NS infantry discussion thread. Mark II

[Black Hand]

Peoples, what firearm has seen more official service in your nation than any other?

For Fordorsia, it is the Mk.1 Autocannon that was first issued in 1915 and is still in service today.
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Probably the CR-06 in 7.62X54R then later in 7.62X55 and 9.3X64 Essentially a Overbuilt Notross rifle I'm still trying to work out all the kinks in the design of the ross so it'll function it'll probably be my first internals drawing.

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[Sediczja]

Peoples, what firearm has seen more official service in your nation than any other?

For Fordorsia, it is the Mk.1 Autocannon that was first issued in 1915 and is still in service today.
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The m/21.31 Cavalry Carbine, until I draw something older. It survives on as the m/41.44 sniper's rifle.

[Bezombia]

Wait, explain that rifle's service timeline. You weren't using it as the service rifle after the first half of the 20th century were you?

Officially it was the main service rifle from 1895 until 1939, although realistically it was the most used rifle up until 1945. A modified version served as the main sniper rifle from 1895 up through modern day.

[Alaska-Yukon]

The allied states is proud to announce the adoption of the AK12 as its standard issue rifle

[Connahkstan]

Can anybody tell me if it would be a good idea to equip all infantryman in my army with a sidearm, or just the folk who don't carry a bayonet (Like officerss, machinegunners, snipers, anti-tank infantry, so on). Or should I just invest in more marksmanship training for my soldiers, and give them more ammo? Which one would be a better idea?

[Puzikas]

If you discuss handguns, they will come...

Before this dissolves into madness:

Handguns are typically not a rifleman asset. It is not wrong to have them issued to people like Marksmen, MG gunners, and soldiers who will not be typically in (dismounted) combat.

The weight of a handgun and ammunition itself is more useful to the rifleman as ammunition than as a weapon who's engagement range and capacity is less than that of a rifle.

[Black Hand]

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[Arkandros]

If you discuss handguns, they will come...

Before this dissolves into madness:

Handguns are typically not a rifleman asset. It is not wrong to have them issued to people like Marksmen, MG gunners, and soldiers who will not be typically in (dismounted) combat.

The weight of a handgun and ammunition itself is more useful to the rifleman as ammunition than as a weapon who's engagement range and capacity is less than that of a rifle.

IRL, the US military only issues the M9 to colonels and up (in the army and marines) and petty officer first class and up (in the navy). Everyone else gets a rifle (usually the m4).

[Black Hand]

If you discuss handguns, they will come...

Before this dissolves into madness:

Handguns are typically not a rifleman asset. It is not wrong to have them issued to people like Marksmen, MG gunners, and soldiers who will not be typically in (dismounted) combat.

The weight of a handgun and ammunition itself is more useful to the rifleman as ammunition than as a weapon who's engagement range and capacity is less than that of a rifle.

IRL, the US military only issues the M9 to colonels and up (in the army and marines) and petty officer first class and up (in the navy). Everyone else gets a rifle (usually the m4).

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No.
man on the left is a major, has an M9, AFAIK nearly every officer has a sidearm. Though the M4/PDR would be the way to go for Most infantry, officers PDW is better for range, combat effectiveness only losses are size and weight even weight Is a questionable downside

[Nua Corda]

Can anybody tell me if it would be a good idea to equip all infantryman in my army with a sidearm, or just the folk who don't carry a bayonet (Like officerss, machinegunners, snipers, anti-tank infantry, so on). Or should I just invest in more marksmanship training for my soldiers, and give them more ammo? Which one would be a better idea?

A handgun and ammunition is just dead weight for a rifleman. When it comes to handguns, there are two maxims: If the enemy is within pistol range, you should be retreating, and a pistol is a weapon you use on your way to a rifle. A pistol is a last-ditch weapon of desparation that you only use when shit has well and truly gone FUBAR.

An infantryman is never going to use a handgun, realistically. The service rifle is superior in every way at all but point blank range. So, you only give pistols to troops who don't carry a service rifle: snipers, gunners, vehicle crews, officers, MPs, etc. And for most of those people, a PDW or machine pistol of some sort is superior anyway. I would suggest issuing pistols to officers, machine gunners and special forces. Everyone else gets a service rifle or a PDW.

[Aqizithiuda]

Can anybody tell me if it would be a good idea to equip all infantryman in my army with a sidearm, or just the folk who don't carry a bayonet (Like officerss, machinegunners, snipers, anti-tank infantry, so on). Or should I just invest in more marksmanship training for my soldiers, and give them more ammo? Which one would be a better idea?

A handgun and ammunition is just dead weight for a rifleman. When it comes to handguns, there are two maxims: If the enemy is within pistol range, you should be retreating, and a pistol is a weapon you use on your way to a rifle. A pistol is a last-ditch weapon of desparation that you only use when shit has well and truly gone FUBAR.

