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Who will OP the next iteration of the IDT?

Aqizithiuda
36
27%
Benomia
34
25%
Dread Lady Nathicana
6
4%
Kyrusia
3
2%
Purpelia
11
8%
Samoz (Imperializt Russia)
8
6%
Spreewerke
14
10%
Transnapastain
9
7%
Ulfr-Reich / Aethal
3
2%
United states of brazilian nations
10
7%
 
Total votes : 134

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Bezombia
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Postby Bezombia » Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:58 pm

Premislyd wrote:
The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:Right, I got that far.

What confuses me is the necessity, or even logic, behind the creation of said round. It seems a rather silly combination of the 7.92mm Mauser and 7.62mmR, which promises none of the benefits of either.


Huh? 7.62x54mmR has a 7.92 mm bullet.


But a 7.62mm bore.

Nine times out of ten, cartridges are not measured at the bullet.
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Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.
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Postby Premislyd » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:00 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Premislyd wrote:
Huh? 7.62x54mmR has a 7.92 mm bullet.


But a 7.62mm bore.

Nine times out of ten, cartridges are not measured at the bullet.


And that's relevant how, exactly?
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:22 pm

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:16.8 is what the SP5 projectile weighs.

I can manage around 16.5g with a longer projectile, but I'm not sure it'll fit properly. I'll need to redo the powly and look into it.

And futr armour stronk.

Indeed.

Can I assume that futr 2015 propellants can boost said velocity to 1.3km/s or greater?


Probably not. Current top of the line propellants offer a 40-50 m/s increase without any increased pressure.

And because my phone hates quoting more than one person, it's the 4.6mm that's been pushed to it's limits, not the 5.7mm.
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Postby Puzikas » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:25 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:And because my phone hates quoting more than one person, it's the 4.6mm that's been pushed to it's limits, not the 5.7mm.

This on both accounts.

I love my droid, but y u no good at forum typing.

And also, standard "I hate 4.6" stuff here.

Tule wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:
Disappoint implies you had hope for such a novelty piece of crappe.


Or that it performed even worse than I thought.

3 inches of petal penetration is pathetic.


Based on the manufacturing test, its shocking.

Based on real world expectations, its not very shocking. Its actually outright funny. I must admit however, they did have me fooled at first, along with a number of people.

This isn't stopping me from buying some and doing a test on it against some metal and vests and such though.
You know, if anyone wants to see that.
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Postby Black Hand » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:27 pm

Puzikas wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:And because my phone hates quoting more than one person, it's the 4.6mm that's been pushed to it's limits, not the 5.7mm.

This on both accounts.

I love my droid, but y u no good at forum typing.

And also, standard "I hate 4.6" stuff here.

Tule wrote:
Or that it performed even worse than I thought.

3 inches of petal penetration is pathetic.


Based on the manufacturing test, its shocking.

Based on real world expectations, its not very shocking. Its actually outright funny. I must admit however, they did have me fooled at first, along with a number of people.

This isn't stopping me from buying some and doing a test on it against some metal and vests and such though.
You know, if anyone wants to see that.

Same here, Droid maxx is so nice but so bad for NS and other forums.


That would be awesome to see the results of.


at some point I'm going to do some boring testing of 7.62X54R against 1/2 steel plate at 50m because I can also because I bought some MFS 7.62X54R and am curious to see how it compares to milsurp and winchester softpoints. might waste one of my precious barnes lead free's on it.
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Puzikas wrote:You clearly don't know about the baby bald eagle built into each one.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Why is there a "joke option" included in the poll when "yes" is already there?

Fordorsia wrote:Sight rib? Like a barbecue?

Fordorsia wrote:Why sell the restored weapons when you can keep them in a military-themed sex dungeon?

San-Silvacian wrote:Nothing says I love you like a fine Belgian firearm.

