NS infantry discussion thread. Mark II

[Imperializt Russia]

alright guys, so i'm thinking this for my basic squad (there will be variations, such as heavy, anti-tank, door-breaching etc.):

Divisão (Squad):

Sub-divisão(Fireteam) A:

- Líder de Divisão (Squad leader): FA03A4 rifle
- Fuzileiro (Rifleman): FA03A4 rifle
- Granadeiro (Grenadier): FA03A4 rifle w/ 40mm UGL
- Metralhador (Machinegunner): LMG (which i haven't decided yet)
- Fuzileiro-assistente (assistant-rifleman): FA03A4 rifle, extra ammunition for LMG

Sub-Divisão(Fireteam) B:

- Líder de Sub-Divisão (fireteam leader, 2nd in command): FA03A4 rifle
- Atirador De Elite (Sharpshooter): IMBEL PARA-FAL battle rifle with 4x scope
- Granadeiro (Grenadier): FA03A4 rifle w/ 40mm UGL
- Metralhador (Machinegunner): LMG (which i haven't decided yet)
- Fuzileiro-assistente (assistant-rifleman): FA03A4 rifle, extra ammunition for LMG

thoughts?

Not bad setup at all.

The "variations" can likely be dealt with by fiddling with the gear of the grenadier. Door breaching can just be dealt with by issuing him with three or so 40mm breaching grenades.
If door-breaching rifle grenades exist, there exist 40mm UGL door-breaching grenades.

Have a Type-67, for page.

[Fordorsia]

Congratulations? Would you like an award?

I'm just trying to make conversation. No need to be hostile.

This isn't the right thread for that sort of conversation.

[Gvozdevsk]

I'm just trying to make conversation. No need to be hostile.

This isn't the right thread for that sort of conversation.

But they were talking about using tractors in a troop transport capacity and it reminded me of that. I'll just shut up before it gets out of hand.

[Oaledonia]

The US puts an M240 on theirs.

Interesting.

Maybe they're in need of a recoilless rifle or somesuch.

If you need on on a military engineering tractor, you've already lost.

[Immoren]

Interesting.

Maybe they're in need of a recoilless rifle or somesuch.

If you need on on a military engineering tractor, you've already lost.

Of course all military engineering tractors require demolition gun.

[Blackledge]

Interesting.

Maybe they're in need of a recoilless rifle or somesuch.

If you need on on a military engineering tractor, you've already lost.

You think he'll want a bigger cannon then? With an autoloader?

[United states of brazilian nations]

alright guys, so i'm thinking this for my basic squad (there will be variations, such as heavy, anti-tank, door-breaching etc.):

Divisão (Squad):

Sub-divisão(Fireteam) A:

- Líder de Divisão (Squad leader): FA03A4 rifle
- Fuzileiro (Rifleman): FA03A4 rifle
- Granadeiro (Grenadier): FA03A4 rifle w/ 40mm UGL
- Metralhador (Machinegunner): LMG (which i haven't decided yet)
- Fuzileiro-assistente (assistant-rifleman): FA03A4 rifle, extra ammunition for LMG

Sub-Divisão(Fireteam) B:

- Líder de Sub-Divisão (fireteam leader, 2nd in command): FA03A4 rifle
- Atirador De Elite (Sharpshooter): IMBEL PARA-FAL battle rifle with 4x scope
- Granadeiro (Grenadier): FA03A4 rifle w/ 40mm UGL
- Metralhador (Machinegunner): LMG (which i haven't decided yet)
- Fuzileiro-assistente (assistant-rifleman): FA03A4 rifle, extra ammunition for LMG

thoughts?

Not bad setup at all.

The "variations" can likely be dealt with by fiddling with the gear of the grenadier. Door breaching can just be dealt with by issuing him with three or so 40mm breaching grenades.
If door-breaching rifle grenades exist, there exist 40mm UGL door-breaching grenades.

hmm. i was thinking, in one of the variations for urban combat, to give the riflemen, or at least one of them, an underbarrel shotgun.


also, for a few special teams, i am strongly considering giving everybody except machinegunners and marksmen what i call UUBA (Universal Underbarrel Attachment), firing 30mm rimmed shotgun-like or grenade-like shells, thus allowing the guys to carry more ammo than a conventional 40mm. there would be lots of different ammo types for different situations.