An infantryman is never going to use a handgun, realistically. The service rifle is superior in every way at all but point blank range. So, you only give pistols to troops who don't carry a service rifle: snipers, gunners, vehicle crews, officers, MPs, etc. And for most of those people, a PDW or machine pistol of some sort is superior anyway. I would suggest issuing pistols to officers, machine gunners and special forces. Everyone else gets a service rifle or a PDW.

The French have, apparently, begun a widespread rollout of pistols following experiences in cave fighting.

[Black Hand]

Can anybody tell me if it would be a good idea to equip all infantryman in my army with a sidearm, or just the folk who don't carry a bayonet (Like officerss, machinegunners, snipers, anti-tank infantry, so on). Or should I just invest in more marksmanship training for my soldiers, and give them more ammo? Which one would be a better idea?

A handgun and ammunition is just dead weight for a rifleman. When it comes to handguns, there are two maxims: If the enemy is within pistol range, you should be retreating, and a pistol is a weapon you use on your way to a rifle. A pistol is a last-ditch weapon of desparation that you only use when shit has well and truly gone FUBAR.

An infantryman is never going to use a handgun, realistically. The service rifle is superior in every way at all but point blank range. So, you only give pistols to troops who don't carry a service rifle: snipers, gunners, vehicle crews, officers, MPs, etc. And for most of those people, a PDW or machine pistol of some sort is superior anyway. I would suggest issuing pistols to officers, machine gunners and special forces. Everyone else gets a service rifle or a PDW.

This.

Just like Puzikas said too.

Its really hard to find a situation beyond extreme close quarters, tunnel rats, and anyone likely to find themselves somewhere unpleasant, where I would rather have a pistol over a Carbine or SMG If the enemy is so close that you cannot bring a SMG or carbine to bear then you are already in over your head. Outside 5-7 meters I can't see an issue where a Carbine/Rifle/PDW isn't superior. though for some the weight is worth it

The French have, apparently, begun a widespread rollout of pistols following experiences in cave fighting.

No surprise really. that actually makes a lot of sense, they issue the Glock 17 right? it's only 1/2 a kilo loaded a glock 17 and 2 extra mags wold be worth while if you expect to find yourself in dark, close, crowded spaces.

[Puzikas]

Caves are not a standard circumstance generally. In Afghanistan most definitely they have a practical application however.

I would say for FIBUA or ACQB, the handgun is one of the few time a rifle man will need to have such a weapon. But if you anticipate fighting in a place where neither of these are going to be major factors/are unanticipated, a handgun is just another logistical constraint and extra weight. Granted the 1-2kg that it might take up isn't necessarily weight that limits the soldier, but its weight that would better be used as ammunition (or not at all).

[Black Hand]

2 Stage or single stage Trigger on Military rifles? also would it be worth while to put slight slits in the front of the muzzle break on my rifles to Emulate the wire Cutter effect of the RK62?

[Imperializt Russia]

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HMM, DOESN'T THIS LOOK FAMILIAR
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[Triplebaconation]

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.365 Super stamped steel master race.

Looks more like a home workshop gun than stamped steel. For one thing, there's a notable lack of stampings.

The worst feature, of course, is the safety. It looks tailor-made to poke people in the side and especially prone to bending, twisting and snapping quite quickly. A simple L or T shape or wire loop would be far easier and more practical. Or at least as practical as a pistol safety that requires both hands can be.

There are a good deal of right angles, which aren't preferred for stamping. Stamped components typically have rounded corners. The frame especially will be prone to snagging and weak.

It's weird to use a pipe for a slide, which has to be open at the bottom. A U shape is easy to stamp, while a pipe would have to be precisely and laboriously sectioned. There's not a hint of guide rails or any kind of lugs or anything.

The wraparound grips would take a great deal of time to fit. If wood has to be used, simple panel grips would be easier, wouldn't waste as much wood and could be stamped with checkers. What kind of wood is that, by the way? It looks dark, hence expensive. Cheap wood like birch would be used, at most finished with iodine.

Speaking of finishes, what kind is the relatively light flat gray typical of your drawings supposed to represent? Galvanization or something?

I'm not sure how those sights would be stamped out of the slide like they look like. There aren't any slide serrations at all, which is odd, since they're quite easy to stamp. They would certainly make working the unusual tubular slide easier.

[Bezombia]

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.365 Super stamped steel master race.

Looks more like a home workshop gun than stamped steel. For one thing, there's a notable lack of stampings.

