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NS infantry discussion thread. Mark II

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Who will OP the next iteration of the IDT?

Aqizithiuda
36
27%
Benomia
34
25%
Dread Lady Nathicana
6
4%
Kyrusia
3
2%
Purpelia
11
8%
Samoz (Imperializt Russia)
8
6%
Spreewerke
14
10%
Transnapastain
9
7%
Ulfr-Reich / Aethal
3
2%
United states of brazilian nations
10
7%
 
Total votes : 134

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NS infantry discussion thread. Mark II

Postby Transnapastain » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:01 pm

Welcome to the Infantry in your Nation thread! A continuation of the Main Military Weapons thread series.

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Unlike the previous series, this thread Is for the discussion of of your nations military's small arms, body armor, uniform, communications gear, and other general equipment. All tech levels are welcome, but please understand that this thread tends to be geared towards modern and post modern tech, so designs operating on unobtainium or other FT wankery are bound to be criticized from a realistic perspective. If having your designs evaluated for a realistic perspective does not appeal to you, it is advisable you do not post here. There is nothing wrong with past-tech, fantasy tech, or any other non-modern technology based nation posting a design, and you are welcome to post here, but be prepared for the inevitable "That won't work because..." post. These are not meant to offend you, they are meant to teach you. If you do not requirement enlightenment, simply leave it alone.

If you do post a design here, you agree that it will be criticized by the denizens of this thread. You are under no obligation to change the design based on this criticism, but continuing to argue in the face of facts will not bode well for you. Further, if you do not know, ask. If someone asks and you do not know the answer, don't respond. Speak on subjects you know, don't attempt to bullshit. Finally, there are plenty of people in this thread, both new and old, who have knowledge regarding a vast array of military technologies, try to learn from them Dispute if you will, but be prepared to use facts to back up your claims.

"Because it's magic" "I'm FT lawl" and "because I say so" are not valid arguments. Posters, if a player makes aid argument, drop it. These and other non-answers demonstrate that the poster has no desire to learn, therefore, you can not teach.

please avoid excessive posting of vehicles, regardless of their affect on infantry deployment, this is n infantry thread first and foremost, we have vehicle and aircraft threads for those.
The below is a sort of re-hask, tl;dr of the above.

House rules (would you kindly read these)

~ Originally by Risen Britannia, modified by Transnapastain.

1: Read the OP. As you can probably guess from the title this thread has been round a while, the OP contains all allot some of the knowledge gained from previous iterations.

2: By posting you are accepting that they WILL be criticized, however it is up to you whether you listen (though you aren't going to make friends if you don't.

3: Be civil, site rules still apply. Due to past incidents we have Mods (Transnapastain) who is a regular here.

4: Whilst not encouraged off topic posts are allowed to an extent, EG you wont get a warning if you post a jet or tank etc... Just remember this thread is for infantry equipment, including but not limited to small arms, armor and uniforms.

5: While the F&NI sub forum is in-character, most posts in technology discussions threads are OOC in nature. IC statements can be made but are not the norm and may not be read as in character.

6: Excepting page topping "gun porn", large images will be placed in spoilers. "Large" will be determined by moderation. If you are asked to place image sin spoilers, please do so.

8: Be extra nice to Transnapastain

9: No feeding the trolls

10: Respect is earned, and your post probably isn't as funny as you think it is.

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Do not talk about politics, I don''t care if you were just replying to someone, don't do it!

DO NOT DISCUSS POLITICS!
Any form of gun control discussion is not allowed here, take that to general.

A few useful links for the sake of the thread.
Information on the "AK-47" and family courtesy of Spreewerke
more "AK-47" infromation from Spreewerke
Information on Body armor From Puzikas
Information on Submachine guns, also from Puzikas
why the 5.45X39 SKS doesn't exist, from Puzikas

Previous IDT Threads
NS Infantry discussion thread

MMW, the inspiration for this thread
MMW Part 12
MMW R11
MMW A10
MMW Type-09
MMW Pattern VIII
MMW MOD-7
MMW Mk VI
MMW Mk V
MMW Mk IV
MMW MkII (Pt2)
MMW MkIII
MMW MkII
MMW
link to the NS Infantry IRC (not managed by me nor do I have anything to do with it.)
Look here for updates in the near future.
Have fun.

