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Who will OP the next iteration of the IDT?

Aqizithiuda
36
27%
Benomia
34
25%
Dread Lady Nathicana
6
4%
Kyrusia
3
2%
Purpelia
11
8%
Samoz (Imperializt Russia)
8
6%
Spreewerke
14
10%
Transnapastain
9
7%
Ulfr-Reich / Aethal
3
2%
United states of brazilian nations
10
7%
 
Total votes : 134

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Postby Spreewerke » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:00 pm

Bezombia wrote:Can someone explain to me exactly what an Air Marshal does?
Wiki just gives me information about its seniority which doesn't tell me anything.


Basically plainclothes, armed security on a plane. Terrorist starts boxcuttering? Shoot his ass. Passenger starts being a dickhole penisweiner? Arrest his ass. Stewardess walks by? Smack dat ass. People obviously see you? Lose your job as a federal employee and suffer a failing marriage while your children don't speak with you at home and, due to your newly-developed drinking problem, you also lose all custody rights of your children. Your life culminates with your self-immolation inside your one-bedroom trailer home.


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Postby Transnapastain » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:01 pm

Bezombia wrote:Can someone explain to me exactly what an Air Marshal does?
Wiki just gives me information about its seniority which doesn't tell me anything.


http://www.tsa.gov/about-tsa/federal-air-marshals

Its still full of LEO jargon, of course.
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Postby Bezombia » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:02 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
Bezombia wrote:Can someone explain to me exactly what an Air Marshal does?
Wiki just gives me information about its seniority which doesn't tell me anything.

Air marshals stop hijackers from taking over planes and doing really bad things with them.


Aah.

Well in that case it would be an APR-86C compact pistol converted to be semi-automatic only, and also converted to fire .45 Nko subsonic ammunition (as opposed to the native and obsolete 10x25 Benomian).
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Postby Oaledonia » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:02 pm

Transnapastain wrote:
Bezombia wrote:Can someone explain to me exactly what an Air Marshal does?
Wiki just gives me information about its seniority which doesn't tell me anything.


http://www.tsa.gov/about-tsa/federal-air-marshals

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Postby Bezombia » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:03 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Bezombia wrote:Can someone explain to me exactly what an Air Marshal does?
Wiki just gives me information about its seniority which doesn't tell me anything.


Basically plainclothes, armed security on a plane. Terrorist starts boxcuttering? Shoot his ass. Passenger starts being a dickhole penisweiner? Arrest his ass. Stewardess walks by? Smack dat ass. People obviously see you? Lose your job as a federal employee and suffer a failing marriage while your children don't speak with you at home and, due to your newly-developed drinking problem, you also lose all custody rights of your children. Your life culminates with your self-immolation inside your one-bedroom trailer home.


And we issue them firearms to make their self-immolation that much easier?

So, based on this, I'm assuming an M2 Flamethrower would not be that outlandish to issue to these marshals.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:04 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:
Basically plainclothes, armed security on a plane. Terrorist starts boxcuttering? Shoot his ass. Passenger starts being a dickhole penisweiner? Arrest his ass. Stewardess walks by? Smack dat ass. People obviously see you? Lose your job as a federal employee and suffer a failing marriage while your children don't speak with you at home and, due to your newly-developed drinking problem, you also lose all custody rights of your children. Your life culminates with your self-immolation inside your one-bedroom trailer home.


And we issue them firearms to make their self-immolation that much easier?

So, based on this, I'm assuming an M2 Flamethrower would not be that outlandish to issue to these marshals.

The joke.

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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:04 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Bezombia wrote:Can someone explain to me exactly what an Air Marshal does?
Wiki just gives me information about its seniority which doesn't tell me anything.


Basically plainclothes, armed security on a plane. Terrorist starts boxcuttering? Shoot his ass. Passenger starts being a dickhole penisweiner? Arrest his ass. Stewardess walks by? Smack dat ass. People obviously see you? Lose your job as a federal employee and suffer a failing marriage while your children don't speak with you at home and, due to your newly-developed drinking problem, you also lose all custody rights of your children. Your life culminates with your self-immolation inside your one-bedroom trailer home.

