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Who will OP the next iteration of the IDT?

Aqizithiuda
36
27%
Benomia
34
25%
Dread Lady Nathicana
6
4%
Kyrusia
3
2%
Purpelia
11
8%
Samoz (Imperializt Russia)
8
6%
Spreewerke
14
10%
Transnapastain
9
7%
Ulfr-Reich / Aethal
3
2%
United states of brazilian nations
10
7%
 
Total votes : 134

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The Brooke Dynasty
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Posts: 43
Founded: Feb 16, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby The Brooke Dynasty » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:30 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
The Brooke Dynasty wrote:Then instruct your soldiers to fire in their exact direction. Less children = more food to go around to those who survive.

Or the world hears about it and decides to depose you.

Lolwut? This is Israel we're talking about. They've been slowly ethnically cleansing Palestinian territory for three generations and nobody outside the Arab world gives two shits. It's all about killing kids of the right ethnicity.

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Arkandros
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1816
Founded: Jul 11, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Arkandros » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:34 pm

Although I'm late to the party, my digging around in handgun data indicates that most nations would rather give more rifle ammo than issue a soldier a pistol. Based on this, should I replace tank troops' (pistol caliber) SMGs with short (10"-14" barrel, 24-28" OAL) standard-caliber rifles?
For example: Issue the M4A1 as a standard infantry rifle and the M4A1 CQBR as a tank troop rifle. (bonus parts interchangeability with that pair)
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Bezombia
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Founded: Apr 01, 2013
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Postby Bezombia » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:35 pm

Arkandros wrote:Although I'm late to the party, my digging around in handgun data indicates that most nations would rather give more rifle ammo than issue a soldier a pistol. Based on this, should I replace tank troops' (pistol caliber) SMGs with short (10"-14" barrel, 24-28" OAL) standard-caliber rifles?
For example: Issue the M4A1 as a standard infantry rifle and the M4A1 CQBR as a tank troop rifle. (bonus parts interchangeability with that pair)


Yes.
The other option is to adopt 7.62x32 Shipunov for that purpose.
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The Archangel Conglomerate
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Founded: Dec 10, 2011
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:37 pm

Or, you stop being a pansy and issue MP7s across the board.
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Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:For want of lances, the heavy equipment never reached the field.

For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Spirit of Hope
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Posts: 12474
Founded: Feb 21, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Spirit of Hope » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:38 pm

Arkandros wrote:Although I'm late to the party, my digging around in handgun data indicates that most nations would rather give more rifle ammo than issue a soldier a pistol. Based on this, should I replace tank troops' (pistol caliber) SMGs with short (10"-14" barrel, 24-28" OAL) standard-caliber rifles?
For example: Issue the M4A1 as a standard infantry rifle and the M4A1 CQBR as a tank troop rifle. (bonus parts interchangeability with that pair)

Something like that is probably for the best. You might want to issue something with a slightly longer barrel for your standard troops weapons, the M4s barrel is a bit short for the 5.56 to get its full power.

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:Or, you stop being a pansy and issue MP7s across the board.

Haven't we been over this? 4.6 isn't as god as the 5.7, so issue P90s. :p
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Kouralia
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Founded: Oct 30, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kouralia » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:39 pm

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:Or, you stop being a pansy and issue MP7s across the board.

The Ministry of Defence knows where it's at with those sexy, sexy PDWs.

Spirit of Hope wrote:
The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:Or, you stop being a pansy and issue MP7s across the board.

Haven't we been over this? 4.6 isn't as god as the 5.7, so issue P90s. :p

yh, but p90 looks shite
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Bezombia
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Founded: Apr 01, 2013
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Postby Bezombia » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:40 pm

Kouralia wrote:
The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:Or, you stop being a pansy and issue MP7s across the board.

The Ministry of Defence knows where it's at with those sexy, sexy PDWs.