This OP originally by Black Hand, modified by Transnapastain.
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Postby Ea90 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:03 pm

first reply woot

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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:04 pm

New thread?

What's an acceptable weightload for soldiers?

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Postby Rich and Corporations » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:05 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:New thread?

What's an acceptable weightload for soldiers?

about 25% to 33% of their weight
but realistically you'll be burdening them with 75% of their own weight
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should my squads/fireteams fit in vehicles, or should they only partially fit in vehicles?
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Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:06 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:New thread?

What's an acceptable weightload for soldiers?


Supposedly not more than a third of their body weight.

E.g. 90 kg soldier: <=30kg load ?
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Postby Premislyd » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:07 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:New thread?

What's an acceptable weightload for soldiers?


~25 kg
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:07 pm

Rich and Corporations wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:New thread?

What's an acceptable weightload for soldiers?

about 25% to 33% of their weight
but realistically you'll be burdening them with 75% of their own weight
Ea90 wrote:first reply woot

how spammy


should my squads/fireteams fit in vehicles, or should they only partially fit in vehicles?

US Army units using Strykers can fit infantry squads into them (9 squad members, 9 passengers in a Stryker) but of course not all vehicles can hold that many in its passenger area (Bradley can hold 6).

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Postby Oaledonia » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:07 pm

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Postby Ea90 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:09 pm

Rich and Corporations wrote:how spammy

fite me irl
Rich and Corporations wrote:should my squads/fireteams fit in vehicles, or should they only partially fit in vehicles?

one squad per vehicle is ideal

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Postby Crookfur » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:09 pm

Fordorsia wrote:WIP

Need feedback on how it looks, rather than how it works. (Spree is helping with that)


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Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:09 pm

Fordorsia wrote:WIP

Need feedback on how it looks, rather than how it works. (Spree is helping with that)


it looks freaking amazing, ford.

not that it'd be a bad thing or anything, but I see you really like carrying handles :lol:
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Postby Ea90 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:10 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:What's an acceptable weightload for soldiers?

supposedly 20-25kg is where you want to be, but it's difficult

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Postby Bezombia » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:11 pm

Crapton of art dump:




Anyway, back to the question I asked last time.Would a modernized Krag-Jorgensen rifle be a good military sniper rifle?
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Postby Fordorsia » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:11 pm

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:WIP

Need feedback on how it looks, rather than how it works. (Spree is helping with that)


it looks freaking amazing, ford.

not that it'd be a bad thing or anything, but I see you really like carrying handles :lol:


Many thanks.

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Postby Themiclesia » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:13 pm

Should military ranks be tagged to Civil Service ranks?

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Themiclesia wrote:Should military ranks be tagged to Civil Service ranks?

Hell no. Keep those ranks separate from the civilian system.

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Postby Sevvania » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:13 pm

Fordorsia wrote:I can find a way to put a carry handle on anything.

I like carry handles.

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Postby Fordorsia » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:16 pm

Sevvania wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:I can find a way to put a carry handle on anything.

I like carry handles.

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They are the best kind of handles.

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Postby Bezombia » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:17 pm

Fordorsia wrote:
Sevvania wrote:I like carry handles.

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They are the best kind of handles.

Colouring shall commence once Spree confirms that it looks perfectly like a NotRPK.


What are you changing from the normal RPK? Other than caliber, of course.
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Postby Lemanrussland » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:17 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:New thread?

What's an acceptable weightload for soldiers?

~1/3 of their overall body weight.
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:17 pm

Themiclesia wrote:Should military ranks be tagged to Civil Service ranks?

i don't think civil serve ranks are uniform across departments
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:18 pm

Themiclesia wrote:Should military ranks be tagged to Civil Service ranks?

If you want to show Civil Service and Military rank equivalents, say a General being on the same Level as a Senior Civil Servant, this chart might give you a few ideas. I used this as a base plate for my own comparisons:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_Ranks
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Postby Absurrania » Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:18 pm

Bezombia wrote:Crapton of art dump:




Anyway, back to the question I asked last time.Would a modernized Krag-Jorgensen rifle be a good military sniper rifle?


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