NS infantry discussion thread. Mark II

[Bezombia]

Right, I got that far.

What confuses me is the necessity, or even logic, behind the creation of said round. It seems a rather silly combination of the 7.92mm Mauser and 7.62mmR, which promises none of the benefits of either.

Huh? 7.62x54mmR has a 7.92 mm bullet.

But a 7.62mm bore.

Nine times out of ten, cartridges are not measured at the bullet.

[Premislyd]

Huh? 7.62x54mmR has a 7.92 mm bullet.

But a 7.62mm bore.

Nine times out of ten, cartridges are not measured at the bullet.

And that's relevant how, exactly?

[Aqizithiuda]

16.8 is what the SP5 projectile weighs.

I can manage around 16.5g with a longer projectile, but I'm not sure it'll fit properly. I'll need to redo the powly and look into it.

And futr armour stronk.

Indeed.

Can I assume that futr 2015 propellants can boost said velocity to 1.3km/s or greater?

Probably not. Current top of the line propellants offer a 40-50 m/s increase without any increased pressure.

And because my phone hates quoting more than one person, it's the 4.6mm that's been pushed to it's limits, not the 5.7mm.

[Puzikas]

And because my phone hates quoting more than one person, it's the 4.6mm that's been pushed to it's limits, not the 5.7mm.

This on both accounts.

I love my droid, but y u no good at forum typing.

And also, standard "I hate 4.6" stuff here.

Disappoint implies you had hope for such a novelty piece of crappe.

Or that it performed even worse than I thought.

3 inches of petal penetration is pathetic.

Based on the manufacturing test, its shocking.

Based on real world expectations, its not very shocking. Its actually outright funny. I must admit however, they did have me fooled at first, along with a number of people.

This isn't stopping me from buying some and doing a test on it against some metal and vests and such though.
You know, if anyone wants to see that.

[Black Hand]

And because my phone hates quoting more than one person, it's the 4.6mm that's been pushed to it's limits, not the 5.7mm.

This on both accounts.

I love my droid, but y u no good at forum typing.

And also, standard "I hate 4.6" stuff here.

Or that it performed even worse than I thought.

3 inches of petal penetration is pathetic.

Based on the manufacturing test, its shocking.

Based on real world expectations, its not very shocking. Its actually outright funny. I must admit however, they did have me fooled at first, along with a number of people.

This isn't stopping me from buying some and doing a test on it against some metal and vests and such though.
You know, if anyone wants to see that.

Same here, Droid maxx is so nice but so bad for NS and other forums.


That would be awesome to see the results of.


at some point I'm going to do some boring testing of 7.62X54R against 1/2 steel plate at 50m because I can also because I bought some MFS 7.62X54R and am curious to see how it compares to milsurp and winchester softpoints. might waste one of my precious barnes lead free's on it.

[Bezombia]

I'd be interested enough to read through it were it posted, but not interested enough to specifically request someone to purchase it just for such an analysis.
Hm...

[Premislyd]

[quote="Puzikas";p="19034039"]
I love my droid, but y u no good at forum typing./quote]

Galaxy Note 3

*nods*

[Bezombia]

I love my droid, but y u no good at forum typing./quote]

Galaxy Note 3

*nods*

not sure if intentionally ironic
or unintentionally ironic

[The Republic of Lanos]

not sure if intentionally ironic
or unintentionally ironic

This has to do with guns...how?

I got a question. How early could a M16 be used with a gas piston system?

[Black Hand]

not sure if intentionally ironic
or unintentionally ironic

This has to do with guns...how?

I got a question. How early could a M16 be used with a gas piston system?

sorta

[Bezombia]

This has to do with guns...how?

I got a question. How early could a M16 be used with a gas piston system?

sorta

One year earlier!

[Black Hand]

sorta

One year earlier!

forgot that.

am I the only one surprised that the Stoner 63 isn't used by any of the regulars? it's modularity was way ahead of it's time and it's the ultimate hipster rifle that doesn't sacrifice effectiveness for obscurity

[Bezombia]

One year earlier!

forgot that.

am I the only one surprised that the Stoner 63 isn't used by any of the regulars? it's modularity was way ahead of it's time and it's the ultimate hipster rifle

In assault rifle form, it weighed ten pounds.

