NS infantry discussion thread. Mark II

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Bah! Is only acceptable machine pistol!
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*Drooling intensifies*

Yes sir! All the swag of a Block 18 in a package barely larger than a Block 26!

Buy yours today!

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[Bezombia]

It's more than general pedantry, because calling them "silencers" is, in many cases, fundamentally untrue and fosters unrealistic expectations.
And calling them suppressors would be true in all cases.

IIRC corda made a nagant based revolver that used ammunition based off of the soviet silent pistol ammo and had a integral suppressor. For that thing in single action and no one would hear a thing.

Closest to "absolutely silent" a silencer has ever gotten was the Mk. 22, which had a slight lock to prevent the movement of the slide (which makes noise), and also had a silencer larger then the gun itself.

[Imperializt Russia]

It's more than general pedantry, because calling them "silencers" is, in many cases, fundamentally untrue and fosters unrealistic expectations.
And calling them suppressors would be true in all cases.

IIRC corda made a nagant based revolver that used ammunition based off of the soviet silent pistol ammo and had a integral suppressor. For that thing in single action and no one would hear a thing.

There are plenty of cases, especially with handgun ammunition and special cold loads of other munitions where suppressors are capable of "silencing". As well as the various novel silent cartridges and the Nagant's gas sealing.

Many others aren't.

[Imperializt Russia]

IIRC corda made a nagant based revolver that used ammunition based off of the soviet silent pistol ammo and had a integral suppressor. For that thing in single action and no one would hear a thing.

Closest to "absolutely silent" a silencer has ever gotten was the Mk. 22, which had a slight lock to prevent the movement of the slide (which makes noise), and also had a silencer larger then the gun itself.

And note that slide locks are unrelated to suppressors.
The Sten's suppressor had "totally silent" beat by more than a decade and others probably beat it.

[Black Hand]

IIRC corda made a nagant based revolver that used ammunition based off of the soviet silent pistol ammo and had a integral suppressor. For that thing in single action and no one would hear a thing.

There are plenty of cases, especially with handgun ammunition and special cold loads of other munitions where suppressors are capable of "silencing". As well as the various novel silent cartridges and the Nagant's gas sealing.

Many others aren't.

Agreed. Useful to make a gunshot not sound like a gunshot the next village over though. @beno. PSS? I think that's the soviet answer

[Bezombia]

There are plenty of cases, especially with handgun ammunition and special cold loads of other munitions where suppressors are capable of "silencing". As well as the various novel silent cartridges and the Nagant's gas sealing.

Many others aren't.

Agreed. Useful to make a gunshot not sound like a gunshot the next village over though. @beno. PSS? I think that's the soviet answer

PSS still had slide sounds.

See also: 6P9

[Aqizithiuda]

Since when has that bothered NS?

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Sometimes it sucks when you're right, Aqiz.

I think someone once calculated that a 27 grain projectile would have a 900 m/s muzzle velocity from a 10" barrel if loaded to rifle pressures.

[Black Hand]

Agreed. Useful to make a gunshot not sound like a gunshot the next village over though. @beno. PSS? I think that's the soviet answer

PSS still had slide sounds.

See also: 6P9

but the PSS was quieter firing noise. Add slide lock. Bam done. And if PTS airsoft blowbacks are anything to go by slide noise isn't terribly loud.(sheriff's office and airsoft. Who knew?)

[Spreewerke]

Unless you can silence the firing pin striking the primer itself, you're not going to have a totally silent weapon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiBaQibw4QI

[Imperializt Russia]

Slide noise is however distinctive, and if your weapon no longer makes a bang, then it's the loudest sound the weapon makes.

[Spreewerke]

Slide noise is however distinctive, and if your weapon no longer makes a bang, then it's the loudest sound the weapon makes.

Alternatively: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnU_QKoGzJM

Note that trigger reset will also be audible to some extent.

[Morganutopia]

SMLE: 1907–1940
M1 Garand 1940–1959
G31959–now(reserves)
HK33 1968 - now(reserves)
TAR-21 2001–present

[Bezombia]

SMLE: 1907–1940
M1 Garand 1940–1959
G31959–now(reserves)
HK33 1968 - now(reserves)
TAR-21 2001–present

+1 for G3 and HK33

[Triplebaconation]

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Sometimes it sucks when you're right, Aqiz.

I think someone once calculated that a 27 grain projectile would have a 900 m/s muzzle velocity from a 10" barrel if loaded to rifle pressures.

The dinkiest gas-operated weapon I know of is .17 HMR, unless you count floating chambers.

5.7mm is slightly less dinky so it should work.

[Fordorsia]

*Drooling intensifies*

Yes sir! All the swag of a Block 18 in a package barely larger than a Block 26!

Buy yours today!

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What military is this, and why are they all women?

[The Republic of Lanos]

Yes sir! All the swag of a Block 18 in a package barely larger than a Block 26!

Buy yours today!

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What military is this, and why are they all women?

Cypriot National Guard?

[Imperializt Russia]

The url says "FAP", so I'm guessing Peruvian Air Force (or Peruvian Armed Forces) from a cursory Google.
Wiki claims they only issue the AKM to airborne units, so make of that what you will.

The url also says "FN F2000" so who knows what it's of.

[Fordorsia]

Is it a normal thing to separate genders on parade?

[Imperializt Russia]

Is it a normal thing to separate genders on parade?

If your units are separated, of course.

[Fordorsia]

Is it a normal thing to separate genders on parade?

If your units are separated, of course.

A unit of just women? I doubt that would be a thing today.

In other news. I'll be redoing my GPMG's now/soon. Seeing as though I used the NotM1919, would there be any feasible/practical way of modernizing it enough to be used as a proper GPMG instead of adopting a whole new weapon?

[Imperializt Russia]

If your units are separated, of course.

A unit of just women? I doubt that would be a thing today.

Well, it is Peru.

[Bratislavskaya]

A unit of just women? I doubt that would be a thing today.

So I guess you have never seen the Chinese army then?

[Spreewerke]

A unit of just women? I doubt that would be a thing today.

So I guess you have never seen the Chinese army then?

There are women in China?

[Gallia-]

A unit of just women? I doubt that would be a thing today.

Well, it is Peru.

It was in Libya.

[Mozria]

Could SP-4-ish captive piston system be usable in rifle cartridges? I think it would be interesting to have a silent bolt-action carbine for stealthily eliminating sentries and such.