Bezombia wrote: "glorious discharge"

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Postby Bezombia » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:27 pm

I'd be interested enough to read through it were it posted, but not interested enough to specifically request someone to purchase it just for such an analysis.
Hm...
Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon...but down this road we've been so many times...
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Sauritican wrote:We've all been spending too much time with Ben
Verdum wrote:Hey girl, is your name Karl Marx? Because your starting an uprising in my lower classes.
Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.
Equestican wrote:Ben is love, Ben is life.
Sediczja wrote:real eyes realize real lies
I'm a poet. Come read my poems!

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Postby Premislyd » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:29 pm

[quote="Puzikas";p="19034039"]
I love my droid, but y u no good at forum typing./quote]

Galaxy Note 3

*nods*
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Postby Bezombia » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:30 pm

Premislyd wrote:
Puzikas wrote:I love my droid, but y u no good at forum typing./quote]

Galaxy Note 3

*nods*


not sure if intentionally ironic
or unintentionally ironic
Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon...but down this road we've been so many times...
Please, call me Benomia. Post count +14623, founded Oct. 23, 2012.
Sauritican wrote:We've all been spending too much time with Ben
Verdum wrote:Hey girl, is your name Karl Marx? Because your starting an uprising in my lower classes.
Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.
Equestican wrote:Ben is love, Ben is life.
Sediczja wrote:real eyes realize real lies
I'm a poet. Come read my poems!

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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:31 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Premislyd wrote:


not sure if intentionally ironic
or unintentionally ironic

This has to do with guns...how?

I got a question. How early could a M16 be used with a gas piston system?

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Postby Black Hand » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:32 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
not sure if intentionally ironic
or unintentionally ironic

This has to do with guns...how?

I got a question. How early could a M16 be used with a gas piston system?

sorta
Servus patriae
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Pax Per potestatem
I live in a World all my own.
Puzikas wrote:You clearly don't know about the baby bald eagle built into each one.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Why is there a "joke option" included in the poll when "yes" is already there?

Fordorsia wrote:Sight rib? Like a barbecue?

Fordorsia wrote:Why sell the restored weapons when you can keep them in a military-themed sex dungeon?

San-Silvacian wrote:Nothing says I love you like a fine Belgian firearm.

Bezombia wrote: "glorious discharge"

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Postby Bezombia » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:33 pm

Black Hand wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:This has to do with guns...how?

I got a question. How early could a M16 be used with a gas piston system?

sorta


One year earlier!
Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon...but down this road we've been so many times...
Please, call me Benomia. Post count +14623, founded Oct. 23, 2012.
Sauritican wrote:We've all been spending too much time with Ben
Verdum wrote:Hey girl, is your name Karl Marx? Because your starting an uprising in my lower classes.
Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.
Equestican wrote:Ben is love, Ben is life.
Sediczja wrote:real eyes realize real lies
I'm a poet. Come read my poems!

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Postby Black Hand » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:36 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Black Hand wrote:sorta


One year earlier!

forgot that.

am I the only one surprised that the Stoner 63 isn't used by any of the regulars? it's modularity was way ahead of it's time and it's the ultimate hipster rifle that doesn't sacrifice effectiveness for obscurity
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Servus patriae
C&C Based PMT
Pax Per potestatem
I live in a World all my own.
Puzikas wrote:You clearly don't know about the baby bald eagle built into each one.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Why is there a "joke option" included in the poll when "yes" is already there?

Fordorsia wrote:Sight rib? Like a barbecue?

Fordorsia wrote:Why sell the restored weapons when you can keep them in a military-themed sex dungeon?

San-Silvacian wrote:Nothing says I love you like a fine Belgian firearm.

Bezombia wrote: "glorious discharge"

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Postby Bezombia » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:37 pm

Black Hand wrote:

forgot that.

am I the only one surprised that the Stoner 63 isn't used by any of the regulars? it's modularity was way ahead of it's time and it's the ultimate hipster rifle


In assault rifle form, it weighed ten pounds.

