NS infantry discussion thread. Mark II

[Aqizithiuda]

So remember that "firmly rooted on realism" aspect of the MMW?

I see we've thrown all notion of that out the window.




So, moving this thread back to a logical topic...

What's the standard launcher in your nation (at the squad/platoon level)?

As a Russian analog, the standard launcher in my nation is the RPG-7V2. The gunner carries three warheads: Two PG-7VR and a single antipersonnel warhead, environment depending, either the OG-7V2 40mm Fragmentation warhead (lethal area: 7m) or the TBG-7V Thermobaric warhead (10m lethal area).

The assistant gunner carries four rockets, typically an additional PG-7VR warhead, an additional environmental warhead, and a pair of GSh-7VT anti-fortification warhead.

Trigg issues two Vorchat-2s per assault section, with two ANTO standard rifle grenades issued to each of the other members of the assault section.

[Britinthia]

As a mountainous/volcanic, subantarctic island nation I must have a ready supply mountain/alpine infantry. How should this be accomplished?
Im not sure if I should have mountain infantry battallions attached to my brigades/divisions, or if all infantry should be mountain trained. The downside to this is I had intended my light infantry to be entirely reserve forces on rotation, to keep costs down. Mountain training for all reserves seems like it could become a massive investment.

That said, with a total military, including reserves, of <400,000 and an army of around 300,000 (75-80,000 combat roles) I suppose I could afford it.
Whats the norm?

[Minroz]

I have a stupid question if anyone don't mind answering.

Should all soldiers wear chastity belt?

The idea behind it is basically to prevent rape and enforce discipline.

[Britinthia]

I have a stupid question if anyone don't mind answering.

Should all soldiers wear chastity belt?

The idea behind it is basically to prevent rape and enforce discipline.

That's going to be uncomfortable and counter-productive in the long run. Plus its unlikely to be amoured, meaning any nearby explosion or glancing blow is going to shoot all sorts of nastry shrapnel into the poor sods vegetables. Better to include better education and instilling clear moral obligations during basic training.

[Spirit of Hope]

As a mountainous/volcanic, subantarctic island nation I must have a ready supply mountain/alpine infantry. How should this be accomplished?
Im not sure if I should have mountain infantry battallions attached to my brigades/divisions, or if all infantry should be mountain trained. The downside to this is I had intended my light infantry to be entirely reserve forces on rotation, to keep costs down. Mountain training for all reserves seems like it could become a massive investment.

That said, with a total military, including reserves, of <400,000 and an army of around 300,000 (75-80,000 combat roles) I suppose I could afford it.
Whats the norm?

Well first "Mountain Infantry" is a rather ambiguous term. I would suggest just treating them like regular light/motorized infantry and just run all such units through some mountain fighting training every couple of years. Reserve units don't really need to be trained specifically for it, but if you organize them by geography you will get units from mountain regions that will naturally be good at dealing with the mountains.

I have a stupid question if anyone don't mind answering.

Should all soldiers wear chastity belt?

The idea behind it is basically to prevent rape and enforce discipline.

If they rape someone shoot them, if you want to be really mean about it have his unit carry out the shooting. And just like that rape goes down, discipline is restored. The main problem with rape, and other war crimes, is reporting it. If your army has a history of ignoring such crimes and trying to cover it up not many will get reported. But if you can train your troops to believe that anything that looks like a crime should be reported, and train your officers to look in to the reports, you can catch most cases. And your average grunt is less likely to try such things if he know there is a good chance he will be punished for it.

[Britinthia]

As a mountainous/volcanic, subantarctic island nation I must have a ready supply mountain/alpine infantry. How should this be accomplished?
Im not sure if I should have mountain infantry battallions attached to my brigades/divisions, or if all infantry should be mountain trained. The downside to this is I had intended my light infantry to be entirely reserve forces on rotation, to keep costs down. Mountain training for all reserves seems like it could become a massive investment.

That said, with a total military, including reserves, of <400,000 and an army of around 300,000 (75-80,000 combat roles) I suppose I could afford it.
Whats the norm?

