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Postby Beth Gellert » Thu May 27, 2010 5:40 pm

I think it's more likely that Caine Isle's military budget is not so high as stated. Over one and a half trillion dollars in a nation about the size of the USA and Germany combined. Sure. Maybe if total war had broken out (in which case there'd be a heck of a lot more troops called up!).

Has this come from one of those calculators? They're really getting up my nose, lately. 'USA doubles defence spending but don't worry, economy fine, infrastructure not crumbling and government totally popular, news fair and balanced.' Meanwhile, Greece to bail-out Germany...
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New Balkaney
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Postby New Balkaney » Thu May 27, 2010 5:42 pm

Beth Gellert wrote:I think it's more likely that Caine Isle's military budget is not so high as stated. Over one and a half trillion dollars in a nation about the size of the USA and Germany combined. Sure. Maybe if total war had broken out (in which case there'd be a heck of a lot more troops called up!).

Has this come from one of those calculators? They're really getting up my nose, lately. 'USA doubles defence spending but don't worry, economy fine, infrastructure not crumbling and government totally popular, news fair and balanced.' Meanwhile, Greece to bail-out Germany...



You mean, Germany to bail out Greece.
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Postby Estruia » Thu May 27, 2010 5:44 pm

Beth Gellert wrote:I think it's more likely that Caine Isle's military budget is not so high as stated. Over one and a half trillion dollars in a nation about the size of the USA and Germany combined. Sure. Maybe if total war had broken out (in which case there'd be a heck of a lot more troops called up!).

Has this come from one of those calculators? They're really getting up my nose, lately. 'USA doubles defence spending but don't worry, economy fine, infrastructure not crumbling and government totally popular, news fair and balanced.' Meanwhile, Greece to bail-out Germany...



Greece doesnt have the money to bail out themselves, let alone germany...
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Postby Solarva » Thu May 27, 2010 6:38 pm

Estruia wrote:
Beth Gellert wrote:I think it's more likely that Caine Isle's military budget is not so high as stated. Over one and a half trillion dollars in a nation about the size of the USA and Germany combined. Sure. Maybe if total war had broken out (in which case there'd be a heck of a lot more troops called up!).

Has this come from one of those calculators? They're really getting up my nose, lately. 'USA doubles defence spending but don't worry, economy fine, infrastructure not crumbling and government totally popular, news fair and balanced.' Meanwhile, Greece to bail-out Germany...



Greece doesnt have the money to bail out themselves, let alone germany...


I think Europe's just pouring money down the drain right now if they're pour more money into Greece.
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Postby Caine Isle » Fri May 28, 2010 4:23 am

Novikov wrote:
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Caine Isle wrote:Total Population: 382,000,000
Defence: $1,521,479,107,200.00 31%

Total armed forces personel: 800,000


Would that be realistic and how well equiped would my armed forces be?


At that level of spending, and that number of soldiers.... I'd think your tanks would be made by Roll-Royce. :p It breaks down as $1,901,848 per person, which is a pretty high figure and indicitive of a very well equipped and very modern army.


More like an army that wastes money on gold plated guns and six-figure salaries for every soldier. The point of an army is to fight, not to lounge around in a five-star hotel of a barracks.


Or has a really well trained military and a huge R&D department. Or maybe they maintain a lot of overseas commitments. There are a lot of reasons this number could be so large.


Hmm thats good then :) maybe i could make an army of transformers :O that would be cool
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Postby Veceria » Fri May 28, 2010 5:21 am

9.264.000 Soldiers total. That includes Special Forces, Border Control, City Watch, National Army, Navy and Airforce.
~0,496% of my total Population.
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Postby Beth Gellert » Mon May 31, 2010 12:14 pm

...and in breaking news, point hurtles over the heads of New Balkaney, Estruia, and possibly Solarva.
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Postby Darenjo » Mon May 31, 2010 12:22 pm

21,840,000 in total (about 7% of pop.), organized into seven branches: (by size) army, air force, navy, intelligence agencies, special forces (weapons developement, wmd program, etc.), national guard (border patrol, city watch, port/airport security, escorts for gov. officials, riot police), and space force.
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Postby British Kuwait » Mon May 31, 2010 12:24 pm

I'm not going to lie, I have a military of 1,500,000, alot of those being clones trained to be proffessional soldiers, Split up into Special forces, marines, army, navy and air force. I dont think it would have been believable if I said 100,000,000 when my population is 9,000,000 :p
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Postby Solarva » Mon May 31, 2010 12:41 pm

Beth Gellert wrote:...and in breaking news, point hurtles over the heads of New Balkaney, Estruia, and possibly Solarva.


