Your Military size?

[Estruia]

After spending a little time thinking on it, I decided to go in depth a little bit on my armed forces.
Each Division is made up of 15,000 Personnel in each.

There are 4 Divisions of Armor:
The 87th "Kolitora" Division: 350 Zulenkhov MBT's, 350 Markhevo Anti-Personnel Tanks, and 560 Umanysk IFV's.
The 88th "Itechi" Division: 780 Umanysk IFV's and 210 Markhevo Anti-Personnel Tanks.
The 89th "Telear" Division: 410 Markhevo Anti-Personnel Tanks and 60 "Crawler" Fortress Tanks.
The 90th "Kolistra" Division: 350 Zulenkhov MBT's, 350 Markhevo Anti-Personnel Tanks, and 560 Umanysk IFV's.

There are 16 Divisions of Mechanized Infantry, Only one has a notable name and that is the 112th Rapid Response Division, which is made up of over 15,000 Ulyanovsk Mechanized suits.

And last, but not least, there are the 9 Space/Airforce Divisions they just run and man the ships loaned to us from the Federation, and domestically made ships.

[New Balkaney]

After spending a little time thinking on it, I decided to go in depth a little bit on my armed forces.
Each Division is made up of 15,000 Personnel in each.

There are 4 Divisions of Armor:
The 87th "Kolitora" Division: 350 Zulenkhov MBT's, 350 Markhevo Anti-Personnel Tanks, and 560 Umanysk IFV's.
The 88th "Itechi" Division: 780 Umanysk IFV's and 210 Markhevo Anti-Personnel Tanks.
The 89th "Telear" Division: 410 Markhevo Anti-Personnel Tanks and 60 "Crawler" Fortress Tanks.
The 90th "Kolistra" Division: 350 Zulenkhov MBT's, 350 Markhevo Anti-Personnel Tanks, and 560 Umanysk IFV's.

There are 16 Divisions of Mechanized Infantry, Only one has a notable name and that is the 112th Rapid Response Division, with is made up of over 15,000 Ulyanovsk Mechanized suits.

And last, but not least, there are the 9 Space/Airforce Divisions they just run the man the ships loaned to us from the Federation, and domestically made ships.

This sounds like a pretty well developed system. I like the focus on mechanized divisions over infantry and air superiority, given it's role within the larger military hierarchy of your alliance network.

[DeusII]

50,000, mostly made up of those between 16-18.

Let's hope you never need to fight.

[Carls-land]

Oh and we have a huge income tax ( about 45% ) and when you are age 18-20 you go to a military training camp or join a public service for road or construction or building bridges etc

You may have 45% income tax, but lets see how that breaks down...

Government Budget Details
Administration: $431,874,708.05 16%
Social Welfare: $377,890,369.54 14%
Healthcare: $377,890,369.54 14%
Education: $377,890,369.54 14%
Religion & Spirituality: $539,843,385.06 20%
Defence: $161,953,015.52 6%
Law & Order: $431,874,708.05 16%
Commerce: $0.00 0%
Public Transport: $0.00 0%
The Environment: $0.00 0%
Social Equality: $0.00 0%

Defense spending is only 6%. Not very much at all. In fact, its pretty much on the "very low" side of things. Using the "$500K" standard of expenditures (not an official part of NS, but reasonably accurate as to what you can afford) that would give you money for an army of 323, including their equipment. Basically a reinforced company sized unit.

if i did that my army seize would be larger than my population

[Carls-land]

anyway my army's seize is 20 million

[Caine Isle]

Thanks to a strong military tradition we have 98% participation in national service. the remaining 2% are excluded for health reasons.

So 98% of our citizens are basically trained riflemen and could form an effective militia since most have hunting weapons since hunting is a popular past-time in our nation, 15% of the population are part time reserve and 10% are regular soldiers.

not that im complaining but that really isnt possible

[Grays Harbor]

Oh and we have a huge income tax ( about 45% ) and when you are age 18-20 you go to a military training camp or join a public service for road or construction or building bridges etc

You may have 45% income tax, but lets see how that breaks down...

Government Budget Details
Administration: $431,874,708.05 16%
Social Welfare: $377,890,369.54 14%
Healthcare: $377,890,369.54 14%
Education: $377,890,369.54 14%
Religion & Spirituality: $539,843,385.06 20%
Defence: $161,953,015.52 6%
Law & Order: $431,874,708.05 16%
Commerce: $0.00 0%
Public Transport: $0.00 0%
The Environment: $0.00 0%
Social Equality: $0.00 0%

Defense spending is only 6%. Not very much at all. In fact, its pretty much on the "very low" side of things. Using the "$500K" standard of expenditures (not an official part of NS, but reasonably accurate as to what you can afford) that would give you money for an army of 323, including their equipment. Basically a reinforced company sized unit.

if i did that my army seize would be larger than my population

larger? Umm... ... how do you figure that?