Well first "Mountain Infantry" is a rather ambiguous term. I would suggest just treating them like regular light/motorized infantry and just run all such units through some mountain fighting training every couple of years. Reserve units don't really need to be trained specifically for it, but if you organize them by geography you will get units from mountain regions that will naturally be good at dealing with the mountains.

To be more precise on what I mean:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebirgsj%C3%A4ger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_warfare

Infantry who are trained to climb, ski and overcome natural obstacles such as glaciers. Adept at surviving in high altitude and cold weather conditions and are able to use the terrain to their advantage rather than fighting against it. The ability to source food and shelter in the wild would be a bonus.

I suppose the basics (e.g. don't walk across ice unsecured, deer = food) can be taught to all soldiers. As long as each platoon/company has a fully trained mountain leader they should be okay left to their own devices. And a half strength mountain warfare division should do to keep bad guys away.

[Bezombia]

I have a stupid question if anyone don't mind answering.

Should all soldiers wear chastity belt?

The idea behind it is basically to prevent rape and enforce discipline.

I can't speak for your army, but I know that that would be very counter-productive for Purp's army.

[Imperializt Russia]

No, he spent $300 on a .22LR bolt-action live-fire rifle and a scope and mount
You can buy Mosins for a Franklin apiece.

Airsoft is generally expensive. My one foray into Airsoft was a two-tone crappy plastic AEG G36-style thing. With low-capacity magazines (that you could at least clip together) and a mock suppressor that greatly improved its accuracy.

It cost me fifty English pounds.

Not to make you mad but I once bought a live fire .22 for the equal exchange rate for that.

Oh well.
M44 Mosins complete with bayonet seem to go for about the £250 mark here. That's like five times in the US :/

Not to make you mad but I once bought a live fire .22 for the equal exchange rate for that.

I believe my first new rifle cost 79 dollars. It lasted for 25-30,000 rounds before something non-essential broke.

Which non-essential component, out of interest?

Just had to explain to a good friend why the "AK-47" isn't what her and her family thought it was. She was impressed.

Thank you, Regulars.

...
Now why does a Liverpudlian family know about the AK-47 and are interested in its history?

Third one down, but with more pistol grippings and shortened barrels?

PKM IS OF ACCEPTING MAGAZINE, EAT SHIT COCK FAG M249 FOR PKM IS OF BETTER MACHINE GUN.

Also, Vahan + Volksturmgehwer + 5.45x39mm

y/n?

I've already drawn it out tbh.

It's not a PK.
It is a Kalashnikov though, it's the belt-fed RPK concept.

PKM IS OF ACCEPTING MAGAZINE, EAT SHIT COCK FAG M249 FOR PKM IS OF BETTER MACHINE GUN.

We already knew it was better.
Is there any sensible reason to make it so that your MG can take the magazines of your service rifle?

If you somehow expend all of the belted ammunition of the fireteam, you can take a magazine.

If there are any left.
It's of limited enough utility to do without it, as the trend is for lighter machine guns and that was one of the first components stripped from the M249 when they went for that.

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COMRADE, I OF INTRODUCE YOU TO ESTOVAKIAN RIFLE OF ASSAULTING. IS CHAMBERED IN 5.45X39MM, BUT CHAMBERINGS IN 7.62X39MM IS ALSO AVAILABLE IF WISH FOR MORE KILLING THAN PENETRATIONING IS OF REASONABLE, I UNDERSTAND.

IS TO BE DROPPED BY IL-76 IN MILLIONS TO AFRICAN NATIONS FOR ATTACKING OF ANTO PUSSIES IN SUPPORT OF GLORIOUS KC CAUSE.

ANTO TO CONDEM ESTOVAKIA FOR PROVIDING WEAPONS TO THIRD WORLD DICTATORSHIPS? ESTOVAKIA LAUGHS IN FACE OF ANTO AND SAYS TO COME AT GLORIOUS ESTOVAKIA.

I AM OF GREAT APPROVINGS, COMRADE

HOW IS OF RIFLE REMOVINGS PREVIOUS CARTRIDGES AND OF LOADING NEWER ONES

It just seems like a valid thing to point out to anyone who may be new to the thread or whatever. You can be given good equipment, like that guy has, but still have shit training that gets you killed.

