NS infantry discussion thread. Mark II

[The Republic of Lanos]

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why
what use could this possibly have

how are you even supposed to use those sights

Either it got really hot and the shit was in the condition to bend downwards (unlikely), or (likely) some mechanical force made that happen.

[Bezombia]

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why
what use could this possibly have

how are you even supposed to use those sights

Either it got really hot and the shit was in the condition to bend downwards (unlikely), or (likely) some mechanical force made that happen.

Apparently it was actually built that way.
As in they tried to to a krummlauf with the ppsh-41.

[Black Hand]

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why
what use could this possibly have

how are you even supposed to use those sights

add a little viagra to the powder that should fix it.

[Puzikas]

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why
what use could this possibly have

how are you even supposed to use those sights

"Experimental Shpagin submachine gun with a curved barrel"

Use was same as the shoot around corners wizard thing for the StG-44: For tanks and urban combat mostly.

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why
what use could this possibly have

how are you even supposed to use those sights

add a little viagra to the powder that should fix it.

HA!

[Bezombia]

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why
what use could this possibly have

how are you even supposed to use those sights

"Experimental Shpagin submachine gun with a curved barrel"

Use was same as the shoot around corners wizard thing for the StG-44: For tanks and urban combat mostly.

Do you happen to have any information about if it actually worked (as in, the bullets actually came out in one piece), and, if so, was actually used in any significant numbers?

[Premislyd]

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why
what use could this possibly have

how are you even supposed to use those sights

"Experimental Shpagin submachine gun with a curved barrel"

Use was same as the shoot around corners wizard thing for the StG-44: For tanks and urban combat mostly.

Too slow

[20:51] <Lanos> https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopi ... #p19034440
[20:51] <Lanos> the fuck
[20:52] <premislyd_> it's just for shooting over trenches/cover

[Transnapastain]

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why
what use could this possibly have

how are you even supposed to use those sights

Someone may have done this already but...

[20:52] <premislyd_> it's just for shooting over trenches/cover

Not even the only nation to do it.

Not just a WW2 trend since it started in WW1...and even persists today

[Puzikas]

"Experimental Shpagin submachine gun with a curved barrel"

Use was same as the shoot around corners wizard thing for the StG-44: For tanks and urban combat mostly.

Do you happen to have any information about if it actually worked (as in, the bullets actually came out in one piece), and, if so, was actually used in any significant numbers?

It worked but it never got any real use as far as I know.

[Black Hand]

add a little viagra to the powder that should fix it.

HA!

if you experience any reasonable level of accuracy lasting longer than 4 hours please contact your armorer immediately

[Sevvania]

"Experimental Shpagin submachine gun with a curved barrel"

Use was same as the shoot around corners wizard thing for the StG-44: For tanks and urban combat mostly.

Do you happen to have any information about if it actually worked (as in, the bullets actually came out in one piece), and, if so, was actually used in any significant numbers?

If I remember correctly, its German StG 44 counterpart often resulted in the bullet breaking up as it traveled around the curve, giving it sort of a shotgun effect.

[Bezombia]

Do you happen to have any information about if it actually worked (as in, the bullets actually came out in one piece), and, if so, was actually used in any significant numbers?

If I remember correctly, its German StG 44 counterpart often resulted in the bullet breaking up as it traveled around the curve, giving it sort of a shotgun effect.

Hence the one piece comment

[Bezombia]

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why
what use could this possibly have

how are you even supposed to use those sights

Someone may have done this already but...

[20:52] <premislyd_> it's just for shooting over trenches/cover

Not even the only nation to do it.

Not just a WW2 trend since it started in WW1...and even persists today

I was aware of periscope rifles, the Krummlauf, and the Cornershot. I was not aware of a nation other than Nazi Germany experimenting with weapons that actually had physically curved barrels.

Do you happen to have any information about if it actually worked (as in, the bullets actually came out in one piece), and, if so, was actually used in any significant numbers?

It worked but it never got any real use as far as I know.

Well that's a shame, it does make sense. I can't really see the specific need of shooting over trenches and cover justifying the production of an entirely new variant of the PPSh, when one of the major points of the PPSh was how cheap it was.