That's completely unacceptable for a modern rifle.
Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon...but down this road we've been so many times...
Please, call me Benomia. Post count +14623, founded Oct. 23, 2012.
Sauritican wrote:We've all been spending too much time with Ben
Verdum wrote:Hey girl, is your name Karl Marx? Because your starting an uprising in my lower classes.
Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.
Equestican wrote:Ben is love, Ben is life.
Sediczja wrote:real eyes realize real lies
I'm a poet. Come read my poems!

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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:39 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Black Hand wrote:forgot that.

am I the only one surprised that the Stoner 63 isn't used by any of the regulars? it's modularity was way ahead of it's time and it's the ultimate hipster rifle


In assault rifle form, it weighed ten pounds.

That's completely unacceptable for a modern rifle.

The M14 still exists with its 10 lbs of American-made "FUCK YEAH!" in multiple roles.

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Postby Black Hand » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:40 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Black Hand wrote:forgot that.

am I the only one surprised that the Stoner 63 isn't used by any of the regulars? it's modularity was way ahead of it's time and it's the ultimate hipster rifle


In assault rifle form, it weighed ten pounds.

That's completely unacceptable for a modern rifle.

where it says AR that's automatic rifle as in IAR rifle form weighed less than 8

The Republic of Lanos wrote:The M14 still exists with its 10 lbs of American-made "FUCK YEAH!" in multiple roles.

ever held one lanos?
they're very satisfying weight wise.
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Servus patriae
C&C Based PMT
Pax Per potestatem
I live in a World all my own.
Puzikas wrote:You clearly don't know about the baby bald eagle built into each one.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Why is there a "joke option" included in the poll when "yes" is already there?

Fordorsia wrote:Sight rib? Like a barbecue?

Fordorsia wrote:Why sell the restored weapons when you can keep them in a military-themed sex dungeon?

San-Silvacian wrote:Nothing says I love you like a fine Belgian firearm.

Bezombia wrote: "glorious discharge"

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Postby Bezombia » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:41 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
In assault rifle form, it weighed ten pounds.

That's completely unacceptable for a modern rifle.

The M14 still exists with its 10 lbs of American-made "FUCK YEAH!" in multiple roles.


The M14 fires a full power rifle cartridge. The Stoner 63 fires 5.56x45 NATO. There's no reason for it to be that heavy.
Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon...but down this road we've been so many times...
Please, call me Benomia. Post count +14623, founded Oct. 23, 2012.
Sauritican wrote:We've all been spending too much time with Ben
Verdum wrote:Hey girl, is your name Karl Marx? Because your starting an uprising in my lower classes.
Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.
Equestican wrote:Ben is love, Ben is life.
Sediczja wrote:real eyes realize real lies
I'm a poet. Come read my poems!

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Postby Bezombia » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:41 pm

Black Hand wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
In assault rifle form, it weighed ten pounds.

That's completely unacceptable for a modern rifle.

where it says AR that's automatic rifle as in IAR rifle form weighed less than 8


Still almost four pounds heavier than the AR-15.
Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon...but down this road we've been so many times...
Please, call me Benomia. Post count +14623, founded Oct. 23, 2012.
Sauritican wrote:We've all been spending too much time with Ben
Verdum wrote:Hey girl, is your name Karl Marx? Because your starting an uprising in my lower classes.
Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.
Equestican wrote:Ben is love, Ben is life.
Sediczja wrote:real eyes realize real lies
I'm a poet. Come read my poems!

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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:42 pm

Bezombia wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:The M14 still exists with its 10 lbs of American-made "FUCK YEAH!" in multiple roles.


The M14 fires a full power rifle cartridge. The Stoner 63 fires 5.56x45 NATO. There's no reason for it to be that heavy.

What if I told you Stoner 63 was used be US special forces, namely the SEALs, in Vietnam and up until the M249 came into service in the 1980s?

