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Who will OP the next iteration of the IDT?

Aqizithiuda
36
27%
Benomia
34
25%
Dread Lady Nathicana
6
4%
Kyrusia
3
2%
Purpelia
11
8%
Samoz (Imperializt Russia)
8
6%
Spreewerke
14
10%
Transnapastain
9
7%
Ulfr-Reich / Aethal
3
2%
United states of brazilian nations
10
7%
 
Total votes : 134

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San-Silvacian
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Postby San-Silvacian » Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:54 pm

Black Hand wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:wow all this talk about good 9mm pistol and the Hi-Power doesn't come up once.

fags.

CZ-75 =/=Hi-power? Besides while I'd love a Hi-power $1k on a pistol isn't practical for me right now. (college, becoming independent of my parents entirely, Girlfriend that I'm getting very serious with so that might change soon)


obv you buy the Hi-Power as a wedding present for her.

Nothing says I love you like a fine Belgian firearm.
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The Archangel Conglomerate
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:55 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:Should be fixed now.

Not that I'm seeing.

Tell me Aqiz, in your seasoned opinion, how would a larger, slower, more efficient projectile alter the 8x40mm's performance?



Yes Im Biop wrote:So long as no unforeseen morons raise up, Suppressors will soon be legal in Iowa.

Neat.


Arch could you give me another ink to the 10x90 so I can save it this time? XD

No.

And who made the Drag Coefficent chart thing of my 10x90 last time?

Here
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Please, call me Arch

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:For want of lances, the heavy equipment never reached the field.

For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Postby Yes Im Biop » Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:57 pm

Thank you arch
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Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
Yes, I Am infact Biop.


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Postby Premislyd » Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:58 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:
Black Hand wrote:CZ-75 =/=Hi-power? Besides while I'd love a Hi-power $1k on a pistol isn't practical for me right now. (college, becoming independent of my parents entirely, Girlfriend that I'm getting very serious with so that might change soon)


obv you buy the Hi-Power as a wedding present for her.

Nothing says I love you like a fine Belgian firearm.


Belgian firearm that saddam used.

Obv because Saddam used a gun, it automatically becomes a genocide gun. Just like every other gun to come out of Belgium (FN FAL anybody?).

Hi-power is bad, and you should feel bad.
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Postby Tule » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:00 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:wow all this talk about good 9mm pistol and the Hi-Power doesn't come up once.

fags.


It's a really nice pistol.

But in 1975 they took the Hi-Power and ironed out it's (admittedly few) flaws.

Image

*unf*

EDIT: Bad example, Blue label isn't half the price of Black label like the CZ is compared to the HP.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:01 pm

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:Should be fixed now.

Not that I'm seeing.

Tell me Aqiz, in your seasoned opinion, how would a larger, slower, more efficient projectile alter the 8x40mm's performance?



Yes Im Biop wrote:So long as no unforeseen morons raise up, Suppressors will soon be legal in Iowa.

Neat.


Arch could you give me another ink to the 10x90 so I can save it this time? XD

No.

And who made the Drag Coefficent chart thing of my 10x90 last time?

Here

Mmm... now that is a pretty BC. Above .63 is great. None of this silly 5.3-5.8 bullshit.
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:01 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:Thank you arch

You're quite welcome
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Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:For want of lances, the heavy equipment never reached the field.

For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Postby Spreewerke » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:03 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:wow all this talk about good 9mm pistol and the Hi-Power doesn't come up once.

fags.



Price concerns. Same reason the Sig P226 didn't come up, either. ;)

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Postby Yes Im Biop » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:04 pm

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:Thank you arch

You're quite welcome

Do I win for most expensive magazine of ammo?
SLAP:1
M101:4 feed per 20 round box of ammo XD
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Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
Yes, I Am infact Biop.


Rest in Peace Riley. Biopan Embassy Non Military Realism Thread
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Postby San-Silvacian » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:09 pm

Tule wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:wow all this talk about good 9mm pistol and the Hi-Power doesn't come up once.

fags.


It's a really nice pistol.

But in 1975 they took the Hi-Power and ironed out it's (admittedly few) flaws.

Image

*unf*

The HP is like Johnny walker Black Label. Awesome, but it's no Blue Label


cz 75 nnnghhhh
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:26 pm

Black Hand wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:Anyone want their cartridges analysed?

If your offering.
projectile
Neck Diameter: 8.5mm
Shoulder Diameter: 11.6mm
Base Diameter: 12.5mm
Rim Diameter: 12.5mm
Case Length: 55mm
Overall Length: 78mm
Barrel: 457mm
max pressure: 60Kpsi
Rifle weight 4.7 Kg


Cartridge
Internal Ballistics
External Ballistics

Weight per cartridge = 24.88g
Cartridges per kilogram = 40
Recoil Energy (10.36lb rifle)= 14 ft/lbs
Recoil Velocity (10.36lb rifle) = 9.3 ft/s
kj/kg @ 500 metres = 58.628
kj/kg @ 1000 metres = 19.292
Krupp's Tank Formula: 6.445 @ 500 metres, 2.805mm @ 1000 metres.

