NS infantry discussion thread. Mark II

[Aethal]

There's nothing wrong with the AKs internal simplicity as it stands now. Different manufacturing for different reasons in the rifles purposes is why the VSS family is different. Parts as made on AK machines however can also be used in the construction of the VAL.

That I'm sure of. I was just thinking of what the bare.minimum was for an AK rifle in terms if parts. This would have a cut down fire selector (safe or huehuehue) it would have only one gas setting. Most basic of wire stocks and no folding mechanism. No Upper hanguard. Anything else I can remove?

Give the thing a Sten gun style grip (early model), maybe stamped steel components with visible weld-lines. All that crude crap, fuck, maybe take a hint from the "troubles" in Northern Ireland, go all chair-leg derived for receiver bits, ect.


Just chucking concept bits n' bobs out there, do what ye' will.

[Purpelia]

Anyone?

Speaking of getting it I need you guys to evaluate the operating system I designed for my semi-auto only design.
Flash

Basically it's a simple three piece system consisting of a front sear, trigger and a connecting rod. The front sear consists of two subcomponents, the metal arch which connects to the trigger and the cocking piece. These are part of a single machined assembly, but are considered separate. The connecting rod is hinged on the trigger and can turn actuating and disengaging from the front sear arch in a procedure identical to the one described in this video. The cocking piece has a sloped top surface, similar to the one used for the connecting piece in that video. As the trigger is pressed the cocking piece arches backward until the slope becomes horizontally aligned at which point there is nothing pushing on the sear any more and it can fire.

So, do you think it works?

PS. Yes, I know about the visual bug where the trigger assembly seems to skip down when the bolt is recoiling. I'll fix that later. Ignore it for now.

[Bezombia]

Redoeing my M2013 loading on the grounds of I never actually did it in the first place.

http://www.geoffrey-kolbe.com/cgi-bin/d ... nsity=10.4

Am I doing this right? Looks sound to me but there are people in this thread more well versed in this than I am.

Going for 100gr bullet, everything else is generally up for variation if required

Fixed.

I've given it a thin steel jacket just to reduce weight.

Thanks!

I'm having a strangely hard time finding bullet lengths for the M193 (which was used in a caseless cartridge once), but I've noticed that the G11's bullet pretty much takes up the entire length of the cartridge other than the booster. Is there a mechanical reason for this and is it something that I should generally be keeping to?

That I'm sure of. I was just thinking of what the bare.minimum was for an AK rifle in terms if parts. This would have a cut down fire selector (safe or huehuehue) it would have only one gas setting. Most basic of wire stocks and no folding mechanism. No Upper hanguard. Anything else I can remove?

Give the thing a Sten gun style grip (early model), maybe stamped steel components with visible weld-lines. All that crude crap, fuck, maybe take a hint from the "troubles" in Northern Ireland, go all chair-leg derived for receiver bits, ect.


Just chucking concept bits n' bobs out there, do what ye' will.

Or do this:

[Chedastan]

How's this mechanized squad setup?

Including the crew in this as well because why not.

[Aqizithiuda]

And now a 6x43mm cartridge.

Cartridge
Projectile
Internal Ballistics
External Ballistics

Weight per cartridge = 15.55g
Cartridges per kilogram = 64
Recoil Energy (8.8lb rifle) = 4.9 ft/lbs
Recoil Velocity (8.8lb rifle) = 6 ft/s
kj/kg @ 500 metres = 47.571
kj/kg @ 1000 metres = 15.948

Also, Krupp's Tank Formula results for the rounds listed so far:

5.56x45mm = 3.632mm @ 500 metres, 1.671mm @ 100 metres
6x43mm = 5.23mm @ 500 metres, 2.3mm @ 1000 metres.
7x39mm = 4.554mm @ 500 metres, 2.448mm @ 1000 metres
7.62x39mm = 5.096mm @ 500 metres, 2.479mm @ 1000 metres

Fixed.

