NS infantry discussion thread. Mark II

[Kouralia]

Of course you are. The reason you're maneuvering in the 'tight walkways' is to fight an 'insurgency'. Unless you were planning on asking the terrorists to kindly wait until you'd unfolded the stock again?

How long would it take to unfold the stock?

More time than it would take to not have to unfold it.

...only claim to fame in this situation is length.

Ambidextrousness.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Now, if maneuverability in tight spaces is such a concern, then why not adopt either of the G36's carbine derivatives?

Perhaps it isn't quite ideal, but it's cheaper than completely reequipping your mainline combat forces.

[Bezombia]

Now, if maneuverability in tight spaces is such a concern, then why not adopt either of the G36's carbine derivatives?

Perhaps it isn't quite ideal, but it's cheaper than completely reequipping your mainline combat forces.

^This too

Or you could just retcon your nation's history and adopt the F2000 from the very start.

[Kouralia]

Now, if maneuverability in tight spaces is such a concern, then why not adopt either of the G36's carbine derivatives?

Perhaps it isn't quite ideal, but it's cheaper than completely reequipping your mainline combat forces.

^This too

Or you could just retcon your nation's history and adopt the F2000 from the very start.

Or he could replace the G36 with the FN2000.

[Sedikal]

Now, if maneuverability in tight spaces is such a concern, then why not adopt either of the G36's carbine derivatives?

Perhaps it isn't quite ideal, but it's cheaper than completely reequipping your mainline combat forces.

The fact that it retains it's medium range combat ability was also a big reason for choosing a bullpup rifle. Again this was a 4 year long transition from the G36 to the F2000.

Now, if maneuverability in tight spaces is such a concern, then why not adopt either of the G36's carbine derivatives?

Perhaps it isn't quite ideal, but it's cheaper than completely reequipping your mainline combat forces.

^This too

Or you could just retcon your nation's history and adopt the F2000 from the very start.

Yeah I've worked a good year and a half on my nations history not going to recon it.

[Bezombia]

Now, if maneuverability in tight spaces is such a concern, then why not adopt either of the G36's carbine derivatives?

Perhaps it isn't quite ideal, but it's cheaper than completely reequipping your mainline combat forces.

The fact that it retains it's medium range combat ability was also a big reason for choosing a bullpup rifle. Again this was a 4 year long transition from the G36 to the F2000.

The F2000 has a shorter barrel than the G36A2 (19" vs. 12"), and so logically would actually perform worse at ranges than the G36 would.

[Sedikal]

The fact that it retains it's medium range combat ability was also a big reason for choosing a bullpup rifle. Again this was a 4 year long transition from the G36 to the F2000.

The F2000 has a shorter barrel than the G36A2 (19" vs. 12"), and so logically would actually perform worse at ranges than the G36 would.

But it's more effective in the close range conditions it is working while it is still a capable medium range weapon. You can't always have the best of everything but it works for what it is needed for.

[Bezombia]

The F2000 has a shorter barrel than the G36A2 (19" vs. 12"), and so logically would actually perform worse at ranges than the G36 would.

But it's more effective in the close range conditions it is working while it is still a capable medium range weapon. You can't always have the best of everything but it works for what it is needed for.

Why not just adopt the G36 with a 12" barrel (G36K)? It'd be significantly shorter with a folding stock.

[Kouralia]

But it's more effective in the close range conditions it is working while it is still a capable medium range weapon. You can't always have the best of everything but it works for what it is needed for.

Why not just adopt the G36 with a 12" barrel (G36K)? It'd be significantly shorter with a folding stock.

Because he's adopting the FN2000, and the folding stock is irrelevant in dismounted FiBUA.

[Sedikal]

But it's more effective in the close range conditions it is working while it is still a capable medium range weapon. You can't always have the best of everything but it works for what it is needed for.

Why not just adopt the G36 with a 12" barrel (G36K)? It'd be significantly shorter with a folding stock.

Why? Because again it does meat the needs we needed. The F2000 is a compact weapon without having to fold a stock making it is accurate in close in combat while being a comparable medium range rifle. No need to fold and unfold stock just a good solid weapon.

[New Tsavon]

But it's more effective in the close range conditions it is working while it is still a capable medium range weapon. You can't always have the best of everything but it works for what it is needed for.

Why not just adopt the G36 with a 12" barrel (G36K)? It'd be significantly shorter with a folding stock.

Because the G36 is useless past 200 or so meters when hot.

[Bezombia]

Why not just adopt the G36 with a 12" barrel (G36K)? It'd be significantly shorter with a folding stock.

Because the G36 is useless past 200 or so meters when hot.