Yes Im Biop wrote:Fuck, I'll find my 10x90 what cha need to know? B Length, Speed, Weight,


Bullet Diameter:10mm (.393in)
Neck Diameter:10mm (.393in)
Shoulder Diameter:N.A.
Base Diameter:12mm
Rim Diameter:12mm
Rim Thickness:2mm
Case Length:90mm
Overall Length:90mm
Weight&Speed
500 grains/Grams?
3250, 3500, and 3950 feet per second.
Barrel Length: 1010 mm
Rifle Weight: 18.4lbs fully loaded


...WHy is my 404'd


Sorry Biop, I'm really not wanting to try and work a CTA cartridge out.

Premislyd wrote:Here's my "upgraded" 5.45x39mm
Projectile
The rifle is 2.9 kg unloaded; 3.28 kg loaded.
Neck Diameter: 7.6 mm
Shoulder Diameter: 9.6 mm
Base Diameter: 10.4 mm
Rim Diameter: 10.4 mm
Case Length: 39.8 mm
Overall Length: 57 mm

Maximum pressure is 56 kpsi

Barrel length: 420 mm


Cartridge
Internal Ballistics
External Ballistics

Weight per cartridge = 13.87g
Cartridges per kilogram = 72
Recoil Energy (7.23lb rifle)= 3.8 ft/lbs
Recoil Velocity (7.23lb rifle) = 5.8 ft/s
kj/kg @ 500 metres = 37.418
kj/kg @ 1000 metres = 12.808
Krupp's Tank Formula: 4.059 @ 500 metres, 2.018mm @ 1000 metres.

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Aqiz
Bullet Information:
Bullet diameter: 7.1mm
Bullet length: 34mm
Nose lengh: 21mm
Melpat diameter: .5mm
Drive band diameter: 7.1mm
Base diameter: 5mm
Boat-tail angle: 8.5°
Boat-tail length: 7mm
Weight: 143gr
Density: 10.4 gm/cc
Ballistic coefficient: .68(G1) .32(G7)

Cartridge information:
Parent case: 7mm Second Optimum
Case type: Rimless bottlenecked
Neck diameter: 8.0 mm
Shoulder diameter: 11.4 mm
Base diameter: 11.9 mm
Rim diameter: 12.0 mm
Rim thickness: 1.5 mm
Case length: 47 mm
Overall length: 74 mm

Barrel length 20 in
63kpa


Projectile (modified for more accurate results)
Cartridge
Internal Ballistics
External Ballistics

Weight per cartridge = 21.32g
Cartridges per kilogram = 46
Recoil Energy (9.26lb rifle)= 11.9 ft/lbs
Recoil Velocity (9.26lb rifle) = 9.1 ft/s
kj/kg @ 500 metres = 71.060
kj/kg @ 1000 metres = 29.384
Krupp's Tank Formula: 7.466 @ 500 metres, 3.85mm @ 1000 metres.




And I'm done for the day. Any more cartridges will be done some time next week, and I'll work on integrating the cartridges I've just done into the spreadsheet before I do any more cartridges.
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Postby Triplebaconation » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:26 pm

Premislyd wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:
obv you buy the Hi-Power as a wedding present for her.

Nothing says I love you like a fine Belgian firearm.


Belgian firearm that saddam used.

Obv because Saddam used a gun, it automatically becomes a genocide gun. Just like every other gun to come out of Belgium (FN FAL anybody?).

Hi-power is bad, and you should feel bad.


Are rare Hi-Power accessories overpriced by third-party vendors?
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Postby Premislyd » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:31 pm

Triplebaconation wrote:Are rare Hi-Power accessories overpriced by third-party vendors?


I would assume so. It's probably difficult for Khalif to get his red dot sight and tactical flashlight for good, honest prices.

Aqizithiuda wrote:Cartridge
Internal Ballistics
External Ballistics

Weight per cartridge = 13.87g
Cartridges per kilogram = 72
Recoil Energy (7.23lb rifle)= 3.8 ft/lbs
Recoil Velocity (7.23lb rifle) = 5.8 ft/s
kj/kg @ 500 metres = 37.418
kj/kg @ 1000 metres = 12.808
Krupp's Tank Formula: 4.059 @ 500 metres, 2.018mm @ 1000 metres.


I have no idea if this is good or bad. *shrugs*
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:34 pm

Premislyd wrote:
Triplebaconation wrote:Are rare Hi-Power accessories overpriced by third-party vendors?


I would assume so. It's probably difficult for Khalif to get his red dot sight and tactical flashlight for good, honest prices.

