NS infantry discussion thread. Mark II

by **The balkens** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:03 pm

Bezombia wrote:
The balkens wrote:
The arisaka, that's my opinion anyway.

7.7x58 is not underpowered by any definition, unless you're comparing it to the PTRD or something.

And by modern standards? That type 100 had the same cartridge did it?

by **Fordorsia** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:05 pm

The balkens wrote:
Gallia- wrote:
The Arisaka is grossly superior to Nazi garbage Mauser.

I prefer a rifle then a spear that just so happens to be a under powered rifle.

I'd say the Arisaka's widely-accepted unbreakability more than makes up for it being supposedly underpowered.

by **Bezombia** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:05 pm

The balkens wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
7.7x58 is not underpowered by any definition, unless you're comparing it to the PTRD or something.

And by modern standards?

Everything was/will be considered weak if you take it out of context. Might as well say the Mosin-Nagant's too weak because in 1891 it was less powerful than an SVDK is now.

That type 100 had the same cartridge did it?

The SMG? No, of course not. The Type-100 fired a pistol cartridge.

by **The balkens** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:07 pm

Bezombia wrote:
The balkens wrote:
And by modern standards?

Everything was/will be considered weak if you take it out of context. Might as well say the Mosin-Nagant's too weak because in 1891 it was less powerful than an SVDK is now.

That type 100 had the same cartridge did it?

The SMG? No, of course not. The Type-100 fired a pistol cartridge.

DAMN IT.

by **Fordorsia** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:08 pm

Bezombia wrote:
The balkens wrote:
And by modern standards?

Everything was/will be considered weak if you take it out of context. Might as well say the Mosin-Nagant's too weak because in 1891 it was less powerful than an SVDK is now.

That type 100 had the same cartridge did it?

The SMG? No, of course not. The Type-100 fired a pistol cartridge.

I think he's referring to the Type-99 LMG, which did.

by **The balkens** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:09 pm

Fordorsia wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
Everything was/will be considered weak if you take it out of context. Might as well say the Mosin-Nagant's too weak because in 1891 it was less powerful than an SVDK is now.

The SMG? No, of course not. The Type-100 fired a pistol cartridge.

I think he's referring to the Type-99 LMG, which did.

I was also referring to the SMG....
I thought they all fired the same round... :palm:

by **Bezombia** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:09 pm

Also I'm fairly certain that if you give 7.7x58 some modern powder it'd outperform 7.62x51 NATO.

by **Immoren** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:10 pm

Bezombia wrote:
The balkens wrote:
The arisaka, that's my opinion anyway.

7.7x58 is not underpowered by any definition, unless you're comparing it to the PTRD or something.

He might be refering to 6.5×50mmSR.
Although I've no experience if it's "underpowered" or not.

by **Bezombia** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:11 pm

Immoren wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
7.7x58 is not underpowered by any definition, unless you're comparing it to the PTRD or something.

He might be refering to 6.5×50mmSR.
Although I've no experience if it's "underpowered" or not.

Apparently he was referring to 8x22mm.

by **The balkens** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:12 pm

Bezombia wrote:Also I'm fairly certain that if you give 7.7x58 some modern powder it'd outperform 7.62x51 NATO.

I don't think NATO would give up on its heavy round.

by **Immoren** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:14 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Immoren wrote:
He might be refering to 6.5×50mmSR.
Although I've no experience if it's "underpowered" or not.

Apparently he was referring to 8x22mm.

Well there's your prolblem.

by **Mozria** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:15 pm

Mozria wrote:What kind of a mechanism is it in which the bolt handle for a bullpup bolt-action rifle is extended by way of an attached arm to being on the forend of the firearm? I know I've seen this before on something. I think it was an AMR, but I'm unsure about that.

by **Bratislavskaya** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:16 pm

Bezombia wrote:Also I'm fairly certain that if you give 7.7x58 some modern powder it'd outperform 7.62x51 NATO.

