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Coltarin wrote:

Bezombia wrote:
No threaded barrel for attaching of silencers and other muzzle devices?

Suppressors.

When they were first invented, they were marketed as silencers.

Saying that they're suppressors is like saying that bullets are actually projectiles. Is it true? Absolutely. Is either of them wrong? Nope.




Mk. 22 Mod 0 "Hush Puppy" silent pistol

Bezombia wrote:

Coltarin wrote:Suppressors.

When they were first invented, they were marketed as silencers.

Saying that they're suppressors is like saying that bullets are actually projectiles. Is it true? Absolutely. Is either of them wrong? Nope.

It's the same as saying AK-47

Coltarin wrote:

Bezombia wrote:When they were first invented, they were marketed as silencers.

Saying that they're suppressors is like saying that bullets are actually projectiles. Is it true? Absolutely. Is either of them wrong? Nope.

It's the same as saying AK-47

Not really. That's misleading, because usually when people say that they're referring to something else. Silencer versus suppressors just two different names for the same thing, not two different things.

Nua Corda wrote:People from Phoenix are Phoenicians

Nonsense. Phoenicians are from Phoenicia.

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:

Aqizithiuda wrote:The 4.6x33mm already operates at around 50kpsi, while the 5.7x28mm operates at around 35kpsi, with really hot handloads getting up to around the 40kpsi mark.

Eh, is true.

Don't 5.7 loads have to be careful with how hot they are because of the case shape and the fact that the P90 is direct blowback?

Chrome on my One X has similar, albeit inconsistent, problems.

It seems Chrome's a fiddlier beast than I'd realized.

Yes, but who says you can't use the 5.7 in a gas op weapon like the 4.6?

Mozria wrote:

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Link to the actual bullet design?

http://www.geoffrey-kolbe.com/cgi-bin/drag_working.cgi?diameter=7.88&length=32&nose=18&meplat=1&drive_band=7.88&base_diameter=6&angle=&boat_tail=6&secant_radius=&unit_length=mm.&bullet_name=Scnaussen-Rimmer+M.23&weight=&weight_unit=grains&density=11.4&custom_density=&boundary_layer=L%2FT

Fixed the diameter (to represent diameter prior to going through the bore), meplat diameter (to >0.15 calibers) and the specific gravity (lead core projectiles with copper jackets are approximately 10.4).

Aqizithiuda wrote:Yes, but who says you can't use the 5.7 in a gas op weapon like the 4.6?

Says the current lack of gas operated weapons chambered in the 5.7mm?

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:Bah! Is only acceptable machine pistol!
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*Drooling intensifies*

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:Bah! Is only acceptable machine pistol!
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Everyone knows that the only acceptable machine pistol is the Mosin-Nagant.

Bezombia wrote:

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:Bah! Is only acceptable machine pistol!
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Everyone knows that the only acceptable machine pistol is the Mosin-Nagant.

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The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:

Aqizithiuda wrote:Yes, but who says you can't use the 5.7 in a gas op weapon like the 4.6?

Says the current lack of gas operated weapons chambered in the 5.7mm?

Since when has that bothered NS?

Keev-Nyugen M1895. Standard rifle. Click for full size.



Keev-Nyugen M1895/33 carbine. Short version, started to supplement the M1895 in standard infantry roles in 1933.



Keev-Nyugen M1895/38 "Superobrez". Extremely short version, originally intended to serve as a sort of "in-between" of the M1895/33 and the standard pistol. Didn't really work out.

Coltarin wrote:

Bezombia wrote:When they were first invented, they were marketed as silencers.

Saying that they're suppressors is like saying that bullets are actually projectiles. Is it true? Absolutely. Is either of them wrong? Nope.

It's the same as saying AK-47

Nothing wrong with calling it that. It's only a recent thing that people started getting so anal about it anyways.

Side-mounted magazines? Krag-Jorgenson rifle calling.

The Republic of Lanos wrote:Side-mounted magazines? Krag-Jorgenson rifle calling.

It has a Krag-Jorgenson style magazine, yes.

In Fessleria, we have three main weapons. The AUG, the Galil, and the AWP. That being said, there are many other weapons in use, for in the Fesslerian military if you show exceptional skill in a weapon you are permitted to use it. For our main sidearm, we have a Desert Eagle or a Beretta. Once again, if you show exceptional talent in a sidearm you are permitted to use it.

Our body armor is mainly made of kevlar to ensure pretty nice protection at the least.