His equipment looked like a hodgepodge, and the typical loadout of a US-backed Stan, but point taken.

Iraq happens to not be a -stan.

You're implying there's a point to replacing the state armoury of PKs and AK rifles.

http://rob-cavanna.deviantart.com/art/Siegmunde-Arsenal-Uber-Collab-175895957

Looks like someone scaled down a parts sheet for Iron Brigade.

[Purpelia]

I have a stupid question if anyone don't mind answering.

Should all soldiers wear chastity belt?

The idea behind it is basically to prevent rape and enforce discipline.

Just do what sane armies do and organize a military brothel for your troops so that they can unwind and NOT have to take out their pent up sexual frustrations on enemy civilians. My army does it at pretty much every level that has some sort of field hospital. So basically from the battalion up. And you should the kind of arrangements that are available at the division level for generals...

[Crookfur]

I have a stupid question if anyone don't mind answering.

Should all soldiers wear chastity belt?

The idea behind it is basically to prevent rape and enforce discipline.

so many hygiene and chaffing issues.

plus who controls the belts? A section Dom?

IIRC pharmaceutical solutions to reducing sex drive have been fairly widely used during the 20th century but as others have said having a properly disciplined armed forces with no tolerance for rape and pillage will work a heck of a lot better as will not getting into really nasty wars or at least not totoally dehumanising the opposition.

also issue special socks that can be used for quiet and discrete relief even in barracks situations IIRC the book chickenhawk has a bit on the imporantce of being discrete when sharing a tent with 20 other guys.

[Tule]

Time for the VYG 0.001-20-100 thermonuclear hand grenade, methinks.




The SIG SG 550 has, so far as I'm aware, no equal in terms of reliability and accuracy amongst general issue service rifles.

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We have thermonuclear hand grenades too.

we even can explain the principle behind it.

Consider an electron buzzing around an atomic nucleus. If it is as close as it can get to the nucleus (i.e., it is in the lowest unoccupied energy band structure) it is in its base energy state. This means it is "at rest", or at least as close as an electron gets to being at rest.

Anyway, if the electron absorbs some energy, from a photon or something, it can no longer occupy the base energy state. It has to rise to a higher energy state. In scientific terms, the electron has become "excited." This is not a stable situation, eventually the electron spits out the extra energy (generally in the form of a photon) and falls back into its base energy state.

Nuclear physicists immediately wondered if the protons and neutrons in the atomic nucleus could also become excited. As it turns out, indeed they could. When a nucleon becomes excited, the nucleus becomes a nuclear isomer.

Most nuclear isomers decay back into the base state in a fraction of a second. However, one or two can stay excited for years. Tantalum's isomer Ta-180m has a half-life of 1015 years, which is much longer than the age of the universe. But then there is Hafnium's isomer hafnium-178m2, which has a half-life of 31 years.

By now you are thinking "So what?"

Well consider this. Excited electrons contain the energy of chemical reactions. For example: a stick of dynamite. Excited nucleons contain the energy of nuclear reactions. For example: a nuclear weapon. Not so boring now, are they?

So converting ordinary hafnium into hafnium-178m2 would be the equivalent of revving up a rechargeable battery with nuclear energy.

One gram of pure hafnium-178m2 (the same mass as a paperclip) contains about 1330 megajoules of energy. This is the equivalent of 317 kilograms of TNT, about the same as the warhead on a Tomahawk cruise missile (TLAM-C). Now you know why people started to talk about a "nuclear hand grenade." (as Alan Bellows puts it: "the most appealing aspect of isomer triggering was its potential to shoehorn yet more death and destruction into convenient 'fun size' packages")

There was also speculation about using hafnium-178m2 as a power source. A suggested application was a nuclear isomer powered airplane. The popular term was "quantum nucleonic reactor".

What was even better is the fact that the energy emerges not as visible light photons, not as ultraviolet photons, not even as x-ray photons. This stuff spits out freaking gamma rays! In other words, it just might be the key to constructing a gamma-ray laser.

The US military was also interested in the fact that hafnium-178m2 could be used to circumvent the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Tremendous energy release, intense gamma rays, but it ain't a nuke.