Spirit of Hope wrote:Haven't we been over this? 4.6 isn't as god as the 5.7, so issue P90s. :p

yh, but p90 looks shite


Then issue the AR-57.
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Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
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Kouralia
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Posts: 15140
Founded: Oct 30, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kouralia » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:41 pm

Bezombia wrote:


Then issue the AR-57.

What part of 'looking like shite is a bad thing' didn't you understand?

;)
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Spirit of Hope
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Posts: 12474
Founded: Feb 21, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Spirit of Hope » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:45 pm

Kouralia wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:Haven't we been over this? 4.6 isn't as god as the 5.7, so issue P90s. :p

yh, but p90 looks shite

Hey I like that little piece of plastic. Though it isn't the best for issue in the place of pistols. The MP7 is better for that.
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Arkandros
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Posts: 1816
Founded: Jul 11, 2013
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Postby Arkandros » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:45 pm

Kouralia wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
Then issue the AR-57.

What part of 'looking like shite is a bad thing' didn't you understand?

;)

And the AK doesn't look like crap? It does a damn good job, which is why it doesn't have to look pretty.
EDIT: I know a lot of you like your soviet rifles. I do too. I just think they don't look very attractive.
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Kouralia
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Founded: Oct 30, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kouralia » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:47 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Kouralia wrote:

yh, but p90 looks shite

Hey I like that little piece of plastic. Though it isn't the best for issue in the place of pistols. The MP7 is better for that.

wai u liek shite?

jk, it's not that bad, but MP7 is kewl

Arkandros wrote:And the AK doesn't look like crap? It does a damn good job, which is why it doesn't have to look pretty.

The AK does look like crap.

#ControversialOpinion
Kouralia:

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Coltarin
Senator
 
Posts: 4221
Founded: Mar 26, 2011
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Coltarin » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:48 pm

Kouralia wrote:
The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:Or, you stop being a pansy and issue MP7s across the board.

The Ministry of Defence knows where it's at with those sexy, sexy PDWs.

Spirit of Hope wrote:Haven't we been over this? 4.6 isn't as god as the 5.7, so issue P90s. :p

yh, but p90 looks shite

When did brit cops stop being unarmed pussies?
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Fordorsia wrote:Why sell the restored weapons when you can keep them in a military-themed sex dungeon?
Spreewerke wrote:Basically plainclothes, armed security on a plane. Terrorist starts boxcuttering? Shoot his ass. Passenger starts being a dickhole penisweiner? Arrest his ass. Stewardess walks by? Smack dat ass. People obviously see you? Lose your job as a federal employee and suffer a failing marriage while your children don't speak with you at home and, due to your newly-developed drinking problem, you also lose all custody rights of your children. Your life culminates with your self-immolation inside your one-bedroom trailer home.

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Bezombia
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Founded: Apr 01, 2013
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Postby Bezombia » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:50 pm

Kouralia wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
Then issue the AR-57.

What part of 'looking like shite is a bad thing' didn't you understand?

;)


Then issue the X-5.7
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Sauritican wrote:We've all been spending too much time with Ben
Verdum wrote:Hey girl, is your name Karl Marx? Because your starting an uprising in my lower classes.
Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.
Equestican wrote:Ben is love, Ben is life.
Sediczja wrote:real eyes realize real lies
I'm a poet. Come read my poems!

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Kouralia
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Posts: 15140
Founded: Oct 30, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kouralia » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:51 pm

Coltarin wrote:

When did brit cops stop being unarmed pussies?

They didn't. You're just uninformed for ever thinking British police have been unarmed.

EDIT:
Bezombia wrote:
Kouralia wrote:What part of 'looking like shite is a bad thing' didn't you understand?

;)


Then issue the X-5.7

Still. Looks. Like. Shite.
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Imperializt Russia
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 54847
Founded: Jun 03, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:51 pm

Kouralia wrote:
Arkandros wrote:And the AK doesn't look like crap? It does a damn good job, which is why it doesn't have to look pretty.

The AK does look like crap.