Aqizithiuda wrote:Cartridge
Internal Ballistics
External Ballistics

Weight per cartridge = 13.87g
Cartridges per kilogram = 72
Recoil Energy (7.23lb rifle)= 3.8 ft/lbs
Recoil Velocity (7.23lb rifle) = 5.8 ft/s
kj/kg @ 500 metres = 37.418
kj/kg @ 1000 metres = 12.808
Krupp's Tank Formula: 4.059 @ 500 metres, 2.018mm @ 1000 metres.


I have no idea if this is good or bad. *shrugs*


It's better than the 5.56mm NATO, in general.

It'll be clearly once I add it to the spreadsheet.
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Postby Premislyd » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:35 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:It's better than the 5.56mm NATO, in general.

It'll be clearly once I add it to the spreadsheet.


Ah, okay. Thanks for the clarification.
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Postby Serretes » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:35 pm

Alright, I have a question. What should the ratio of medics to personnel in a Mechanized Infantry unit?
x to 10,000 personnel.
x=medics
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:39 pm

Serretes wrote:Alright, I have a question. What should the ratio of medics to personnel in a Mechanized Infantry unit?
x to 10,000 personnel.
x=medics

A mechanized infantry brigade should contain a medical support company. There's no exact ratio so to speak.
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:42 pm

Premislyd wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:It's better than the 5.56mm NATO, in general.

It'll be clearly once I add it to the spreadsheet.


Ah, okay. Thanks for the clarification.


To put things in perspective, you have more kilojoules per kilogram than the 5.56mm, better penetration, less windage, less drop, shorter time of flight and more energy at range.
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Postby Serretes » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:45 pm

Vitaphone Racing wrote:
Serretes wrote:Alright, I have a question. What should the ratio of medics to personnel in a Mechanized Infantry unit?
x to 10,000 personnel.
x=medics

A mechanized infantry brigade should contain a medical support company. There's no exact ratio so to speak.

Ok, thanks. I’ll have some more questions later.
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Postby Black Hand » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:17 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Black Hand wrote:If your offering.
projectile
Neck Diameter: 8.5mm
Shoulder Diameter: 11.6mm
Base Diameter: 12.5mm
Rim Diameter: 12.5mm
Case Length: 55mm
Overall Length: 78mm
Barrel: 457mm
max pressure: 60Kpsi
Rifle weight 4.7 Kg


Cartridge
Internal Ballistics
External Ballistics

Weight per cartridge = 24.88g
Cartridges per kilogram = 40
Recoil Energy (10.36lb rifle)= 14 ft/lbs
Recoil Velocity (10.36lb rifle) = 9.3 ft/s
kj/kg @ 500 metres = 58.628
kj/kg @ 1000 metres = 19.292
Krupp's Tank Formula: 6.445 @ 500 metres, 2.805mm @ 1000 metres.
what does the pentration assume the projectile is made of? Cause my calculations are based off T1 HSS alloy and copper jacketing (I work in hardware store so I'm pretty experienced with it and no its not a huge chain its a local one so I actually know my shit for tools)
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Postby Premislyd » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:19 pm

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Ah, okay. Thanks for the clarification.


To put things in perspective, you have more kilojoules per kilogram than the 5.56mm, better penetration, less windage, less drop, shorter time of flight and more energy at range.


Neato then. Glad to see I can still BS cartridges and somehow get them to be decent :p
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:41 pm

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Cartridge
Internal Ballistics
External Ballistics

Weight per cartridge = 24.88g
Cartridges per kilogram = 40
Recoil Energy (10.36lb rifle)= 14 ft/lbs
Recoil Velocity (10.36lb rifle) = 9.3 ft/s
kj/kg @ 500 metres = 58.628
kj/kg @ 1000 metres = 19.292
Krupp's Tank Formula: 6.445 @ 500 metres, 2.805mm @ 1000 metres.
what does the pentration assume the projectile is made of? Cause my calculations are based off T1 HSS alloy and copper jacketing (I work in hardware store so I'm pretty experienced with it and no its not a huge chain its a local one so I actually know my shit for tools)


Lead core and mild steel (IIRC)
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Postby Black Hand » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:42 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Black Hand wrote: what does the pentration assume the projectile is made of? Cause my calculations are based off T1 HSS alloy and copper jacketing (I work in hardware store so I'm pretty experienced with it and no its not a huge chain its a local one so I actually know my shit for tools)


Lead core and mild steel (IIRC)

I suppose that works for a rough estimate still. Much better than what I had before. Thanks Aquiz.
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Lead core and mild steel (IIRC)

I suppose that works for a rough estimate still. Much better than what I had before. Thanks Aquiz.


No probs.
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Postby Black Hand » Sun Mar 02, 2014 12:48 am

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Black Hand wrote:I suppose that works for a rough estimate still. Much better than what I had before. Thanks Aquiz.


No probs.

So If the math all works out right my round would outperform or match 7.62X54R 7N13 in penetration at 500m using only FMJ. it's listed as 6mm at 520m (who the hell tests at 520m?) I'm assuming that this would be due to the fact that I have a lighter, faster projectile.
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