We have many different uniforms depending on the terrain, but generally we use cotton with no patches, as we find patches to be unnecessary. Every uniform is unique, as we use a method of splatter painting colors depending on terrain. For example, in a jungle there are many greens and browns, but in a snowy environment there is a lot of white.

Our infantry units are all equipped with walkie talkies, ear phones, and a cell phone for communications.

For transportation, we generally use Hum-vees.

Fessleria wrote:In Fessleria, we have three main weapons. The AUG, the Galil, and the AWP. That being said, there are many other weapons in use, for in the Fesslerian military if you show exceptional skill in a weapon you are permitted to use it. For our main sidearm, we have a Desert Eagle or a Beretta. Once again, if you show exceptional talent in a sidearm you are permitted to use it.

Our body armor is mainly made of kevlar to ensure pretty nice protection at the least.

We have many different uniforms depending on the terrain, but generally we use cotton with no patches, as we find patches to be unnecessary. Every uniform is unique, as we use a method of splatter painting colors depending on terrain. For example, in a jungle there are many greens and browns, but in a snowy environment there is a lot of white.

Our infantry units are all equipped with walkie talkies, ear phones, and a cell phone for communications.

For transportation, we generally use Hum-vees.

So you have two 5.56x45 rifles that don't really offer anything special compared to the other, and the Desert Eagle which has absolutely no use as a military weapon.

Bezombia wrote:

Fessleria wrote:In Fessleria, we have three main weapons. The AUG, the Galil, and the AWP. That being said, there are many other weapons in use, for in the Fesslerian military if you show exceptional skill in a weapon you are permitted to use it. For our main sidearm, we have a Desert Eagle or a Beretta. Once again, if you show exceptional talent in a sidearm you are permitted to use it.

Our body armor is mainly made of kevlar to ensure pretty nice protection at the least.

We have many different uniforms depending on the terrain, but generally we use cotton with no patches, as we find patches to be unnecessary. Every uniform is unique, as we use a method of splatter painting colors depending on terrain. For example, in a jungle there are many greens and browns, but in a snowy environment there is a lot of white.

Our infantry units are all equipped with walkie talkies, ear phones, and a cell phone for communications.

For transportation, we generally use Hum-vees.

So you have two 5.56x45 rifles that don't really offer anything special compared to the other, and the Desert Eagle which has absolutely no use as a military weapon.

Yup.

Fessleria wrote:In Fessleria, we have three main weapons. The AUG, the Galil, and the AWP. That being said, there are many other weapons in use, for in the Fesslerian military if you show exceptional skill in a weapon you are permitted to use it. For our main sidearm, we have a Desert Eagle or a Beretta. Once again, if you show exceptional talent in a sidearm you are permitted to use it.

Our body armor is mainly made of kevlar to ensure pretty nice protection at the least.

We have many different uniforms depending on the terrain, but generally we use cotton with no patches, as we find patches to be unnecessary. Every uniform is unique, as we use a method of splatter painting colors depending on terrain. For example, in a jungle there are many greens and browns, but in a snowy environment there is a lot of white.

Our infantry units are all equipped with walkie talkies, ear phones, and a cell phone for communications.

For transportation, we generally use Hum-vees.

While personally, I have no problem with you doing this (it is your nation after all), just be prepared to get some people to try to "yell" at you for doing your thing "wrong."

Fessleria wrote:In Fessleria, we have three main weapons. The AUG, the Galil, and the AWP. That being said, there are many other weapons in use, for in the Fesslerian military if you show exceptional skill in a weapon you are permitted to use it. For our main sidearm, we have a Desert Eagle or a Beretta. Once again, if you show exceptional talent in a sidearm you are permitted to use it.

Our body armor is mainly made of kevlar to ensure pretty nice protection at the least.

We have many different uniforms depending on the terrain, but generally we use cotton with no patches, as we find patches to be unnecessary. Every uniform is unique, as we use a method of splatter painting colors depending on terrain. For example, in a jungle there are many greens and browns, but in a snowy environment there is a lot of white.

Our infantry units are all equipped with walkie talkies, ear phones, and a cell phone for communications.

For transportation, we generally use Hum-vees.

I guess those cell phones are kind of cell phone type you can use as transmitter-receiver radio/walkie-talkie.

Mauser Volkspistole rechambered in 5.7x28 for all kinds of slightly more gloriousness than the Five-seveN

Aqizithiuda wrote:Since when has that bothered NS?

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Sometimes it sucks when you're right, Aqiz.