I feel like this is Tuesdays in some of the regular nations here. :|
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Postby Doppio Giudici » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:10 pm

Does anyone know where the PMT people hang on here? I need some information about something I write privately, like sabot rounds in firearms.
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Postby Vareiln » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:12 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Vareiln wrote:And if he doesn't want to, he can just use a rimless version of it, just like I did with my old nation.
Or go the Finnish route. :p



7.92x57mm IS is rimless. It also goes by 8mm Mauser.

Oh my god, I confused it with 7.62mmR.
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Postby Vareiln » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:17 pm

Fordorsia wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:

Because dozens of pellets flying at face-level in a commercial airliner is the absolute best of ideas, especially when Air Marshals are plainclothes.


Harpoon gun for maximum deterrence.

Aim. Fire. Detonate. Inject air if necessary. Reel in. Flense. Repeat.

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Postby Romic » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:22 pm

Transnapastain wrote:
Bezombia wrote:Can someone explain to me exactly what an Air Marshal does?
Wiki just gives me information about its seniority which doesn't tell me anything.


http://www.tsa.gov/about-tsa/federal-air-marshals

Its still full of LEO jargon, of course.

Do they get frequent flyer miles?
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Postby Vareiln » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:27 pm

Romic wrote:
Transnapastain wrote:
http://www.tsa.gov/about-tsa/federal-air-marshals

Its still full of LEO jargon, of course.

Do they get frequent flyer miles?

According to the only tenuous connection I have to an air marshal, no.
I'd take that with a heavy grain of salt though.

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Postby Romic » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:29 pm

It was more of a smart wise crack. That kinda sucks though. Wonder how much they get paid.
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:12 pm

Doppio Giudici wrote:Does anyone know where the PMT people hang on here? I need some information about something I write privately, like sabot rounds in firearms.


Sabots are far from PMT. What do you want to know specifically?
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Postby Arkandros » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:42 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Arkandros wrote:A 12 gauge riot shotgun (either a Ithaca 37 or Armsel Striker), loaded with rubber buckshot and rubber baton rounds. hurts like hell, but still nonlethal to minimize civilian injuries. Effective both for target suppression and terrorizing. Wanna kill someone? Give your officers a bolt gun.



Because dozens of pellets flying at face-level in a commercial airliner is the absolute best of ideas, especially when Air Marshals are plainclothes.

Let me tell you a story. A while back, I went to Poland. This was near the end of the cold war, so everyone was still a little on edge. Anyway, I was taking a plane from Warsaw to Krakow, and as we boarded on the tarmac, there was a military officer in front of the plane with a machine gun. I don't mean assault rifle; I mean a big ol' PKM. During the entire flight, he just stood at the front, holding that gun. He just watched the passengers, to make sure no one tried to hijack the plane. His presence, and the passenger's awareness of his presence, was as effective, if not more so, than that of any air marshal's actions. Hands down the safest I have ever felt on a plane, regardless of country. Moral of the story: Seeing a security officer can be much more effective than the guard himself. you'd think twice before charging a giant holding a machine gun when you are wielding a boxcutter. Plainclothes officer? Not so much.
Secondly, rubber rounds are designed to be nonlethal. can they cause injury? You bet. Can they kill? Very rarely. According the following study, targets directly fired at had a 1 in 90 chance of lethal wounds. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bjs.1800620613/abstract keep in mind that those statistics are for targets directly in the line of fire with the weapon aimed at the chest, resulting in the high rate of neck and face wounds- modern training directs users to aim for the gut to avoid vital organs.
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Postby Bezombia » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:44 pm

Arkandros wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:

Because dozens of pellets flying at face-level in a commercial airliner is the absolute best of ideas, especially when Air Marshals are plainclothes.

Let me tell you a story. A while back, I went to Poland. This was near the end of the cold war, so everyone was still a little on edge. Anyway, I was taking a plane from Warsaw to Krakow, and as we boarded on the tarmac, there was a military officer in front of the plane with a machine gun. I don't mean assault rifle; I mean a big ol' PKM. During the entire flight, he just stood at the front, holding that gun. He just watched the passengers, to make sure no one tried to hijack the plane. His presence, and the passenger's awareness of his presence, was as effective, if not more so, than that of any air marshal's actions. Hands down the safest I have ever felt on a plane, regardless of country. Moral of the story: Seeing a security officer can be much more effective than the guard himself. you'd think twice before charging a giant holding a machine gun when you are wielding a boxcutter. Plainclothes officer? Not so much.
Secondly, rubber rounds are designed to be nonlethal. can they cause injury? You bet. Can they kill? Very rarely. According the following study, targets directly fired at had a 1 in 90 chance of lethal wounds. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bjs.1800620613/abstract keep in mind that those statistics are for targets directly in the line of fire with the weapon aimed at the chest, resulting in the high rate of neck and face wounds- modern training directs users to aim for the gut to avoid vital organs.