Well hey, it's just my opinion. >_>
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Postby Anagonia » Mon May 31, 2010 1:38 pm

40 Million active, 10 Million reserve.
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Postby Knowlandia » Mon May 31, 2010 3:21 pm

It's in my sig. 60,000 :rofl:
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Postby Cheona » Mon May 31, 2010 3:54 pm

About 65% of our population. Including army, navy, and air force

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Postby San Pellegrino Romana » Mon May 31, 2010 3:55 pm

Cheona wrote:About 65% of our population. Including army, navy, and air force


dude, how can you even support your economy?
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Postby Cheona » Mon May 31, 2010 3:59 pm

San Pellegrino Romana wrote:
Cheona wrote:About 65% of our population. Including army, navy, and air force


dude, how can you even support your economy?


Since our small, medium, and large industries still active, we are don't worry to think we can't support our economy.

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Postby New Balkaney » Mon May 31, 2010 4:10 pm

Cheona wrote:
San Pellegrino Romana wrote:
Cheona wrote:About 65% of our population. Including army, navy, and air force


dude, how can you even support your economy?


Since our small, medium, and large industries still active, we are don't worry to think we can't support our economy.


But how, with virtually your entire work force in the armed forces, do you manage to keep these industries active?
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Postby Cheona » Mon May 31, 2010 4:16 pm

New Balkaney wrote:
Cheona wrote:
San Pellegrino Romana wrote:
Cheona wrote:About 65% of our population. Including army, navy, and air force


dude, how can you even support your economy?


Since our small, medium, and large industries still active, we are don't worry to think we can't support our economy.


But how, with virtually your entire work force in the armed forces, do you manage to keep these industries active?


Yes, we're attempt all sector in our industries to stay active. We give our people a choice, want him go to work in our industry or our Royal Cheona Army? In fact, our 8 millions people has given choice of work when they was in 18 years old. About 4 million of our people prefer working as a soldier, the rest work is in industry.

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Postby New Balkaney » Mon May 31, 2010 4:30 pm

Cheona wrote:
New Balkaney wrote:
Cheona wrote:
San Pellegrino Romana wrote:
Cheona wrote:About 65% of our population. Including army, navy, and air force


dude, how can you even support your economy?


Since our small, medium, and large industries still active, we are don't worry to think we can't support our economy.


But how, with virtually your entire work force in the armed forces, do you manage to keep these industries active?


Yes, we're attempt all sector in our industries to stay active. We give our people a choice, want him go to work in our industry or our Royal Cheona Army? In fact, our 8 millions people has given choice of work when they was in 18 years old. About 4 million of our people prefer working as a soldier, the rest work is in industry.


Yes, that's all well and fine, but how do you equip your troops, build your weaponry, finance your industry, raise your taxes, develop your infrastructure and have enough non-soldiers to keep industry at peak capacity with the vast majority of your viable work force in the armed forces? When you take away 65%, all that is left is the very young, the very very old and those unfit for service. And these an industrial sector work force do not make.

So, how do you do it?
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Postby Fatatatutti » Mon May 31, 2010 4:33 pm

Cheona wrote:About 4 million of our people prefer working as a soldier, the rest work is in industry.

According to my calculations, your $2 billion military budget would provide $500 for each soldier. Even if you have a Donut-a-Day program like we do, that would only add $300 or $400 per soldier. At that funding level, your soldiers would have to take turns eating, never mind have any equipment or training.

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Postby Cheona » Mon May 31, 2010 5:21 pm

New Balkaney wrote:
Cheona wrote:
New Balkaney wrote:
Cheona wrote:
San Pellegrino Romana wrote:
Cheona wrote:About 65% of our population. Including army, navy, and air force


dude, how can you even support your economy?


Since our small, medium, and large industries still active, we are don't worry to think we can't support our economy.


But how, with virtually your entire work force in the armed forces, do you manage to keep these industries active?


Yes, we're attempt all sector in our industries to stay active. We give our people a choice, want him go to work in our industry or our Royal Cheona Army? In fact, our 8 millions people has given choice of work when they was in 18 years old. About 4 million of our people prefer working as a soldier, the rest work is in industry.