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Postby Bezombia » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:43 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
Bezombia wrote:
The M14 fires a full power rifle cartridge. The Stoner 63 fires 5.56x45 NATO. There's no reason for it to be that heavy.

What if I told you Stoner 63 was used be US special forces, namely the SEALs, in Vietnam and up until the M249 came into service in the 1980s?


If it was replaced by the M249, it clearly isn't a suitable replacement for the M16.


I'm not saying it's a bad weapon. I'm saying it's a bad idea to issue it as your main rifle.
Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon...but down this road we've been so many times...
Please, call me Benomia. Post count +14623, founded Oct. 23, 2012.
Sauritican wrote:We've all been spending too much time with Ben
Verdum wrote:Hey girl, is your name Karl Marx? Because your starting an uprising in my lower classes.
Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.
Equestican wrote:Ben is love, Ben is life.
Sediczja wrote:real eyes realize real lies
I'm a poet. Come read my poems!

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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:45 pm

Bezombia wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:What if I told you Stoner 63 was used be US special forces, namely the SEALs, in Vietnam and up until the M249 came into service in the 1980s?


If it was replaced by the M249, it clearly isn't a suitable replacement for the M16.


I'm not saying it's a bad weapon. I'm saying it's a bad idea to issue it as your main rifle.

And I come to realize the Stoner 63 LMG is lighter than the M249. However, that the reason it was replaced by the M249 was because of commonality reasons still does not excuse its previous service during Vietnam because of weight.

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Postby Puzikas » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:45 pm

You clearly don't know about the baby bald eagle built into each one.
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Usually waiting for Puz ;-;

Goodbye.

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Postby Black Hand » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:46 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Black Hand wrote:where it says AR that's automatic rifle as in IAR rifle form weighed less than 8


Still almost four pounds heavier than the AR-15.

Really now?


@SEALS
they used it as it's beltfed version with the commando length barrel
Puzikas wrote:You clearly don't know about the baby bald eagle built into each one.

I'm going to find a home for this in my sig.
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I live in a World all my own.
Puzikas wrote:You clearly don't know about the baby bald eagle built into each one.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Why is there a "joke option" included in the poll when "yes" is already there?

Fordorsia wrote:Sight rib? Like a barbecue?

Fordorsia wrote:Why sell the restored weapons when you can keep them in a military-themed sex dungeon?

San-Silvacian wrote:Nothing says I love you like a fine Belgian firearm.

Bezombia wrote: "glorious discharge"

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Postby Aqizithiuda » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:48 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Black Hand wrote:where it says AR that's automatic rifle as in IAR rifle form weighed less than 8


Still almost four pounds heavier than the AR-15.


AR-15s weigh four pounds?!?!!1?
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Puzikas wrote:Im not cheep-You can quote me on that.


Hellraiser-Army wrote:and clearly I am surrounded by idiots who never looked at a blueprint before...


Live fire is not an effective means of communication.

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Postby Bezombia » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:50 pm

Image

why
what use could this possibly have

how are you even supposed to use those sights
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Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon...but down this road we've been so many times...
Please, call me Benomia. Post count +14623, founded Oct. 23, 2012.
Sauritican wrote:We've all been spending too much time with Ben
Verdum wrote:Hey girl, is your name Karl Marx? Because your starting an uprising in my lower classes.
Black Hand wrote:New plan is to just make thousands of disposable firearms and dump them out of cargo planes with tiny drag chutes attached.
Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
Spreewerke wrote:Salt the women, rape the earth.
Equestican wrote:Ben is love, Ben is life.
Sediczja wrote:real eyes realize real lies
I'm a poet. Come read my poems!

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Postby Premislyd » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:51 pm

Puzikas wrote:You clearly don't know about the baby bald eagle built into each one.


Clearly you don't either, because there's no bald eagle built into it, but rather a miniature Yankee Stadium.
Just a heads up, I suffer from [insert stereotypical internet illness here], and will use it as an excuse instead of taking responsibility for my actions.
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