The fact that you aren't consciously trying to minimize unnecessary civilian casualties in any way reasonably possible tells me that you may need to rethink the purpose of your law enforcement.

A PKM will shoot what you aim it at. A shotgun fires more than one projectile in a spread.
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Postby Arkandros » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:46 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Arkandros wrote:Let me tell you a story. A while back, I went to Poland. This was near the end of the cold war, so everyone was still a little on edge. Anyway, I was taking a plane from Warsaw to Krakow, and as we boarded on the tarmac, there was a military officer in front of the plane with a machine gun. I don't mean assault rifle; I mean a big ol' PKM. During the entire flight, he just stood at the front, holding that gun. He just watched the passengers, to make sure no one tried to hijack the plane. His presence, and the passenger's awareness of his presence, was as effective, if not more so, than that of any air marshal's actions. Hands down the safest I have ever felt on a plane, regardless of country. Moral of the story: Seeing a security officer can be much more effective than the guard himself. you'd think twice before charging a giant holding a machine gun when you are wielding a boxcutter. Plainclothes officer? Not so much.
Secondly, rubber rounds are designed to be nonlethal. can they cause injury? You bet. Can they kill? Very rarely. According the following study, targets directly fired at had a 1 in 90 chance of lethal wounds. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bjs.1800620613/abstract keep in mind that those statistics are for targets directly in the line of fire with the weapon aimed at the chest, resulting in the high rate of neck and face wounds- modern training directs users to aim for the gut to avoid vital organs.


The fact that you aren't contumaciously trying to minimize unnecessary civilian casualties in any way reasonably possible tells me that you may need to rethink the purpose of your law enforcement.

A PKM will shoot what you aim it at. A shotgun fires more than one projectile in a spread.

Hence rubber baton rounds and beanbag rounds. I believe I specified this originally, forgive me if I did not.
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Postby Spreewerke » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:56 pm

Arkandros wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:

Because dozens of pellets flying at face-level in a commercial airliner is the absolute best of ideas, especially when Air Marshals are plainclothes.

Let me tell you a story. A while back, I went to Poland. This was near the end of the cold war, so everyone was still a little on edge. Anyway, I was taking a plane from Warsaw to Krakow, and as we boarded on the tarmac, there was a military officer in front of the plane with a machine gun. I don't mean assault rifle; I mean a big ol' PKM. During the entire flight, he just stood at the front, holding that gun. He just watched the passengers, to make sure no one tried to hijack the plane. His presence, and the passenger's awareness of his presence, was as effective, if not more so, than that of any air marshal's actions. Hands down the safest I have ever felt on a plane, regardless of country. Moral of the story: Seeing a security officer can be much more effective than the guard himself. you'd think twice before charging a giant holding a machine gun when you are wielding a boxcutter. Plainclothes officer? Not so much.
Secondly, rubber rounds are designed to be nonlethal. can they cause injury? You bet. Can they kill? Very rarely. According the following study, targets directly fired at had a 1 in 90 chance of lethal wounds. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bjs.1800620613/abstract keep in mind that those statistics are for targets directly in the line of fire with the weapon aimed at the chest, resulting in the high rate of neck and face wounds- modern training directs users to aim for the gut to avoid vital organs.



A PKM on a commercial airliner is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard of. Sure, you'll hit the guy with a boxcutter, but your 7.62x54mmR also just cut through rows A through E.