Fessleria wrote:In Fessleria, we have three main weapons. The AUG, the Galil, and the AWP. That being said, there are many other weapons in use, for in the Fesslerian military if you show exceptional skill in a weapon you are permitted to use it. For our main sidearm, we have a Desert Eagle or a Beretta. Once again, if you show exceptional talent in a sidearm you are permitted to use it.

Our body armor is mainly made of kevlar to ensure pretty nice protection at the least.

We have many different uniforms depending on the terrain, but generally we use cotton with no patches, as we find patches to be unnecessary. Every uniform is unique, as we use a method of splatter painting colors depending on terrain. For example, in a jungle there are many greens and browns, but in a snowy environment there is a lot of white.

Our infantry units are all equipped with walkie talkies, ear phones, and a cell phone for communications.

For transportation, we generally use Hum-vees.

All sounds pretty good. Though that Desert eagle has no business as a sidearm maybe for high ranking officers As a status symbol but not anyone else. Also do I detect a Counter strike player here?

Bezombia wrote:

Coltarin wrote:Suppressors.

When they were first invented, they were marketed as silencers.

Saying that they're suppressors is like saying that bullets are actually projectiles. Is it true? Absolutely. Is either of them wrong? Nope.




Mk. 22 Mod 0 "Hush Puppy" silent pistol

It's more than general pedantry, because calling them "silencers" is, in many cases, fundamentally untrue and fosters unrealistic expectations.
And calling them suppressors would be true in all cases.

Kouralia wrote:Hm... How many pistol rounds do people use here? Do you use multiple, or just one?

In Kouralia three rounds are typically used: .303KourP (basically 7.62x25mm in something like 7..7x26mm), .455Kour (guess) and .45/30 Govt, which is named as an expy of .45/70 Govt (which sounds cool), but is actually a .455Kour case necked down to a .303KourP bullet for much 6.5x25mm CBJ lolage.

9x19mm, 7.62x25mm, 7.62x38mmR, and 9/11 B&J (last two very limited: revolver cartridges).

Alaska-Yukon wrote:The allied states is proud to announce the adoption of the AK12 as its standard issue rifle

Congratulations on beating Russia to it.

Black Hand wrote:2 Stage or single stage Trigger on Military rifles? also would it be worth while to put slight slits in the front of the muzzle break on my rifles to Emulate the wire Cutter effect of the RK62?

Two-stage is nice on bolt-actions whereas single-stage is amazing on everything else. As for the muzzle device, either use a dedicated break for maximum effectiveness and issue a not-AK bayonet (does not require the firing of a round), or go with the RK62 device. RK-62 device means less shit to carry, but if you issue it a bayonet, you'll already be carrying a bayonet, anyway.

Black Hand wrote:so that's who makes it. I haven't heard anything much on them beyond the part where they exist.
I'll definitely point him that way given he's looking at taking a $100 rifle and dropping at least $3-400 on it in modifications

The ATI magazines only work in the ATI abortion stock. The other, drop-in, no-modifications 10-round magazines are not going to be produced because its designer died in a car accident last year.

Purpelia wrote:I need some help understanding trigger mechanisms. Basically I want to figure out how select fire weapons that use a striker work. And I am hitting a brick wall when it comes to finding good examples. There are plenty of brilliant drawings and videos of hammer fired weapons (like the AK) or of semi-auto only handguns that use a striker (like the Glock). But I can't find anything even half decent that describes a striker fired select fire weapon that fires from a closed bolt.

So any links would be appreciated.

See if you can find anything on the Vz.58.

Nua Corda wrote:

Bezombia wrote:
Much better. PCAPs I presume/hope?

Keymod-style

How deep into the slide does the male bit of the attachment protrude?

MInroz wrote:I have a stupid question if anyone don't mind answering.

Should all soldiers wear chastity belt?

The idea behind it is basically to prevent rape and enforce discipline.

Here is a far better alternative.

Imperializt Russia wrote:

Bezombia wrote:When they were first invented, they were marketed as silencers.

Saying that they're suppressors is like saying that bullets are actually projectiles. Is it true? Absolutely. Is either of them wrong? Nope.

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Mk. 22 Mod 0 "Hush Puppy" silent pistol

It's more than general pedantry, because calling them "silencers" is, in many cases, fundamentally untrue and fosters unrealistic expectations.
And calling them suppressors would be true in all cases.

IIRC corda made a nagant based revolver that used ammunition based off of the soviet silent pistol ammo and had a integral suppressor. For that thing in single action and no one would hear a thing.