That's completely unacceptable for a modern rifle.

[The Republic of Lanos]

forgot that.

am I the only one surprised that the Stoner 63 isn't used by any of the regulars? it's modularity was way ahead of it's time and it's the ultimate hipster rifle

In assault rifle form, it weighed ten pounds.

That's completely unacceptable for a modern rifle.

The M14 still exists with its 10 lbs of American-made "FUCK YEAH!" in multiple roles.

[Black Hand]

forgot that.

am I the only one surprised that the Stoner 63 isn't used by any of the regulars? it's modularity was way ahead of it's time and it's the ultimate hipster rifle

In assault rifle form, it weighed ten pounds.

That's completely unacceptable for a modern rifle.

where it says AR that's automatic rifle as in IAR rifle form weighed less than 8

The M14 still exists with its 10 lbs of American-made "FUCK YEAH!" in multiple roles.

ever held one lanos?
they're very satisfying weight wise.

[Bezombia]

In assault rifle form, it weighed ten pounds.

That's completely unacceptable for a modern rifle.

The M14 still exists with its 10 lbs of American-made "FUCK YEAH!" in multiple roles.

The M14 fires a full power rifle cartridge. The Stoner 63 fires 5.56x45 NATO. There's no reason for it to be that heavy.

[Bezombia]

In assault rifle form, it weighed ten pounds.

That's completely unacceptable for a modern rifle.

where it says AR that's automatic rifle as in IAR rifle form weighed less than 8

Still almost four pounds heavier than the AR-15.

[The Republic of Lanos]

The M14 still exists with its 10 lbs of American-made "FUCK YEAH!" in multiple roles.

The M14 fires a full power rifle cartridge. The Stoner 63 fires 5.56x45 NATO. There's no reason for it to be that heavy.

What if I told you Stoner 63 was used be US special forces, namely the SEALs, in Vietnam and up until the M249 came into service in the 1980s?

[Bezombia]

The M14 fires a full power rifle cartridge. The Stoner 63 fires 5.56x45 NATO. There's no reason for it to be that heavy.

What if I told you Stoner 63 was used be US special forces, namely the SEALs, in Vietnam and up until the M249 came into service in the 1980s?

If it was replaced by the M249, it clearly isn't a suitable replacement for the M16.


I'm not saying it's a bad weapon. I'm saying it's a bad idea to issue it as your main rifle.

[The Republic of Lanos]

What if I told you Stoner 63 was used be US special forces, namely the SEALs, in Vietnam and up until the M249 came into service in the 1980s?

If it was replaced by the M249, it clearly isn't a suitable replacement for the M16.


I'm not saying it's a bad weapon. I'm saying it's a bad idea to issue it as your main rifle.

And I come to realize the Stoner 63 LMG is lighter than the M249. However, that the reason it was replaced by the M249 was because of commonality reasons still does not excuse its previous service during Vietnam because of weight.

[Puzikas]

You clearly don't know about the baby bald eagle built into each one.

[Black Hand]

where it says AR that's automatic rifle as in IAR rifle form weighed less than 8

Still almost four pounds heavier than the AR-15.

Really now?

7.18 lb (3.26 kg) (unloaded)
8.79 lb (4.0 kg) (loaded)

@SEALS
they used it as it's beltfed version with the commando length barrel

You clearly don't know about the baby bald eagle built into each one.

I'm going to find a home for this in my sig.

[Aqizithiuda]

where it says AR that's automatic rifle as in IAR rifle form weighed less than 8

Still almost four pounds heavier than the AR-15.

AR-15s weigh four pounds?!?!!1?

[Bezombia]

why
what use could this possibly have

how are you even supposed to use those sights

[Premislyd]

You clearly don't know about the baby bald eagle built into each one.

Clearly you don't either, because there's no bald eagle built into it, but rather a miniature Yankee Stadium.