Yes, that's all well and fine, but how do you equip your troops, build your weaponry, finance your industry, raise your taxes, develop your infrastructure and have enough non-soldiers to keep industry at peak capacity with the vast majority of your viable work force in the armed forces? When you take away 65%, all that is left is the very young, the very very old and those unfit for service. And these an industrial sector work force do not make.

So, how do you do it?


Fortunately, all our military industries, include weaponry industry, are runs well. We have not any problem to equip our troops because we have enough supplies and weapon. If our military industries have a financial problem, we have no way except raise the taxes, and increase selling price of our weapon. That's our way to control our economy and keep it stabilized.

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Postby British Kuwait » Mon May 31, 2010 5:29 pm

Cheona wrote:
New Balkaney wrote:
Cheona wrote:
New Balkaney wrote:
Cheona wrote:
San Pellegrino Romana wrote:
Cheona wrote:About 65% of our population. Including army, navy, and air force


dude, how can you even support your economy?


Since our small, medium, and large industries still active, we are don't worry to think we can't support our economy.


But how, with virtually your entire work force in the armed forces, do you manage to keep these industries active?


Yes, we're attempt all sector in our industries to stay active. We give our people a choice, want him go to work in our industry or our Royal Cheona Army? In fact, our 8 millions people has given choice of work when they was in 18 years old. About 4 million of our people prefer working as a soldier, the rest work is in industry.


Yes, that's all well and fine, but how do you equip your troops, build your weaponry, finance your industry, raise your taxes, develop your infrastructure and have enough non-soldiers to keep industry at peak capacity with the vast majority of your viable work force in the armed forces? When you take away 65%, all that is left is the very young, the very very old and those unfit for service. And these an industrial sector work force do not make.

So, how do you do it?


Fortunately, all our military industries, include weaponry industry, are runs well. We have not any problem to equip our troops because we have enough supplies and weapon. If our military industries have a financial problem, we have no way except raise the taxes, and increase selling price of our weapon. That's our way to control our economy and keep it stabilized.


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Postby New Balkaney » Mon May 31, 2010 5:32 pm

Cheona wrote:
New Balkaney wrote:
Cheona wrote:
New Balkaney wrote:
Cheona wrote:
San Pellegrino Romana wrote:
Cheona wrote:About 65% of our population. Including army, navy, and air force


dude, how can you even support your economy?


Since our small, medium, and large industries still active, we are don't worry to think we can't support our economy.


But how, with virtually your entire work force in the armed forces, do you manage to keep these industries active?


Yes, we're attempt all sector in our industries to stay active. We give our people a choice, want him go to work in our industry or our Royal Cheona Army? In fact, our 8 millions people has given choice of work when they was in 18 years old. About 4 million of our people prefer working as a soldier, the rest work is in industry.


Yes, that's all well and fine, but how do you equip your troops, build your weaponry, finance your industry, raise your taxes, develop your infrastructure and have enough non-soldiers to keep industry at peak capacity with the vast majority of your viable work force in the armed forces? When you take away 65%, all that is left is the very young, the very very old and those unfit for service. And these an industrial sector work force do not make.

So, how do you do it?


Fortunately, all our military industries, include weaponry industry, are runs well. We have not any problem to equip our troops because we have enough supplies and weapon. If our military industries have a financial problem, we have no way except raise the taxes, and increase selling price of our weapon. That's our way to control our economy and keep it stabilized.



So, despite not having enough money to purchase even one rifle per soldier, how do you plan to actually purchase these weapons that are now far increased in price? You're literally killing off your industry, since you can't buy any of your own goods for your people.
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Postby British Kuwait » Mon May 31, 2010 5:33 pm

Raising taxes that many times on your citizens, which are the only ones working in the factories, is kind of well stupid. Well, you basically just ate yourself economically.
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Postby Pretty Awesome Persons » Mon May 31, 2010 5:35 pm

My military is about 2,370,000 people.
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Postby British Kuwait » Mon May 31, 2010 5:42 pm

My active military is 500,000 split between the 3 branches of the armed forces, navy, air force, and army with Marines and special forces. My full military of 1,500,000 is only activated during an invasion and most of those are trained clones so our citizens dont have to deal with the military as much unless they volunteer.
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