[Gahaldu]

Gahaldu's Army is made up of about 120,000 people, its Air Force 40,000, and its Navy 60,000. If we employed all of our reserve personnel, our Army would be 790,000 strong, our Air Force 125,000, and our Navy 270,000.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Oh and we have a huge income tax ( about 45% ) and when you are age 18-20 you go to a military training camp or join a public service for road or construction or building bridges etc

You may have 45% income tax, but lets see how that breaks down...

Government Budget Details
Administration: $431,874,708.05 16%
Social Welfare: $377,890,369.54 14%
Healthcare: $377,890,369.54 14%
Education: $377,890,369.54 14%
Religion & Spirituality: $539,843,385.06 20%
Defence: $161,953,015.52 6%
Law & Order: $431,874,708.05 16%
Commerce: $0.00 0%
Public Transport: $0.00 0%
The Environment: $0.00 0%
Social Equality: $0.00 0%

Defense spending is only 6%. Not very much at all. In fact, its pretty much on the "very low" side of things. Using the "$500K" standard of expenditures (not an official part of NS, but reasonably accurate as to what you can afford) that would give you money for an army of 323, including their equipment. Basically a reinforced company sized unit.

if i did that my army seize would be larger than my population

larger? Umm... ... how do you figure that?

I suppose if he had a GDP per capita higher than $500,000 and a 100% tax rate, and all of it was military spending than he could have a military larger than his population (using that formula). I have yet to see any nation that comes anywhere close to the first criteria, or any nation that meets the last criteria.

[Shadow25]

1 million regulars serving in all branches
reserves: classified information

[TurtleShroom]

According to the 2010 Great Census, there are exactly 4,585,734 soldiers- active, inactive, registered, reserve, all of them -in the TS military. Considering TS' recent Wars on Terror (NS Issue), many have joined since the last Great Census. TS does not use conscription. "Following new legislation in TurtleShroom, "the nation is locked in a bloody and expensive war, stamping out terrorists abroad".

Of these, most do not see combat, but rather work on supply, bureaucracy, etc. etc., and 70% to 80% of them at any time are in reserve and thus doing something domestic, holding another job until they need to be deployed, if at all. It is not unheard of for a soldier to sign up and never see combat or deployment of any kind.

The government juggles the competing demands of Religion & Spirituality, Law & Order, and Defence.

Government Budget: $2,266,681,364,640.00
Government Expenditures: $2,198,680,923,700.80

Administration: $21,986,809,237.01 1%
Social Welfare: $21,986,809,237.01 1%
Healthcare: $21,986,809,237.01 1%
Education: $307,815,329,318.11 14%
Religion & Spirituality: $769,538,323,295.28 35%
Defence: $307,815,329,318.11 14%
Law & Order: $549,670,230,925.20 25%
Commerce: $0.00 0%
Public Transport: $131,920,855,422.05 6%
The Environment: $65,960,427,711.02 3%
Social Equality: $0.00 0%

We have to have a big army to get this, RIGHT?

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#202: Guns Or Butter?

The Issue
After years of costly military build-up, the military now has a state of readiness capable of responding to all threats, both foreign and domestic. There is extensive debate among government officials, the military, and the average citizen over what, if anything, should be done with this powerful asset.

The Debate
1. "No one even thinks to look at us funny now," says Field Marshall Lionel Mandrake as he taps a swagger stick against his hip. "So think about how they'd act when the military is in proper charge of the country? We'd say jump, and they'd jump, by jingo. Oh, and if you don't agree with me, consider this a coup."

{all others are motions to disband or cut back the military}

Also, civillians normally own at least one firearm or weapon of some sort. Welcome to conservative heck!

[Caine Isle]

Total Population: 382,000,000
Defence: $1,521,479,107,200.00 31%

Total armed forces personel: 800,000


Would that be realistic and how well equiped would my armed forces be?

[Carls-land]

Oh and we have a huge income tax ( about 45% ) and when you are age 18-20 you go to a military training camp or join a public service for road or construction or building bridges etc

You may have 45% income tax, but lets see how that breaks down...