30mm ammunition types for UUBA-30 (WIP)
pliz click image to zoom in.

what my rifle (specifically the tactical carbine version, for maximum hi-speed low-drag CQ madness) would look like with an UUBA-30 (note: WIP, both the rifle and launcher. i need to fix a whole lot of stuff, specially with the rifle):

[Doppio Giudici]

Well so many in NS do seem to think it's all about winning.
I like your ideas though. And Russian tech is supposed to be pretty good as long as it isn't export-models. You'll be going by the indigenous standards, I take it.

For the most part I'm using the indigenous variants, since Soviet monkey-models are notorious for their drop-off in quality (i.e., T-72B vs. Asad Babil). But for the most part, I still try to handicap myself by limiting the more modern equipment to my front-line and high-readiness units. So while a rapid-response unit for deployment abroad might have T-90As and AK-103s, units kept for national defense would have T-64BVs and AK-74s, and the reserves would be lucky to get T-62s and Type 81s (Chinese AKMs).

Personally, I feel that having a larger but less-well-equipped force makes for better writing, which is what I really hope to get out of my RPs.

The training excersizes surely would be interesting, but I've never been in one so how should I know.

[Ulfr-Reich]

Not bad setup at all.

The "variations" can likely be dealt with by fiddling with the gear of the grenadier. Door breaching can just be dealt with by issuing him with three or so 40mm breaching grenades.
If door-breaching rifle grenades exist, there exist 40mm UGL door-breaching grenades.

hmm. i was thinking, in one of the variations for urban combat, to give the riflemen, or at least one of them, an underbarrel shotgun.


also, for a few special teams, i am strongly considering giving everybody except machinegunners and marksmen what i call UUBA (Universal Underbarrel Attachment), firing 30mm rimmed shotgun-like or grenade-like shells, thus allowing the guys to carry more ammo than a conventional 40mm. there would be lots of different ammo types for different situations.

30mm ammunition types for UUBA-30 (WIP)
pliz click image to zoom in.

what my rifle (specifically the tactical carbine version, for maximum hi-speed low-drag CQ madness) would look like with an UUBA-30 (note: WIP, both the rifle and launcher. i need to fix a whole lot of stuff, specially with the rifle):

I would love to see you make a duplex and triplex firing heavy machinegun or a SALVO rifle utilizing duplex/triplex cartridge technology at some point.

[United states of brazilian nations]

hmm. i was thinking, in one of the variations for urban combat, to give the riflemen, or at least one of them, an underbarrel shotgun.


also, for a few special teams, i am strongly considering giving everybody except machinegunners and marksmen what i call UUBA (Universal Underbarrel Attachment), firing 30mm rimmed shotgun-like or grenade-like shells, thus allowing the guys to carry more ammo than a conventional 40mm. there would be lots of different ammo types for different situations.

30mm ammunition types for UUBA-30 (WIP)
pliz click image to zoom in.

what my rifle (specifically the tactical carbine version, for maximum hi-speed low-drag CQ madness) would look like with an UUBA-30 (note: WIP, both the rifle and launcher. i need to fix a whole lot of stuff, specially with the rifle):

I would love to see you make a duplex and triplex firing heavy machinegun or a SALVO rifle utilizing duplex/triplex cartridge technology at some point.

will consider it for prototype use but never adoption. a neat idea indeed.

[Ulfr-Reich]

I would love to see you make a duplex and triplex firing heavy machinegun or a SALVO rifle utilizing duplex/triplex cartridge technology at some point.

will consider it for prototype use but never adoption. a neat idea indeed.

Why not have a bullpup triplex firing submachinegun or sommat-like for paratroopers or what-have-you, enormous amounts of lead going one way in a rather silly manner.

[Lyras]

Or... just use one of these:

LY21 AHLAR with attached LY67 'Widowmaker'

[Ulfr-Reich]

Or... just use one of these:
(Image)
LY21 AHLAR with attached LY67 'Widowmaker'

The EF88 is strong with this one.

How've you been Lyras?

[Lyras]

In as much as a 60-round, 6.3x40mm, electronically fired, balanced-automatic caseless weapon is strong in the EF88, yes.
The ergonomics are similar, but I freely admit to experiential bias

And kicking along. Been a challenging year, and last month in particular... but I'm not going anywhere. The Protectorate endures, as it always has.

[Bezombia]

Or... just use one of these:
(Image)
LY21 AHLAR with attached LY67 'Widowmaker'

How would that even work?