I've given it a thin steel jacket just to reduce weight.

Thanks!

I'm having a strangely hard time finding bullet lengths for the M193 (which was used in a caseless cartridge once), but I've noticed that the G11's bullet pretty much takes up the entire length of the cartridge other than the booster. Is there a mechanical reason for this and is it something that I should generally be keeping to?

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infa ... 3_ball.gif

It's to take advantage of the booster and minimize overall length. You'll find the same thing with any 5.56mm caseless rounds (that the projectile forms a significant length of the cartridge).

[Bezombia]

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/rifle/5.56mm/556mm_M193_ball.gif

It's to take advantage of the booster and minimize overall length. You'll find the same thing with any 5.56mm caseless rounds (that the projectile forms a significant length of the cartridge).

Well, that's interesting. If Wikipedia is to be trusted, the C30R used a normal M193 bullet but had a 36mm long cartridge...unless the booster takes up 16mm of oal.

[Aqizithiuda]

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/rifle/5.56mm/556mm_M193_ball.gif

It's to take advantage of the booster and minimize overall length. You'll find the same thing with any 5.56mm caseless rounds (that the projectile forms a significant length of the cartridge).

Well, that's interesting. If Wikipedia is to be trusted, the C30R used a normal M193 bullet but had a 36mm long cartridge...unless the booster takes up 16mm of oal.

Don't trust anything on the C30R that's on wiki. What they list doesn't mesh too well with the patent drawings.

[Bezombia]

Well, that's interesting. If Wikipedia is to be trusted, the C30R used a normal M193 bullet but had a 36mm long cartridge...unless the booster takes up 16mm of oal.

Don't trust anything on the C30R that's on wiki. What they list doesn't mesh too well with the patent drawings.

I see. So is there any data as to the length of its cartridge?

[Aqizithiuda]

Don't trust anything on the C30R that's on wiki. What they list doesn't mesh too well with the patent drawings.

I see. So is there any data as to the length of its cartridge?

Not that I'm aware of.

[New Visegrad]

So yeah remember the BS-M-109 Recurve? I was bored so I submitted it to the imgur gallery, since it was well-received here.
Within 5 minutes there was a comment saying, and I quote, "stick it up your ass and pull the trigger". I do not understand.

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On another note, a question. What would a...let's say 8-strong cloud of 15mm guided missiles be effective against, assuming explosives not massively better than MT? I ask since there's a missile launcher attachment for PANTHER armour, and I want to know whether I can use the swarm variant as an AT option, instead of having a separate larger-calibre version.

[Spreewerke]

There's nothing wrong with the AKs internal simplicity as it stands now. Different manufacturing for different reasons in the rifles purposes is why the VSS family is different. Parts as made on AK machines however can also be used in the construction of the VAL.

That I'm sure of. I was just thinking of what the bare.minimum was for an AK rifle in terms if parts. This would have a cut down fire selector (safe or huehuehue) it would have only one gas setting. Most basic of wire stocks and no folding mechanism. No Upper hanguard. Anything else I can remove?

AMD-65.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Or do this:

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Ah yes. The alter of Kalash. I have one in my closet, next to the satanic bible, and a stack of dirty magazines.

[Aqizithiuda]

So yeah remember the BS-M-109 Recurve? I was bored so I submitted it to the imgur gallery, since it was well-received here.
Within 5 minutes there was a comment saying, and I quote, "stick it up your ass and pull the trigger". I do not understand.

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On another note, a question. What would a...let's say 8-strong cloud of 15mm guided missiles be effective against, assuming explosives not massively better than MT? I ask since there's a missile launcher attachment for PANTHER armour, and I want to know whether I can use the swarm variant as an AT option, instead of having a separate larger-calibre version.

Assuming super awesome optimisation, liner design and better explosives than now, maybe they could each penetrate 120mm of armour (but more probably less than 84mm). So, light APCs, power armour, etc.