[Mozria]

Here's the rather mediocre rifle cartridge that I designed for my upcoming WWII-era RP:

Cartridge, Caliber 7.88 mm, Schnaussen-Rimmer M.23

Case Type: Bottleneck, rimless (brass)
Bullet Diameter: 8 mm
Bullet Length: 32 mm
Seating Depth: 7.60 mm
Neck Diameter: 9.45 mm
Shoulder Diameter: 12.30 mm
Base Diameter: 12.60 mm
Rim Diameter: 11.40 mm
Rim thickness: 1.20 mm
Case Length: 62 mm
Cartridge Length: 86.40 mm
Case Capacity: 71.50 grains
Case Load: 60 grains
Rifling Twist: 1:350 mm
Projectile Type/Weight: Schnaussen-Rimmer M.23 (copper-jacketed ball), 195 gr.
Primer Type: Schnaussen-Rimmer M.19 Rifle
Maximum Pressure: ~41,700 CUP / 47,000 psi
Velocity at Muzzle: ~800 meters/second
Muzzle Energy: ~3,700 joules *
100 meters: ~3,500 joules *
200 meters: ~3,100 joules *
300 meters: ~2,600 joules *

* Test barrel length: 750 millimeters



Schnaussen-Rimmer M.23 Projectile

Bullet Diameter: 8 mm
Bullet Length: 32 mm
Nose Length: 18 mm
Meplat Diameter: 1 mm
Boat-Tail Length: 6 mm
Base Diameter: 6 mm
Bullet Weight: 195 grains
Construction: Copper-jacketed lead core, solid cross-section
G1 Ballistic Coefficient:
Mach 0.5: 0.47
Mach 1.0: 0.39
Mach 1.5: 0.49
Mach 2.0: 0.52
Mach 2.5: 0.54
Mach 3.0: 0.57
G7 Ballistic Coefficient:
Mach 0.5: 0.28
Mach 1.0: 0.30
Mach 1.5: 0.26
Mach 2.0: 0.26
Mach 2.5: 0,27
Mach 3.0: 0.27

[Black Hand]

huh turns out that flash training or flash data displays actually work.
http://www.spritzinc.com/about/
I feel like this could be very useful for those of us with Power armor or integrated HUD units.

[Imperializt Russia]

The Israelis are still cool.

Not denying it.
What was cool was the Achzarit

I called NS Dibs on the Achzarit.

What if I told you Stoner 63 was used be US special forces, namely the SEALs, in Vietnam and up until the M249 came into service in the 1980s?

If it was replaced by the M249, it clearly isn't a suitable replacement for the M16.


I'm not saying it's a bad weapon. I'm saying it's a bad idea to issue it as your main rifle.

The AR-15 isn't a general purpose weapon that's designed to modify into LMG variants.

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why
what use could this possibly have

how are you even supposed to use those sights

Firing over trenches.

[Aqizithiuda]

Here's the rather mediocre rifle cartridge that I designed for my upcoming WWII-era RP:

Cartridge, Caliber 7.88 mm, Schnaussen-Rimmer M.23

Case Type: Bottleneck, rimless (brass)
Bullet Diameter: 8 mm
Bullet Length: 32 mm
Seating Depth: 7.60 mm
Neck Diameter: 9.45 mm
Shoulder Diameter: 12.30 mm
Base Diameter: 12.60 mm
Rim Diameter: 11.40 mm
Rim thickness: 1.20 mm
Case Length: 62 mm
Cartridge Length: 86.40 mm
Case Capacity: 71.50 grains
Case Load: 60 grains
Rifling Twist: 1:350 mm
Projectile Type/Weight: Schnaussen-Rimmer M.23 (copper-jacketed ball), 195 gr.
Primer Type: Schnaussen-Rimmer M.19 Rifle
Maximum Pressure: ~41,700 CUP / 47,000 psi
Velocity at Muzzle: ~800 meters/second
Muzzle Energy: ~3,700 joules *
100 meters: ~3,500 joules *
200 meters: ~3,100 joules *
300 meters: ~2,600 joules *

* Test barrel length: 750 millimeters

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Schnaussen-Rimmer M.23 Projectile

Bullet Diameter: 8 mm
Bullet Length: 32 mm
Nose Length: 18 mm
Meplat Diameter: 1 mm
Boat-Tail Length: 6 mm
Base Diameter: 6 mm
Bullet Weight: 195 grains
Construction: Copper-jacketed lead core, solid cross-section
G1 Ballistic Coefficient:
Mach 0.5: 0.47
Mach 1.0: 0.39
Mach 1.5: 0.49
Mach 2.0: 0.52
Mach 2.5: 0.54
Mach 3.0: 0.57
G7 Ballistic Coefficient:
Mach 0.5: 0.28
Mach 1.0: 0.30
Mach 1.5: 0.26
Mach 2.0: 0.26
Mach 2.5: 0,27
Mach 3.0: 0.27

Link to the actual bullet design?

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

In the same way my 5.6x40mm is a higher pressure, 5.45x39mm firing a heavier, longer bullet.

Ah, I see. Well, I suppose that works.

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Probably not. Current top of the line propellants offer a 40-50 m/s increase without any increased pressure.

Wait. . .
>Posts initial velocity
>Told velocity is too low for futr
>Posts higher "futr" velocity
>Told new velocity is too high and unrealistic for said futr

And because my phone hates quoting more than one person, it's the 4.6mm that's been pushed to it's limits, not the 5.7mm.