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Postby Arkandros » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:59 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Arkandros wrote:Let me tell you a story. A while back, I went to Poland. This was near the end of the cold war, so everyone was still a little on edge. Anyway, I was taking a plane from Warsaw to Krakow, and as we boarded on the tarmac, there was a military officer in front of the plane with a machine gun. I don't mean assault rifle; I mean a big ol' PKM. During the entire flight, he just stood at the front, holding that gun. He just watched the passengers, to make sure no one tried to hijack the plane. His presence, and the passenger's awareness of his presence, was as effective, if not more so, than that of any air marshal's actions. Hands down the safest I have ever felt on a plane, regardless of country. Moral of the story: Seeing a security officer can be much more effective than the guard himself. you'd think twice before charging a giant holding a machine gun when you are wielding a boxcutter. Plainclothes officer? Not so much.
Secondly, rubber rounds are designed to be nonlethal. can they cause injury? You bet. Can they kill? Very rarely. According the following study, targets directly fired at had a 1 in 90 chance of lethal wounds. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bjs.1800620613/abstract keep in mind that those statistics are for targets directly in the line of fire with the weapon aimed at the chest, resulting in the high rate of neck and face wounds- modern training directs users to aim for the gut to avoid vital organs.



A PKM on a commercial airliner is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard of. Sure, you'll hit the guy with a boxcutter, but your 7.62x54mmR also just cut through rows A through E.


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Postby Bezombia » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:59 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Arkandros wrote:Let me tell you a story. A while back, I went to Poland. This was near the end of the cold war, so everyone was still a little on edge. Anyway, I was taking a plane from Warsaw to Krakow, and as we boarded on the tarmac, there was a military officer in front of the plane with a machine gun. I don't mean assault rifle; I mean a big ol' PKM. During the entire flight, he just stood at the front, holding that gun. He just watched the passengers, to make sure no one tried to hijack the plane. His presence, and the passenger's awareness of his presence, was as effective, if not more so, than that of any air marshal's actions. Hands down the safest I have ever felt on a plane, regardless of country. Moral of the story: Seeing a security officer can be much more effective than the guard himself. you'd think twice before charging a giant holding a machine gun when you are wielding a boxcutter. Plainclothes officer? Not so much.
Secondly, rubber rounds are designed to be nonlethal. can they cause injury? You bet. Can they kill? Very rarely. According the following study, targets directly fired at had a 1 in 90 chance of lethal wounds. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bjs.1800620613/abstract keep in mind that those statistics are for targets directly in the line of fire with the weapon aimed at the chest, resulting in the high rate of neck and face wounds- modern training directs users to aim for the gut to avoid vital organs.



A PKM on a commercial airliner is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard of. Sure, you'll hit the guy with a boxcutter, but your 7.62x54mmR also just cut through rows A through E.


Not to mention how incredibly bulky and completely useless it would be to have a belt fed machine gun on a plane.
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Postby Black Hand » Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:01 pm

wouldn't a .330 Blackout hollowpoint be ideal for this sort of sisutation? I see no reason why a PKM is nessecary.


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Doppio Giudici wrote:Does anyone know where the PMT people hang on here? I need some information about something I write privately, like sabot rounds in firearms.

I am PMT feel free to message me. not sure what you want to know about sabots and how that relates to PMT
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Postby Spreewerke » Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:02 pm

Arkandros wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:

A PKM on a commercial airliner is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard of. Sure, you'll hit the guy with a boxcutter, but your 7.62x54mmR also just cut through rows A through E.


WELCOME TO COLD WAR POLAND! Where you'll get shot on the street for crimes! And sometimes you'll be shot even if you didn't do anything! Different times, pal.



I don't think the Cold War necessitates strategical retardation. I have had relatives fly internationally in Soviet countries during the Cold War, and I recall absolutely no stories involving armed guards on the airliner itself. This was in Hungary, however. Regardless, whether it happened or not, a PKM in a confined, civilian-filled, pressurized, airborne tube is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard of in my life. If I wanted to inflict civilian casualties on that flight, I'd conduct standard insurgent procedure. Either way I'm dying: if I succeed, I down the plane. If I fail, the government just killed a few dozen of its own civilians.

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Postby Bezombia » Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:02 pm

Black Hand wrote:wouldn't a .330 Blackout hollowpoint be ideal for this sort of sisutation? I see no reason why a PKM is nessecary.


Even that much seems like overkill to me. Just give em a .45 and tell them to aim wisely.
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Postby Spreewerke » Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:05 pm

Bezombia wrote:
Black Hand wrote:wouldn't a .330 Blackout hollowpoint be ideal for this sort of sisutation? I see no reason why a PKM is nessecary.


Even that much seems like overkill to me. Just give em a .45 and tell them to aim wisely.



Or, you know, a Taser. Maybe a .40 S&W with Glasers.

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