[Puzikas]

Or do this:

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Ah yes. The alter of Kalash. I have one in my closet, next to the satanic bible, and a stack of dirty magazines.

The Stoly kills it for me because its not made in Russia.
Yes I have an open bottle next to me, and yes, I checked

[Coltarin]

So yeah remember the BS-M-109 Recurve? I was bored so I submitted it to the imgur gallery, since it was well-received here.
Within 5 minutes there was a comment saying, and I quote, "stick it up your ass and pull the trigger". I do not understand.

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On another note, a question. What would a...let's say 8-strong cloud of 15mm guided missiles be effective against, assuming explosives not massively better than MT? I ask since there's a missile launcher attachment for PANTHER armour, and I want to know whether I can use the swarm variant as an AT option, instead of having a separate larger-calibre version.

They aren't like us or dA for that matter. You may be running into the "muh chilluns" crowd or just a dick.

[New Tsavon]

So yeah remember the BS-M-109 Recurve? I was bored so I submitted it to the imgur gallery, since it was well-received here.
Within 5 minutes there was a comment saying, and I quote, "stick it up your ass and pull the trigger". I do not understand.

What a cunt. Link?

I would answer your question, but, it seems Aquiz beat me to it.

[Coltarin]

So I gave mp space pistol a fire selector/safety of sorts and added two common types of ammo HE and AP.

[Aethal]

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So I gave mp space pistol a fire selector/safety of sorts and added two common types of ammo HE and AP.

It needs some sort of under-barrel 20mm (or 15mm) flechette launcher of some sort. Like, have you seen that "Elysian Trooper" bloke on DA? The underbarrel rig on this thing is badass: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Elysian-PDW-Project-closed-333379422

Totally up to you of course, otherwise, that thing is snazzy.

[Coltarin]

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So I gave mp space pistol a fire selector/safety of sorts and added two common types of ammo HE and AP.

It needs some sort of under-barrel 20mm (or 15mm) flechette launcher of some sort. Like, have you seen that "Elysian Trooper" bloke on DA? The underbarrel rig on this thing is badass: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Elysian-PDW-Project-closed-333379422

Totally up to you of course, otherwise, that thing is snazzy.

I want this to be the pistol everyone has. It's meant to be like a glock, cheap (relatively), reliable and a treasure trove of aftermarket accessories. So while there may be one that has that special launcher the base model (this one) won't. It also has an applied safety, can fire full auto.

[Aethal]

It needs some sort of under-barrel 20mm (or 15mm) flechette launcher of some sort. Like, have you seen that "Elysian Trooper" bloke on DA? The underbarrel rig on this thing is badass: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Elysian-PDW-Project-closed-333379422

Totally up to you of course, otherwise, that thing is snazzy.

I want this to be the pistol everyone has. It's meant to be like a glock, cheap (relatively), reliable and a treasure trove of aftermarket accessories. So while there may be one that has that special launcher the base model (this one) won't. It also has an applied safety, can fire full auto.

Snazzy.

[United states of brazilian nations]

it is done, people. most hilarious cap badge in history.

thread is over. bail out and evacuate. what have i done, this is utter silliness and stupidity

[Coltarin]

I want this to be the pistol everyone has. It's meant to be like a glock, cheap (relatively), reliable and a treasure trove of aftermarket accessories. So while there may be one that has that special launcher the base model (this one) won't. It also has an applied safety, can fire full auto.

Snazzy.

I actually have this thing where one of the larger bounty hunter guilds will hand this out with a started kit for new members.

[Nua Corda]

it is done, people. most hilarious cap badge in history.
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thread is over. bail out and evacuate. what have i done, this is utter silliness and stupidity

I think I shat my pants...

[Yes Im Biop]

it is done, people. most hilarious cap badge in history.
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thread is over. bail out and evacuate. what have i done, this is utter silliness and stupidity

The flying fuck?

[Premislyd]

Pistol cartridge



With a pistol to go with it.