NS infantry discussion thread. Mark II

[New Tsavon]

Anyone want their cartridges analysed?

Sure

What info do you need?

EDIT: Toppage gun-whoring

[Aqizithiuda]

391mm

8x40mm Cartridge Case
Internal Ballistics
External Ballistics

Weight per cartridge = 18.71g
Cartridges per kilogram = 53
Recoil Energy (8.8lb rifle)= 8.4 ft/lbs
Recoil Velocity (8.8lb rifle) = 7.9 ft/s
kj/kg @ 500 metres = 23.394
kj/kg @ 1000 metres = 11.819
Krupp's Tank Formula: 2.469 @ 500 metres, 1.480mm @ 1000 metres.

Anyone want their cartridges analysed?

Sure

What info do you need?

Barrel length, cartridge dimensions (see the above picture for a list of what dimensions I need), rifle weight, projectile design and pressure.

[Spreewerke]

Why 9mm, exactly?

Because if(read: when) I'm getting a handgun it's going to be a 9mm

If 10-round magazines were easier to find, I'd be pushing the Daewoo K5 onto you. I don't think anyone makes current-production 10-round magazines for them, though. Another good 9mm handgun would be, as you mentioned, a Glock (even if I do dislike a fair number of their traits), my favorite (and only not-hated) model of which being the G19. Nothing wrong with a 9mm 1911, either, but I'm not familiar with what makers make the better ones. I know Colt makes one, and I believe Rock Island Armory does, as well. The CZ-75 and its variants are also awesome 9mm handguns, if you haven't taken a look at those yet.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Weight per cartridge = 18.71g
Cartridges per kilogram = 53
Recoil Energy (8.8lb rifle)= 8.4 ft/lbs
Recoil Velocity (8.8lb rifle) = 7.9 ft/s
kj/kg @ 500 metres = 23.394
kj/kg @ 1000 metres = 11.819
Krupp's Tank Formula: 2.469 @ 500 metres, 1.480mm @ 1000 metres.

Would I be wrong in thinking that it's kind of. . . shit?

I find myself wondering how things would change if you did the longer, more aerodynamic projectile instead.

[Black Hand]

Because if(read: when) I'm getting a handgun it's going to be a 9mm

If 10-round magazines were easier to find, I'd be pushing the Daewoo K5 onto you. I don't think anyone makes current-production 10-round magazines for them, though. Another good 9mm handgun would be, as you mentioned, a Glock (even if I do dislike a fair number of their traits), my favorite (and only not-hated) model of which being the G19. Nothing wrong with a 9mm 1911, either, but I'm not familiar with what makers make the better ones. I know Colt makes one, and I believe Rock Island Armory does, as well. The CZ-75 and its variants are also awesome 9mm handguns, if you haven't taken a look at those yet.

I have looked at CZ-75. it, the Daewoo and glock are more withing my price range. in my opinion while Colt 1911's are great pistols they suffer a little too much from their popularity when it comes to price and people are willing to pay it. what's quality like on rock island?

[Aqizithiuda]

Weight per cartridge = 18.71g
Cartridges per kilogram = 53
Recoil Energy (8.8lb rifle)= 8.4 ft/lbs
Recoil Velocity (8.8lb rifle) = 7.9 ft/s
kj/kg @ 500 metres = 23.394
kj/kg @ 1000 metres = 11.819
Krupp's Tank Formula: 2.469 @ 500 metres, 1.480mm @ 1000 metres.

Would I be wrong in thinking that it's kind of. . . shit?

Nope.

[Nua Corda]

The M&P9 from Smith & Wesson is a great piece. It's got a 1911 profile grip angle, but a much higher grip which really lets you control the recoil, and 3 interchangeable backstrap/palmswells which can tailor it to any hand included with every model. It's just as reliable as a Glock, just as accurate, has a better trigger (IMO) and looks a lot nicer. It's also fully ambidextrous, and can be had either with or without a manual safety. Jerry Miculek uses one as his 3-gun competition piece (albeit a 5in model with a trigger job and quadraporting), so you know it's good. And it's priced about the same as a Glock, if not cheaper.

400m shot with an M&P9 - Granted, Jerry Miculek is borderline super-human, but it's still a testament to the weapon itself

Honestly though, you should just go to a gun store, handle some pistols, and decide what you like. Pistols are very picky animals and what fits like a glove for one person might be the opposite for someone else.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Nope.

