 40MM GRENADE LAUNCHER ARE OF ALSO USE. THIS IS FOR MAX FIRE TO MAKE SLIMY RUSSIAN AND DIRTY BROWN SHAKE IN BOOTS AND/OR FLIPPY FLOPPIES.

ALSO RIFLEMAN MAY ALSO BE OF EQUIPPED WITH AT4 IN NS, OR RPG-18/22 IN TF.

ASSORTED BULLSHIT GEAR ALSO IS ISSUED. VESTS AND HELMETS AND SHIT ARE GIVEN SO NOT KILLED TO DEATH BY BULLETS HITTING THE VEST OR HELMET. HIT IN ARM? YOU ARE FUCKED SHITCOCKER, NATURAL SELECTION AT WORK.

VIVA LA REVOLUTION/FUCK U ANTO SHITCOCKERS

[Bezombia]

Loadout for SUPA-SAN SOLDIERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

HURRRR RIFLE, NS WORLD IS GOING TO BE FAGMAS UNTIL CAN MAKE OF FRENCHY BULLPUP SISSY WEAPON, OF TF WEAPON IS AVN-91, GLORIOUS ESTOVAKIAN RIFLE OF KALASHNIKOV DESIGN.

IN WORLD OF BOTH NS AND TF, RIFLEMANS USE GLORIOUS RIFLE GRENADES, HOWEVER IN WORLD OF NS, WITH USE OF SISSY FRENCH WEAPON RIFLE GRENADES, 40MM GRENADE LAUNCHER ARE OF ALSO USE. THIS IS FOR MAX FIRE TO MAKE SLIMY RUSSIAN AND DIRTY BROWN SHAKE IN BOOTS AND/OR FLIPPY FLOPPIES.

ALSO RIFLEMAN MAY ALSO BE OF EQUIPPED WITH AT4 IN NS, OR RPG-18/22 IN TF.

ASSORTED BULLSHIT GEAR ALSO IS ISSUED. VESTS AND HELMETS AND SHIT ARE GIVEN SO NOT KILLED TO DEATH BY BULLETS HITTING THE VEST OR HELMET. HIT IN ARM? YOU ARE FUCKED SHITCOCKER, NATURAL SELECTION AT WORK.

VIVA LA REVOLUTION/FUCK U ANTO SHITCOCKERS

Welcome back, San.

[Spreewerke]

FUCK U ANTO SHITCOCKERS

DEATH TO ANTO. KURSK CONCORDS BEST CONCORDS.

[Ea90]

Are combat shotguns really worth it thou? I mean, outside of heavy urban combat (which you would specifically prepare for) or very niche units like SWAT teams I don't see them getting much use beyond blasting doors open.

I've done quite a bit of training with trenchgun techniques, and personally think they are the way to go for assaulting.

That said, I issue shotguns as primary firearm to my infantry squads. Rifles, machine guns, etc, are specialist.
Now, a squad has a lot of specialist weapons, but that's beside the point.

I was under the impression that, even with slugs, shotguns are ineffective at even short (100m) ranges.
Do you only expect to engage in ultrashort-distance combat, or what?

[Bezombia]

I've done quite a bit of training with trenchgun techniques, and personally think they are the way to go for assaulting.

That said, I issue shotguns as primary firearm to my infantry squads. Rifles, machine guns, etc, are specialist.
Now, a squad has a lot of specialist weapons, but that's beside the point.

I was under the impression that, even with slugs, shotguns are ineffective at even short (100m) ranges.
Do you only expect to engage in ultrashort-distance combat, or what?

I've heard very different from this thread's regulars.
I've heard that normal buckshot is acceptably accurate to 150m, and slugs extend that to over 200.

[Spreewerke]

I was under the impression that, even with slugs, shotguns are ineffective at even short (100m) ranges.
Do you only expect to engage in ultrashort-distance combat, or what?

I've heard very different from this thread's regulars.
I've heard that normal buckshot is acceptably accurate to 150m, and slugs extend that to over 200.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9M4Vo-8DAo

Killzone on a human is approx. a ten-inch circle (head/chest-contained vitals).

[Purpelia]

Random question. OICW style gun made out of a 12 gauge saiga and an AK = ultimate close quarters urban warfare operator gun?

[Bezombia]

I've heard very different from this thread's regulars.
I've heard that normal buckshot is acceptably accurate to 150m, and slugs extend that to over 200.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9M4Vo-8DAo

Killzone on a human is approx. a ten-inch circle (head/chest-contained vitals).

Huh.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Random question. OICW style gun made out of a 12 gauge saiga and an AK = ultimate close quarters urban warfare operator gun?

It'd be easier, lighter, and more cost effective to just have an underslung shotty.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Question!

Is CTA ammunition any more expensive to produce than the standard?

I'm looking at a companion rifle for the Arch G11. Something cheap, and slightly more conventional. I'm thinking bullpup Kalashnikov thing firing a non caseless 3.92x30mm round.

[Imperializt Russia]

Random question. OICW style gun made out of a 12 gauge saiga and an AK = ultimate close quarters urban warfare operator gun?

80.002
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80.002

Just upscale from 12.7mm launcher to 12ga. With difficulty.

[Premislyd]

Too big for NS

Name: StG-55 (Stormgevær Model 1955; "Assault rifle, model of the year 1955)
Origin: High Kingdom of Estovnia
Designer: Ragnar Thorikssen
Manufacturer: Skrattafell Arms Forge
Produced: 1954-Present
In service: 1955-Present
Cost: $425
Weight: 4.00 kg
Length: 1100 mm
Barrel length: 545 mm
Cartridge: 8.72x66mm Jegermanjensen
Action: Roller-delayed blowback
Rate of fire: 520 rpm
Effective range: 1000+ m with optics
Feed system: 20 round detachable box magazine
Sights: Front post, rear aperture

[Sevvania]

What did I just find.

[Imperializt Russia]

At a guess, a grenade-launching M44 Mosin.