The worst feature, of course, is the safety. It looks tailor-made to poke people in the side and especially prone to bending, twisting and snapping quite quickly. A simple L or T shape or wire loop would be far easier and more practical. Or at least as practical as a pistol safety that requires both hands can be.

There are a good deal of right angles, which aren't preferred for stamping. Stamped components typically have rounded corners. The frame especially will be prone to snagging and weak.

It's weird to use a pipe for a slide, which has to be open at the bottom. A U shape is easy to stamp, while a pipe would have to be precisely and laboriously sectioned. There's not a hint of guide rails or any kind of lugs or anything.

The wraparound grips would take a great deal of time to fit. If wood has to be used, simple panel grips would be easier, wouldn't waste as much wood and could be stamped with checkers. What kind of wood is that, by the way? It looks dark, hence expensive. Cheap wood like birch would be used, at most finished with iodine.

Speaking of finishes, what kind is the relatively light flat gray typical of your drawings supposed to represent? Galvanization or something?

I'm not sure how those sights would be stamped out of the slide like they look like. There aren't any slide serrations at all, which is odd, since they're quite easy to stamp. They would certainly make working the unusual tubular slide easier.

Maybe the grips are in two peices that just make one continuous shape when screwed onto the frame?

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

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9.3x30mm subsonic/multiple flechette cartridge for infantry rifle of teh futr.
Y/N?

Preliminary calculations suggest a muzzle velocity of 275m/s with 11g projectile, or 1.2km/s with three .65g WC flechettes. Both values from a 330mm barrel.

[Purpelia]

A handgun and ammunition is just dead weight for a rifleman. When it comes to handguns, there are two maxims: If the enemy is within pistol range, you should be retreating, and a pistol is a weapon you use on your way to a rifle. A pistol is a last-ditch weapon of desparation that you only use when shit has well and truly gone FUBAR.

*cough* I think you mean, "you should draw your bayonet".

[Puzikas]

Federal Ammunition has made an online ballistics calculator for both their factory loads of ammunition and custom hand loads.

This is exciting to me for different reasons than it might be for you, as I shoot mostly Federal ammunition when I can't get surplus, but here you go.

http://www.federalpremium.com/ballistic ... fault.aspx

[Coltarin]

A handgun and ammunition is just dead weight for a rifleman. When it comes to handguns, there are two maxims: If the enemy is within pistol range, you should be retreating, and a pistol is a weapon you use on your way to a rifle. A pistol is a last-ditch weapon of desparation that you only use when shit has well and truly gone FUBAR.

*cough* I think you mean, "you should draw your bayonet".

Not one step backwards.

[Purpelia]

*cough* I think you mean, "you should draw your bayonet".

Not one step backwards.

Just common sense. Why should you run away and get gunned down when you could jab at the guy with your bayonet and either kill him or give your self and your allies an opening to shoot him dead?

[Imperializt Russia]

Looks more like a home workshop gun than stamped steel. For one thing, there's a notable lack of stampings.

The worst feature, of course, is the safety. It looks tailor-made to poke people in the side and especially prone to bending, twisting and snapping quite quickly. A simple L or T shape or wire loop would be far easier and more practical. Or at least as practical as a pistol safety that requires both hands can be.

There are a good deal of right angles, which aren't preferred for stamping. Stamped components typically have rounded corners. The frame especially will be prone to snagging and weak.

It's weird to use a pipe for a slide, which has to be open at the bottom. A U shape is easy to stamp, while a pipe would have to be precisely and laboriously sectioned. There's not a hint of guide rails or any kind of lugs or anything.

The wraparound grips would take a great deal of time to fit. If wood has to be used, simple panel grips would be easier, wouldn't waste as much wood and could be stamped with checkers. What kind of wood is that, by the way? It looks dark, hence expensive. Cheap wood like birch would be used, at most finished with iodine.

Speaking of finishes, what kind is the relatively light flat gray typical of your drawings supposed to represent? Galvanization or something?

I'm not sure how those sights would be stamped out of the slide like they look like. There aren't any slide serrations at all, which is odd, since they're quite easy to stamp. They would certainly make working the unusual tubular slide easier.

Maybe the grips are in two peices that just make one continuous shape when screwed onto the frame?

Still a lot more processing and materials involved than two rectangular slabs of cheap wood.
In addition, you'd then have a left side and right side piece, non-interchangeable. More work, more expense.

[Puzikas]

Federal Ammunition has made an online ballistics calculator for both their factory loads of ammunition and custom hand loads.

This is exciting to me for different reasons than it might be for you, as I shoot mostly Federal ammunition when I can't get surplus, but here you go.

http://www.federalpremium.com/ballistic ... fault.aspx

Just to add, another nice thing is they have ballistic coefficients for pistol caliber bullets, which is something that, while not necessarily needed or difficult to find, is nice to have

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

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