How do you figure? It took my 5min or so to eek enough performance out of it to trounce the 5.7mm, without +P+ silliness.

Too, what phone? The only issues I've had have been from sub par stock browsers on iOS and Win8.

[Imperializt Russia]

Well, Chrome on my Moto G doesn't like multiple quotes. It refuses to put the text cursor at the end of text without physically dragging it down (with effort) and sometimes the screen goes into disco rave mode on the "select tab" screen.
I also have to put a space at the end of one post, because if I try to paste the next reply, it will do so over the last character (if punctuation) or word.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Well, Chrome on my Moto G doesn't like multiple quotes. It refuses to put the text cursor at the end of text without physically dragging it down (with effort) and sometimes the screen goes into disco rave mode on the "select tab" screen.
I also have to put a space at the end of one post, because if I try to paste the next reply, it will do so over the last character (if punctuation) or word.

Hmm. . . I've never had an issue with the tab screen, but past that it sounds identical to issue I've had as well. I eventually got tired of it and switched to Firefox, which is still rather quirky, but in more manageable ways in my opinion.

Shit. . . this post is completely lacking infantry.

[Aqizithiuda]

In the same way my 5.6x40mm is a higher pressure, 5.45x39mm firing a heavier, longer bullet.

Ah, I see. Well, I suppose that works.

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Probably not. Current top of the line propellants offer a 40-50 m/s increase without any increased pressure.

Wait. . .
>Posts initial velocity
>Told velocity is too low for futr
>Posts higher "futr" velocity
>Told new velocity is too high and unrealistic for said futr

And because my phone hates quoting more than one person, it's the 4.6mm that's been pushed to it's limits, not the 5.7mm.

How do you figure? It took my 5min or so to eek enough performance out of it to trounce the 5.7mm, without +P+ silliness.

Too, what phone? The only issues I've had have been from sub par stock browsers on iOS and Win8.

The 4.6x33mm already operates at around 50kpsi, while the 5.7x28mm operates at around 35kpsi, with really hot handloads getting up to around the 40kpsi mark.

Well, Chrome on my Moto G doesn't like multiple quotes. It refuses to put the text cursor at the end of text without physically dragging it down (with effort) and sometimes the screen goes into disco rave mode on the "select tab" screen.
I also have to put a space at the end of one post, because if I try to paste the next reply, it will do so over the last character (if punctuation) or word.

Chrome on my One X has similar, albeit inconsistent, problems.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

The 4.6x33mm already operates at around 50kpsi, while the 5.7x28mm operates at around 35kpsi, with really hot handloads getting up to around the 40kpsi mark.

Eh, is true.

Don't 5.7 loads have to be careful with how hot they are because of the case shape and the fact that the P90 is direct blowback?

Chrome on my One X has similar, albeit inconsistent, problems.

It seems Chrome's a fiddlier beast than I'd realized.

[Triplebaconation]

Maybe the grips are in two peices that just make one continuous shape when screwed onto the frame?

Still a lot more processing and materials involved than two rectangular slabs of cheap wood.
In addition, you'd then have a left side and right side piece, non-interchangeable. More work, more expense.

A gun like this should take 4-5 man-hours to produce. Even half an hour turning and sanding wood (unrealistically fast) adds a great deal to production costs, which were mostly labor even in World War Two. Most likely wooden grips would be eliminated quite quickly, since they aren't essential. Ornamental embellishments like that bizarre safety wouldn't make it in at all.

Stamped steel guns should be distinguished from things like the Sten. Stens were cheap because they were ruthlessly simplified to the point where they could be made quickly by unskilled labor anywhere. Stamped steel weapons like the Grease Gun or typical Nazi crap, on the other hand, were advanced technology that only a handful of firms could pull off in the 40s. It's actually an initially expensive way of making guns, since it needs a relatively large capital investment and serious industrial design skills.The cheapness comes from the massive economies of scale possible, not from sticking a pipe on top of a metal box and calling it a day.

[Yes Im Biop]

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why
what use could this possibly have

how are you even supposed to use those sights

Thats the German Corner shot. It's really a fun word to say

[Yes Im Biop]

"Experimental Shpagin submachine gun with a curved barrel"

Use was same as the shoot around corners wizard thing for the StG-44: For tanks and urban combat mostly.

Do you happen to have any information about if it actually worked (as in, the bullets actually came out in one piece), and, if so, was actually used in any significant numbers?

I know the mythbusters bent a barrel 180 and the bullet only lost 15% of it's speed.

[Bezombia]

Do you happen to have any information about if it actually worked (as in, the bullets actually came out in one piece), and, if so, was actually used in any significant numbers?

I know the mythbusters bent a barrel 180 and the bullet only lost 15% of it's speed.

And the Germans bent a barrel 30 and the bullets came out in tiny pieces.