If I'm not mistaken 7.7x58 is very similar to .303, I know it could be fired from Lee Enfields at least.

by **San-Silvacian** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:18 pm

Immoren wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
7.7x58 is not underpowered by any definition, unless you're comparing it to the PTRD or something.

He might be refering to 6.5×50mmSR.
Although I've no experience if it's "underpowered" or not.

US Marines and the Chinese would beg to differ that its underpowered.

by **Immoren** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:20 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:
Immoren wrote:
He might be refering to 6.5×50mmSR.
Although I've no experience if it's "underpowered" or not.

US Marines and the Chinese would beg to differ that its underpowered.

I believe their judgment.

by **Puzikas** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:23 pm

Bratislavskaya wrote:
Bezombia wrote:Also I'm fairly certain that if you give 7.7x58 some modern powder it'd outperform 7.62x51 NATO.

If I'm not mistaken 7.7x58 is very similar to .303, I know it could be fired from Lee Enfields at least.

7.7x58 and .303 are very similar to one another, yes.

Edit to add: 7.7x58 and 6.5 SR arent underpowered.

by **Bezombia** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:44 pm

Bratislavskaya wrote:
Bezombia wrote:Also I'm fairly certain that if you give 7.7x58 some modern powder it'd outperform 7.62x51 NATO.

If I'm not mistaken 7.7x58 is very similar to .303, I know it could be fired from Lee Enfields at least.

IIRC they could even use the same bullet

by **The balkens** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:56 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Bratislavskaya wrote:If I'm not mistaken 7.7x58 is very similar to .303, I know it could be fired from Lee Enfields at least.

IIRC they could even use the same bullet

Same as the sten and most German SMGs.

I find that rather neat.

by **Bezombia** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:58 pm

The balkens wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
IIRC they could even use the same bullet

Same as the sten and most German SMGs.

I find that rather neat.

...well the sten and the MP40 were using the same exact cartridge (9x19 Parabellum) so that really isn't that surprising

by **The balkens** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 2:03 pm

Bezombia wrote:
The balkens wrote:
Same as the sten and most German SMGs.

I find that rather neat.

...well the sten and the MP40 were using the same exact cartridge (9x19 Parabellum) so that really isn't that surprising

Which I believe was on purpose. Why make your own ammo when you could burn through the enemies?

Which brings me the AK74 series. It fires the 5.56 NATO, right?

by **Bezombia** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 2:03 pm

The balkens wrote:Which brings me the AK74 series. It fires the 5.56 NATO, right?

No, it most certainly doesn't.

by **Mozria** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 2:04 pm

The balkens wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
...well the sten and the MP40 were using the same exact cartridge (9x19 Parabellum) so that really isn't that surprising

Which I believe was on purpose. Why make your own ammo when you could burn through the enemies?

Which brings me the AK74 series. It fires the 5.56 NATO, right?

Heresy!

WHY FIRE SISSY WESTERN 5.56 x 45 WHEN CAN USE STRONK RUSSIAN AMMO?

It uses 5.45 x 39 mm.

by **The balkens** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 2:08 pm

Bezombia wrote:
The balkens wrote:Which brings me the AK74 series. It fires the 5.56 NATO, right?

No, it most certainly doesn't.

Whoops...wrong model. Sorry!

Or rather the new AK-12s. One variant, I believe fires the 5.56.

by **Bezombia** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 2:09 pm

The balkens wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
No, it most certainly doesn't.

Whoops...wrong model. Sorry!

Or rather the new AK-12s. One variant, I believe fires the 5.56.

The AK-12 is all over the place in regards to caliber.

Also of note is the AK-101, AK-102, AK-108, and RPK-201, all of which fire 5.56x45mm NATO.

by **The balkens** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 2:11 pm

Bezombia wrote:
The balkens wrote:
Whoops...wrong model. Sorry!

Or rather the new AK-12s. One variant, I believe fires the 5.56.

The AK-12 is all over the place in regards to caliber.

Also of note is the AK-101, AK-102, AK-108, and RPK-201, all of which fire 5.56x45mm NATO.

Which brings up the same question: why make your own ammo when you could be using the enemies?

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