#ControversialOpinion

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The Archangel Conglomerate
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Founded: Dec 10, 2011
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:52 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:Haven't we been over this? 4.6 isn't as god as the 5.7, so issue P90s. :p

From what I've read though, the 5.7mm is already pushing the upper limits of what it's capable of, while the 4.6mm has more room to expand.

Admittedly though, that was on a forum.




Damn straight!

Doesn't the MoD use that weird SF only variant? It kind of defeats the purpose in my opinion.
(\/)(•,,,,•)(\/)
Please, call me Arch

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:For want of lances, the heavy equipment never reached the field.

For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Sediczja
Minister
 
Posts: 2391
Founded: Oct 11, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Sediczja » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:52 pm

Coltarin wrote:

When did brit cops stop being unarmed pussies?


Our cops are armed where and when it's needed, they just don't routinely carry. When I went to London there were cops strolling around outside Parliament with MP5s. Semi-auto only versions, but still.
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Bezombia
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Postby Bezombia » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:53 pm

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:Haven't we been over this? 4.6 isn't as god as the 5.7, so issue P90s. :p

From what I've read though, the 5.7mm is already pushing the upper limits of what it's capable of, while the 4.6mm has more room to expand.

Admittedly though, that was on a forum.


Yes, and both are shit
Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon...but down this road we've been so many times...
Please, call me Benomia. Post count +14623, founded Oct. 23, 2012.
Sauritican wrote:We've all been spending too much time with Ben
Verdum wrote:Hey girl, is your name Karl Marx? Because your starting an uprising in my lower classes.
Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.
Equestican wrote:Ben is love, Ben is life.
Sediczja wrote:real eyes realize real lies
I'm a poet. Come read my poems!

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Immoren
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 65556
Founded: Mar 20, 2010
Democratic Socialists

Postby Immoren » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:53 pm

Kouralia wrote:
Arkandros wrote:And the AK doesn't look like crap? It does a damn good job, which is why it doesn't have to look pretty.

The AK does look like crap.

#ControversialOpinion


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Oaledonia
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Postby Oaledonia » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:55 pm

Nua Corda wrote:Shit, their APCs are just Merkava tanks with the turrets taken off.

That's not that impressive tbh, others have done it too.
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Kouralia
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kouralia » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:55 pm

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:

Damn straight!

Doesn't the MoD use that weird SF only variant? It kind of defeats the purpose in my opinion.

WHy would they need the ability to fire on full-auto? They're basically using it as an MP-5 with the added armour-piercing capacity because :NuclearWeapons:. The MP5 isn't used as an SMG, it's used as some kind of carbine in a pistol cartridge in semi-auto, because full-auto is too uncontrollable and isn't cut out for the role of police work.
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Bezombia
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Founded: Apr 01, 2013
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Postby Bezombia » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:57 pm

Kouralia wrote:Still. Looks. Like. Shite.


http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz32 ... 6641-1.jpg

How could you say this looks bad.
Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon...but down this road we've been so many times...
Please, call me Benomia. Post count +14623, founded Oct. 23, 2012.
Sauritican wrote:We've all been spending too much time with Ben
Verdum wrote:Hey girl, is your name Karl Marx? Because your starting an uprising in my lower classes.
Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.
Equestican wrote:Ben is love, Ben is life.
Sediczja wrote:real eyes realize real lies
I'm a poet. Come read my poems!

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New Tsavon
Minister
 
Posts: 2764
Founded: Mar 20, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby New Tsavon » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:58 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Kouralia wrote:Still. Looks. Like. Shite.


http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz32 ... 6641-1.jpg

How could you say this looks bad.

How can you say it doesn't?
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Kouralia
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15140
Founded: Oct 30, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kouralia » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:59 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Kouralia wrote:Still. Looks. Like. Shite.


http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz32 ... 6641-1.jpg

How could you say this looks bad.

Easily.
Very easily.
Very, very easily.
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Purpelia
Post Czar
 
Posts: 34249
Founded: Oct 19, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Purpelia » Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:00 pm

I like it. :p
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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