Even if it were possible to make a hafnium hand grenade (only one experiment has supposedly been successful, but it has never been replicated) you still have one pretty big problem, which you happen to mention:

It emits its energy in the form of gamma rays.

In most nuclear weapons, apart from low yield tactical nukes, the amount of gamma radiation generated is so massive that most of it ends up heating up the atmosphere around the bomb, generating a shock wave and a heat flash that kills people at a far greater distance than the gamma ray burst itself.

At yields below 3 kilotons, this reverses. The gamma radiation becomes the biggest killer at those yields and the lower below 3 kilotons they get the more significant the gamma ray burst becomes as a source of casualties.

I ran the 317 Kg figure through the NUKEMAP calculator and it came up with this:

At a distance of 10 meters It generates about 20 PSI of overpressure. Fatalities from overpressure alone start to occur at around 40 PSI, so the explosive force of the hand grenade will be comparable to a normal fragmentation grenade.

The difference between your hafnium grenade and your average pineapple however, is that it will give everyone in a 200 meter radius a fatal 1000 Rad dose of gamma radiation.

It might make a good PMT land mine, but hand grenades are out of the question unless you don't mind destroying the bone marrow of those soldiers of yours who use it.

[Sediczja]

So, moving this thread back to a logical topic...

What's the standard launcher in your nation (at the squad/platoon level)?

66mm disposable rocket launcher, issued on an "as many as can be carried" per squad basis.

[Kouralia]

What's the standard launcher in your nation (at the squad/platoon level)?

The Kouralian Section carries two 'Modern Anti-Tank Devices' to engage enemy armour, and four Light Anti-Structure Rockets to engage enemy positions and light armour. Each platoon has 6 and 12 of these respectively.

[New Visegrad]

What's the standard launcher in your nation (at the squad/platoon level)?

If a launcher is carried at all, it will be a VMACS LWU or an armour-mounted swarm pod. Energy weapons are more commonly used in AT roles.

[Aethal]

So, moving this thread back to a logical topic...

What's the standard launcher in your nation (at the squad/platoon level)?

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66mm disposable rocket launcher, issued on an "as many as can be carried" per squad basis.

Any chance you'll make a Recoilless Rifle at some point?

[Purpelia]

So, moving this thread back to a logical topic...

What's the standard launcher in your nation (at the squad/platoon level)?.

The standard Purpelian launcher is a not yet fully defined (it's on my to do list) RPG-7 derivative that has absolutely nothing to do with the real RPG-7 and yet looks and behaves so similar you'd think it was made in China. Out of character the design is loosely based off the Chinese Type 69. The main difference from the original is in its sights which are "borrowed" from the German Panzerfaust 3 and include a computerized sight / fire control unit with built-in laser rangefinder and ballistic computer.

[Black Hand]

I have a stupid question if anyone don't mind answering.

Should all soldiers wear chastity belt?

The idea behind it is basically to prevent rape and enforce discipline.

Bad Idea, either enforce discipline through normal means, go the purpelian way and let the men spend the weekend attached to an armored regiment, or allow both genders to serve and the sex trade be legal. (sexual crimes of any nature in the Black Hand carry the punishment of death)

[Aethal]

I have a stupid question if anyone don't mind answering.

Should all soldiers wear chastity belt?

The idea behind it is basically to prevent rape and enforce discipline.

Bad Idea, either enforce discipline through normal means, go the purpelian way and let the men spend the weekend attached to an armored regiment, or allow both genders to serve and the sex trade be legal. (sexual crimes of any nature in the Black Hand carry the punishment of death)

As do Class 2 Thought Crimes, correct?

[Bratislavskaya]

I have a stupid question if anyone don't mind answering.

Should all soldiers wear chastity belt?

The idea behind it is basically to prevent rape and enforce discipline.

so many hygiene and chaffing issues.

plus who controls the belts? A section Dom?

IIRC pharmaceutical solutions to reducing sex drive have been fairly widely used during the 20th century but as others have said having a properly disciplined armed forces with no tolerance for rape and pillage will work a heck of a lot better as will not getting into really nasty wars or at least not totoally dehumanising the opposition.

also issue special socks that can be used for quiet and discrete relief even in barracks situations IIRC the book chickenhawk has a bit on the imporantce of being discrete when sharing a tent with 20 other guys.