Hmm. . . Assuming I'm reading the spreadsheets correctly, my round is just about the shittiest one their. If not the shittiest.

Not sure if meh, or genuinely sad.

[Aqizithiuda]

Nope.

Hmm. . . Assuming I'm reading the spreadsheets correctly, my round is just about the shittiest one their. If not the shittiest.

Not sure if meh, or genuinely sad.

It's the shittiest. Just wait until I finish entering the data for the trajectory.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

It's the shittiest. Just wait until I finish entering the data for the trajectory.

Damn.

I'm rather shocked at what a colossal failure this round turned out to be. Admittedly I wasn't expecting gold, but damned if I wouldn't have been better off necking 7.62x39mm out to an 8mm bullet, or just ripping the 7.92x33mm Kurz wholesale.

[Spreewerke]

If 10-round magazines were easier to find, I'd be pushing the Daewoo K5 onto you. I don't think anyone makes current-production 10-round magazines for them, though. Another good 9mm handgun would be, as you mentioned, a Glock (even if I do dislike a fair number of their traits), my favorite (and only not-hated) model of which being the G19. Nothing wrong with a 9mm 1911, either, but I'm not familiar with what makers make the better ones. I know Colt makes one, and I believe Rock Island Armory does, as well. The CZ-75 and its variants are also awesome 9mm handguns, if you haven't taken a look at those yet.

I have looked at CZ-75. it, the Daewoo and glock are more withing my price range. in my opinion while Colt 1911's are great pistols they suffer a little too much from their popularity when it comes to price and people are willing to pay it. what's quality like on rock island?

Rock Island's .45ACP 1911s have been pretty great, as far as I know. The Colts are a bit more expensive because they put a little more work into them (parts mate up a bit tighter). Also worth remembering, RIA is a Philippines-based company, so their production costs are probably lower than other, US-based makers (same reason my High Standard 1911A1 was sub-$500.00: US company, but contracted a Filipino company to produce it). They take pride in their 1911s, though, so their quality is pretty darn good for the price.

[Aqizithiuda]

It's the shittiest. Just wait until I finish entering the data for the trajectory.

Damn.

I'm rather shocked at what a colossal failure this round turned out to be. Admittedly I wasn't expecting gold, but damned if I wouldn't have been better off necking 7.62x39mm out to an 8mm bullet, or just ripping the 7.92x33mm Kurz wholesale.

The excel spreadsheet I posted before now has the trajectories of the rounds I've done so far.

[Black Hand]

Anyone want their cartridges analysed?

If your offering.
projectile
Neck Diameter: 8.5mm
Shoulder Diameter: 11.6mm
Base Diameter: 12.5mm
Rim Diameter: 12.5mm
Case Length: 55mm
Overall Length: 78mm
Barrel: 457mm
max pressure: 60Kpsi
Rifle weight 4.7 Kg

[Yes Im Biop]

Fuck, I'll find my 10x90 what cha need to know? B Length, Speed, Weight,


Bullet Diameter:10mm (.393in)
Neck Diameter:10mm (.393in)
Shoulder Diameter:N.A.
Base Diameter:12mm
Rim Diameter:12mm
Rim Thickness:2mm
Case Length:90mm
Overall Length:90mm
Weight&Speed
500 grains/Grams?
3250, 3500, and 3950 feet per second.
Barrel Length: 1010 mm
Rifle Weight: 18.4lbs fully loaded


...WHy is my 404'd

[Premislyd]

Here's my "upgraded" 5.45x39mm
Projectile
The rifle is 2.9 kg unloaded; 3.28 kg loaded.

Neck Diameter: 7.6 mm
Shoulder Diameter: 9.6 mm
Base Diameter: 10.4 mm
Rim Diameter: 10.4 mm
Case Length: 39.8 mm
Overall Length: 57 mm

Maximum pressure is 56 kpsi

Barrel length: 420 mm

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

The excel spreadsheet I posted before now has the trajectories of the rounds I've done so far.

The trajectory chart is lacking names. The lines are labeled Series 1-8.