Government Budget Details
Administration: $431,874,708.05 16%
Social Welfare: $377,890,369.54 14%
Healthcare: $377,890,369.54 14%
Education: $377,890,369.54 14%
Religion & Spirituality: $539,843,385.06 20%
Defence: $161,953,015.52 6%
Law & Order: $431,874,708.05 16%
Commerce: $0.00 0%
Public Transport: $0.00 0%
The Environment: $0.00 0%
Social Equality: $0.00 0%

Defense spending is only 6%. Not very much at all. In fact, its pretty much on the "very low" side of things. Using the "$500K" standard of expenditures (not an official part of NS, but reasonably accurate as to what you can afford) that would give you money for an army of 323, including their equipment. Basically a reinforced company sized unit.

if i did that my army seize would be larger than my population

larger? Umm... ... how do you figure that?

sorry i made a mistake in my calculations but it would still be an HUGE amount of my population. it would be 51139660 A MASSIVE AMOUNT APPROXIMATELY 25% OF MY POPULATION. so still

[Laysley]

Interestingly, this wasn't made by me. However, it is VERY accurate.

http://uploads.mibbit.com/E02gc1.png

[Carls-land]

Interestingly, this wasn't made by me. However, it is VERY accurate.

http://uploads.mibbit.com/E02gc1.png

what?

[TurtleShroom]

Interestingly, this wasn't made by me. However, it is VERY accurate.

http://uploads.mibbit.com/E02gc1.png

what?

Basically, Carls-land does not have a standing military.

[Carls-land]

Interestingly, this wasn't made by me. However, it is VERY accurate.

http://uploads.mibbit.com/E02gc1.png

what?

Basically, Carls-land does not have a standing military.

i never said so

[Novikov]

The Novikovian Land Self Defense Force consists of fifteen Armored Divisions, sixty Mechanized Infantry Divisions, sixty-two Infantry Divisions, ten Artillery Regiments, twelve Air Defense Regiments, two Armored Brigades, and six Reconiassence Battalions. That's a grand total of roughly 1.778.000 troops, 21.740 tanks, 98.560 other armored vehicles, 48.300 SAMs, and 21.940 artillery pieces.

The Novikovian Airborne/Early Reaction Force consists of six Airborne Infantry Divisions and two Naval Infantry Brigades, totaling roughly 60.000 troops, 100 tanks, 600 armored vehicles, 200 SAMs, and 460 artillery pieces.

The Novikovian Air Defense Force consists of 15.200 combat aircraft organized into eight-hundred squadrons, plus 9.880 helicopters and 1.220 transport/support aircraft. Additionally, the Air Defense Force comprises sixteen SAM Regiments. Most of these aircraft are interceptors or air-superiority fighters, with very few strike aircraft (just 4.800 of the 15.200 combat aircraft in service.)

The Novikovian Self Defense Force Fleet consists of 115 capitol ships, including six Dreadnaughts, nine Battleships, and ten Aircraft Carriers, plus 680 escorts, 155 submarines, and 1.146 support vessels of all types. These are organized into five main fleets, as well as some two-dozen smaller operational groups.

[Dimoniquid]

OOC: Defense force? Likey. May I use the concept?

[Novikov]

OOC: Defense force? Likey. May I use the concept?

OOC: Umm... Okay. Fine by me. I just took the name from the Japanese SDF anyways.

[Dimoniquid]

OOC: Really? Cool.

[Grays Harbor]

Total Population: 382,000,000
Defence: $1,521,479,107,200.00 31%

Total armed forces personel: 800,000


Would that be realistic and how well equiped would my armed forces be?

At that level of spending, and that number of soldiers.... I'd think your tanks would be made by Roll-Royce. It breaks down as $1,901,848 per person, which is a pretty high figure and indicitive of a very well equipped and very modern army.

[Cobhanglica]

Total Population: 382,000,000
Defence: $1,521,479,107,200.00 31%

Total armed forces personel: 800,000


Would that be realistic and how well equiped would my armed forces be?

At that level of spending, and that number of soldiers.... I'd think your tanks would be made by Roll-Royce. It breaks down as $1,901,848 per person, which is a pretty high figure and indicitive of a very well equipped and very modern army.

More like an army that wastes money on gold plated guns and six-figure salaries for every soldier. The point of an army is to fight, not to lounge around in a five-star hotel of a barracks.

[Novikov]

Total Population: 382,000,000
Defence: $1,521,479,107,200.00 31%

Total armed forces personel: 800,000


Would that be realistic and how well equiped would my armed forces be?

At that level of spending, and that number of soldiers.... I'd think your tanks would be made by Roll-Royce. It breaks down as $1,901,848 per person, which is a pretty high figure and indicitive of a very well equipped and very modern army.

More like an army that wastes money on gold plated guns and six-figure salaries for every soldier. The point of an army is to fight, not to lounge around in a five-star hotel of a barracks.

Or has a really well trained military and a huge R&D department. Or maybe they maintain a lot of overseas commitments. There are a lot of reasons this number could be so large.

[Bafuria]

Total Population: 382,000,000
Defence: $1,521,479,107,200.00 31%

Total armed forces personel: 800,000


Would that be realistic and how well equiped would my armed forces be?

IMHO I think you are wasting money you could be using to train and equip more soldiers.