[New Tsavon]

Or... just use one of these:
(Image)
LY21 AHLAR with attached LY67 'Widowmaker'

How would that even work?

How would what work, exactly?

[Lyras]

How would that even work?

How would what work, exactly?

Details are in the links, complete with diagrams and pictures for those who cba to read my notes.

[Ulfr-Reich]

In as much as a 60-round, 6.3x40mm, electronically fired, balanced-automatic caseless weapon is strong in the EF88, yes.
The ergonomics are similar, but I freely admit to experiential bias :P

And kicking along. Been a challenging year, and last month in particular... but I'm not going anywhere. The Protectorate endures, as it always has.

Either way, it is nice to see you haunting the forums again.

Hey though, I've been pestering people on here with this very same inquiry, feel free to count thineself pestered by it (or hopefully intrigued and thereby considering the prospects); any chance of seeing a duplex/triplex firing submachinegun or heavy machinegun come from your lauded arsenal?

[Bezombia]

I was under the impression (read: I've been explicitly told by people that know a lot more than me about these things) that a "conventional" firearm action wouldn't work with caseless firearms, which led to the strange and unconventional actions of, say, the G11, Hughes, etc.
I don't think a normal rotating bolt would work.

Also, I've been told that BARS wouldn't work with a short stroke piston.

[Lyras]

It's possible, certainly, though I'm not really all that sold on the triplex/duplex concepts. Seems a little wasteful to me, but that's just my take on the prima-facie point.

[Lyras]

I was under the impression (read: I've been explicitly told by people that know a lot more than me about these things) that a "conventional" firearm action wouldn't work with caseless firearms, which led to the strange and unconventional actions of, say, the G11, Hughes, etc.
I don't think a normal rotating bolt would work.

Also, I've been told that BARS wouldn't work with a short stroke piston.

It's not conventional action at all. It's electronically fired, and the rotating bolt is in order to feed the round into the chamber. The locking of the bolt is very secondary to that point.
Details are in the write up, if you're interested. Or I could dig it up and put it here, but its there for perusal in either case.

[Imperializt Russia]

I was under the impression (read: I've been explicitly told by people that know a lot more than me about these things) that a "conventional" firearm action wouldn't work with caseless firearms, which led to the strange and unconventional actions of, say, the G11, Hughes, etc.
I don't think a normal rotating bolt would work.

Also, I've been told that BARS wouldn't work with a short stroke piston.

As I understand, the HLAR is heavily inspired by the G11 LMG.

[San-Silvacian]

Or... just use one of these:
(Image)
LY21 AHLAR with attached LY67 'Widowmaker'

"hai im lyras i make really fucking good ns stuff that was made in 2010 and is still better than the latest ns stuff in 2013"

[Aqizithiuda]

Or... just use one of these:
(Image)
LY21 AHLAR with attached LY67 'Widowmaker'

Why did you use the older style of physical connections (VLE, 36 barrel prototype, early AICW) over the more recent induction ignition (3GL, Firestorm(?), MAUL (?))?

It's possible, certainly, though I'm not really all that sold on the triplex/duplex concepts. Seems a little wasteful to me, but that's just my take on the prima-facie point.

I can try and chase down the document I found on this subject, but essentially 7.62x51mm duplex ammunition offers more hits per target and more near misses (aka suppression) than simplex ammunition up to some point between 300 and 400 yards. After that it falls behind considerably.

I was under the impression (read: I've been explicitly told by people that know a lot more than me about these things) that a "conventional" firearm action wouldn't work with caseless firearms, which led to the strange and unconventional actions of, say, the G11, Hughes, etc.
I don't think a normal rotating bolt would work.

Also, I've been told that BARS wouldn't work with a short stroke piston.

It's not conventional action at all. It's electronically fired, and the rotating bolt is in order to feed the round into the chamber. The locking of the bolt is very secondary to that point.
Details are in the write up, if you're interested. Or I could dig it up and put it here, but its there for perusal in either case.

If I remember your explanation correct, in the case of a misfire, you pull the bolt to the rear, remove the magazine and try to shake the round out of the chamber. That seems like a weak point for the gun.

[Bezombia]

If I remember your explanation correct, in the case of a misfire, you pull the bolt to the rear, remove the magazine and try to shake the round out of the chamber.

that sounds farmiliar