...then why use it at all in the first place? There's some disconnect here, but I'm not sure where...

[Kouralia]

Why not just adopt the G36 with a 12" barrel (G36K)? It'd be significantly shorter with a folding stock.

Because the G36 is useless past 200 or so meters when hot.

After a long battle rifle G36 is so hot shot that opponents can no longer be treated properly at a distance of only 200 meters.

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[Immoren]

Because the G36 is useless past 200 or so meters when hot.

...then why use it at all in the first place? There's some disconnect here, but I'm not sure where...

Because assault rifles are self-defense weapons for ranges shorter than 200-300 meters. *nods*

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

The F2000 has a shorter barrel than the G36A2 (19" vs. 12"), and so logically would actually perform worse at ranges than the G36 would.

Just wiking it quickly, the F2000 has a 16" barrel.

I really can understand why he did it. The F2000 is shorter than the G36C, while maintaining a barrel length greater than the G36K. I can honestly agree with him, even. I was just pointing out that purchasing G36K/C kits and issuing them to select troops would have been a more economical approach than completely re equipping the mainline infantry with F2000s

[Immoren]

I was wondering why not some modern infantry squads don't have explicitly marked second in command.
Is the reason
A) By the time 2iC would be taking command, squad would already be worthless as unit due to losses it's sustained.
or
B)It's thought to be common sense, that squad members figure out whom takes charge after SL falls
or
C)Other.

[Kouralia]

I was wondering why not some modern infantry squads with fire don't have explicitly marked second in command.
Is the reason
A) By the time 2iC would be taking command, squad would already be worthless as unit due to losses it's sustained.
or
B)It's thought to be common sense, that squad members figure out whom takes charge after SL falls
or
C)Other.

What does 'with fire' mean?

I mean, in the British Army it goes: IC, Rfn, Gdr, Gnr, 2IC, Rfn, Gdr, Gnr I believe.

[Imperializt Russia]

Well the Army replaced the M16A2 with the M4 so...

250mm difference. Significantly greater than a 50mm difference.
Also the M4 has a telescoping stock, so...

Pretty sure the G36 won't fire with the stock folded.

[Immoren]

I was wondering why not some modern infantry squads don't have explicitly marked second in command.
Is the reason
A) By the time 2iC would be taking command, squad would already be worthless as unit due to losses it's sustained.
or
B)It's thought to be common sense, that squad members figure out whom takes charge after SL falls
or
C)Other.

What does 'with fire' mean?

I mean, in the British Army it goes: IC, Rfn, Gdr, Gnr, 2IC, Rfn, Gdr, Gnr I believe.

It doesn't mean anything. I don't know why I added it.
But fo example US army and USMC squads don't seem to have explicit 2iC positions.
And I am not about Russians either...

[San-Silvacian]

250mm difference. Significantly greater than a 50mm difference.
Also the M4 has a telescoping stock, so...

Pretty sure the G36 won't fire with the stock folded.

new stocks allow it

What does 'with fire' mean?

I mean, in the British Army it goes: IC, Rfn, Gdr, Gnr, 2IC, Rfn, Gdr, Gnr I believe.

It doesn't mean anything. I don't know why I added it.
But fo example US army and USMC squads don't seem to have explicit 2iC positions.
And I am not about Russians either...

In the Army its a pretty common thing that the Alpha team leader is the 2iC if need be. You're Alpha team leader is typically your most experienced soldier of the squad, since the Alpha team will come under fire first, you want the most experienced soldier up front so your squad has the best change of getting the upper hand.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Pretty sure the G36 won't fire with the stock folded.

IIRC, it can, but doing so has a very negative effect on the rifle's lifespan.

[Celritannia]

What does 'with fire' mean?

I mean, in the British Army it goes: IC, Rfn, Gdr, Gnr, 2IC, Rfn, Gdr, Gnr I believe.

It doesn't mean anything. I don't know why I added it.
But fo example US army and USMC squads don't seem to have explicit 2iC positions.
And I am not about Russians either...

That's why I have a 5 man 'fire team' (Or Celritannian Squads) and a 10 man section. If one fire team is pinned the other fire team can help.

[San-Silvacian]

It doesn't mean anything. I don't know why I added it.
But fo example US army and USMC squads don't seem to have explicit 2iC positions.
And I am not about Russians either...

That's why I have a 5 man 'fire team' (Or Celritannian Squads) and a 10 man section. If one fire team is pinned the other fire team can help.

Thats what your supposed to do.

[Bezombia]

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[Kouralia]

That's why I have a 5 man 'fire team' (Or Celritannian Squads) and a 10 man section. If one fire team is pinned the other fire team can help.

Thats what your supposed to do.

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