I read somewhere that during WW2 that they put a chemical that reduced sex drive in British army. I guess it worked well on tea drinkers (every British person at the time).

[San-Silvacian]

f you really, really, really want them to no bugger each other off, issue saltpeter tablets.

iirc they inhibit erections.

[Fordorsia]

Just had to explain to a good friend why the "AK-47" isn't what her and her family thought it was. She was impressed.

Thank you, Regulars.

...
Now why does a Liverpudlian family know about the AK-47 and are interested in its history?

American. Tennessean, to be specific. She mention someone in her family has one and I couldn't help but correct her.

[New Visegrad]

so many hygiene and chaffing issues.

plus who controls the belts? A section Dom?

IIRC pharmaceutical solutions to reducing sex drive have been fairly widely used during the 20th century but as others have said having a properly disciplined armed forces with no tolerance for rape and pillage will work a heck of a lot better as will not getting into really nasty wars or at least not totoally dehumanising the opposition.

also issue special socks that can be used for quiet and discrete relief even in barracks situations IIRC the book chickenhawk has a bit on the imporantce of being discrete when sharing a tent with 20 other guys.

I read somewhere that during WW2 that they put a chemical that reduced sex drive in British army. I guess it worked well on tea drinkers (every British person at the time).

I recall Spike Milligan writing about this in one of his books. Apparently it didn't make much difference.

[Black Hand]

Bad Idea, either enforce discipline through normal means, go the purpelian way and let the men spend the weekend attached to an armored regiment, or allow both genders to serve and the sex trade be legal. (sexual crimes of any nature in the Black Hand carry the punishment of death)

As do Class 2 Thought Crimes, correct?

No,free thought is actually encouraged and promoted. only violent crimes, negligent endangerment, Sexual violence, and treason carry the death sentance typically though it is availabile to the Judicial system to be applied to all class 2 crimes (those listed are class 1)

does anyone know how to improve the reliability of the Ross rifle? I know it had some issues with failure to feed and such.

American. Tennessean, to be specific. She mention someone in her family has one and I couldn't help but correct her.

Good for you ford, impressing a woman using firearms, you lucky bastard you.

[San-Silvacian]

I AM OF GREAT APPROVINGS, COMRADE

HOW IS OF RIFLE REMOVINGS PREVIOUS CARTRIDGES AND OF LOADING NEWER ONES

IS OF GOOD QUESTION.

SYSTEMA OF SERGEEVICH DESIGN IS LIKE COMRADE SUDAYEV'S SUBMACHINE GUN, PPS AS USES A BLOWBACK SYSTEM AND FIRES FROM BOLT OPEN POSITION. ALSO IS MADE FROM STAMPED STEEL AND WOOD, OR IF IS HIGH-ROLLER MAN, THEN USE OF POLYMER FURNITURE IS ALSO AVAILABLE. MEANING CHILD WORKER CAN MAKE IT WITH HANDS, THEN PROCEED TO GO FIGHT AGAINST ANTO OPPRESSORS WITH IT.

AS OF SAYING, USES 5.45X39 OR 7.62X39 CALIBER CARTRIDGES. CAN USE ALL PUZAK/RUSSIAN AND EASTERN BLOCK DESIGNED MAGAZINES WITHOUT WORRY TO ALLOW FOR GREAT USAGE OF ENEMY MAGAZINE IF NEED BE.

COMRADE, RIFLE SYSTEMA IS ONLY A FEW DOZEN EMMERIAN DOLLARS, SO BUY NOW TO OVERTHROW OPPRESSORS OR TO BECOME ONE. COMES WITH BLOODIED RAG, BOOT LACE AND MOTOR OIL FOR CLEANING AND SURPLUS CHINESE PRODUCED MAGAZINES FILLED WITH COSMOLINE AND MANY CARTRIDGES.

[Fordorsia]

American. Tennessean, to be specific. She mention someone in her family has one and I couldn't help but correct her.

Good for you ford, impressing a woman using firearms, you lucky bastard you.

It ain't luck. It's swag.

But now she wants me to visit and walk across the state with her. Fucking yay.