[Black Hand]

I have looked at CZ-75. it, the Daewoo and glock are more withing my price range. in my opinion while Colt 1911's are great pistols they suffer a little too much from their popularity when it comes to price and people are willing to pay it. what's quality like on rock island?

Rock Island's .45ACP 1911s have been pretty great, as far as I know. The Colts are a bit more expensive because they put a little more work into them (parts mate up a bit tighter). Also worth remembering, RIA is a Philippines-based company, so their production costs are probably lower than other, US-based makers (same reason my High Standard 1911A1 was sub-$500.00: US company, but contracted a Filipino company to produce it). They take pride in their 1911s, though, so their quality is pretty darn good for the price.

Worth remembering. I have a couple years yet (I'm going to get around to checking that thing with gun laws while enlisted though because if not then it could be as soon as next year)

[Aqizithiuda]

The excel spreadsheet I posted before now has the trajectories of the rounds I've done so far.

The trajectory chart is lacking names. The lines are labeled Series 1-8.

Should be fixed now.

[Yes Im Biop]

So long as no unforeseen morons raise up, Suppressors will soon be legal in Iowa.


Arch could you give me another ink to the 10x90 so I can save it this time? XD


And who made the Drag Coefficent chart thing of my 10x90 last time?

[Spreewerke]

Rock Island's .45ACP 1911s have been pretty great, as far as I know. The Colts are a bit more expensive because they put a little more work into them (parts mate up a bit tighter). Also worth remembering, RIA is a Philippines-based company, so their production costs are probably lower than other, US-based makers (same reason my High Standard 1911A1 was sub-$500.00: US company, but contracted a Filipino company to produce it). They take pride in their 1911s, though, so their quality is pretty darn good for the price.

Worth remembering. I have a couple years yet (I'm going to get around to checking that thing with gun laws while enlisted though because if not then it could be as soon as next year)

Don't forget the Beretta 92FS. Very solid design, and if you're being issued one (are you still doing ROTC?), I suppose it wouldn't hurt having a handgun back home that you've trained on when on base (different pistol, same design: all your raining would carry over). Your commercial model would be better than what you're issued, likely.

[Black Hand]

Worth remembering. I have a couple years yet (I'm going to get around to checking that thing with gun laws while enlisted though because if not then it could be as soon as next year)

Don't forget the Beretta 92FS. Very solid design, and if you're being issued one (are you still doing ROTC?), I suppose it wouldn't hurt having a handgun back home that you've trained on when on base (different pistol, same design: all your raining would carry over). Your commercial model would be better than what you're issued, likely.

I am thinking that as a valid option as well I honestly believe that the M9/92FS isn't that bad a pistol and it's still competitive around the $600 mark
as for ROTC....... I'm giving up on that I think (I haven't started as I was still under the maximum taken units). I'm probably just going to enlist US army Signal Corp. I'll talk to a recruiter seriously about both options. Entire thread's input welcome here cause I clearly have no clue what I'm doing.
EDIT: poor Aquiz being flooded with rounds

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Aqiz

Bullet Information:
Bullet diameter: 7.1mm
Bullet length: 34mm
Nose lengh: 21mm
Melpat diameter: .5mm
Drive band diameter: 7.1mm
Base diameter: 5mm
Boat-tail angle: 8.5°
Boat-tail length: 7mm
Weight: 143gr
Density: 10.4 gm/cc
Ballistic coefficient: .68(G1) .32(G7)

Cartridge information:
Parent case: 7mm Second Optimum
Case type: Rimless bottlenecked
Neck diameter: 8.0 mm
Shoulder diameter: 11.4 mm
Base diameter: 11.9 mm
Rim diameter: 12.0 mm
Rim thickness: 1.5 mm
Case length: 47 mm
Overall length: 74 mm

Barrel length 20 in
63kpa
4.2kg loaded

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

EDIT: poor Aquiz being flooded with rounds

Don't be fooled. He loves it.

[San-Silvacian]

wow all this talk about good 9mm pistol and the Hi-Power doesn't come up once.

fags.

[Black Hand]

wow all this talk about good 9mm pistol and the Hi-Power doesn't come up once.

fags.

CZ-75 =/=Hi-power? Besides while I'd love a Hi-power $1k on a pistol isn't practical for me right now. (college, becoming independent of my parents entirely, Girlfriend that I'm getting very serious with so that might change soon)