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Inherentjoydom
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Postby Inherentjoydom » Wed May 12, 2010 4:33 pm

New Nicksyllvania wrote:
Inherentjoydom wrote:Corporations do most of the fighting because war is profitable.


Not anymore, unless you're just making the weapons and selling them. Otherwise it's a terrible expense, unless you plan to raid undefended towns with light infantry to rob and steal everything of value.

We profit from other wars by fighting for hire.
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Postby Inherentjoydom » Wed May 12, 2010 4:34 pm

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Gray Army
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Postby Gray Army » Wed May 12, 2010 4:34 pm

4 Billion, in the Imperial Gray Military.

11.15 Billion people total, so 7.15 billion let as civilians.



Of course, since I'm a Military Dictatorship, I could fit about 1 billion more Conscripts in there, but that's just for emergencies.
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Postby Inherentjoydom » Wed May 12, 2010 4:34 pm

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Postby Puff-Puff-Pass Land » Wed May 12, 2010 4:35 pm

My military size is a "Men's Large".
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The Adrian Empire
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Postby The Adrian Empire » Wed May 12, 2010 4:37 pm

Puff-Puff-Pass Land wrote:My military size is a "Men's Large".
I shop at Target for good deals. :D

I figured you for a commando.... JK :p
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Postby Dostanuot Loj » Wed May 12, 2010 5:15 pm

New Balkaney wrote:I'm well aware of what godmodding will lead to, but I still don't believe that it's a godmod. Foreign workers are not in population counts, as they are still legal citizens of their respective nations, on a work-lease to New Balkaney.

You clearly are not aware. As, in RL, population = people living and working there, and has nothing to do with citizens. Citizen = person with national franchise. Feudal states, where Lords are the only citizens, still include serfs as population. If they live and work there, they're population, and you can't get away from that.

The War Industry is the largest in the faction, and most of it is purchased by the Federal government to arm the Enforcers and the Armada, which represents a purely massive economic sector as there is a constant and rising demand for the goods, of which we produce the vast majority.

So where do you get the money to purchase your own weapons? By taxing those weapon producers? It's a cycle that quickly ends badly. It simply does not work as an economic model, and simply can not work.

I can see, in the future, limiting the number and perhaps normalizing what New Balkaney is and how it functions, bringing it in line with what you seem to consider a "normal" state, but at this time it simply doesn't make sense to. It's more enjoyable to engage in RP, NPC and against an actual player, as a militant sub-state than as an actual "state", mostly because so much of the culture that's been built up flies in the face of the civilization that would require.

What I consider a normal state means nothing (And no NS nation meets it by the way), what you're doing now is simply godmoding.
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Xanibian Military

Postby Xanibius » Wed May 12, 2010 5:24 pm

The amount of ready troops is about 1% of the population, about 9.09 million troops. Less than half of that amount is ground troops, and the rest are either Artillery, air, or Naval units.

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Postby New Balkaney » Wed May 12, 2010 6:10 pm

Dostanuot Loj wrote:
New Balkaney wrote:I'm well aware of what godmodding will lead to, but I still don't believe that it's a godmod. Foreign workers are not in population counts, as they are still legal citizens of their respective nations, on a work-lease to New Balkaney.

You clearly are not aware. As, in RL, population = people living and working there, and has nothing to do with citizens. Citizen = person with national franchise. Feudal states, where Lords are the only citizens, still include serfs as population. If they live and work there, they're population, and you can't get away from that.

The War Industry is the largest in the faction, and most of it is purchased by the Federal government to arm the Enforcers and the Armada, which represents a purely massive economic sector as there is a constant and rising demand for the goods, of which we produce the vast majority.

So where do you get the money to purchase your own weapons? By taxing those weapon producers? It's a cycle that quickly ends badly. It simply does not work as an economic model, and simply can not work.

I can see, in the future, limiting the number and perhaps normalizing what New Balkaney is and how it functions, bringing it in line with what you seem to consider a "normal" state, but at this time it simply doesn't make sense to. It's more enjoyable to engage in RP, NPC and against an actual player, as a militant sub-state than as an actual "state", mostly because so much of the culture that's been built up flies in the face of the civilization that would require.

What I consider a normal state means nothing (And no NS nation meets it by the way), what you're doing now is simply godmoding.


You raise a good point. I'll need to begin changing my nation's structure immediately.
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Postby Estruia » Wed May 12, 2010 6:15 pm

I dont think you should just because they say so...
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Postby New Balkaney » Wed May 12, 2010 6:40 pm

No, I think it's a good idea. It's best to conform to rules like this in RP settings, simply because it's somewhat rude to rock the boat when it's not welcome. I am fairly new compared to a lot of the others, so it's not my place to dictate policy and possibility to them just yet.
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The Adrian Empire
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Postby The Adrian Empire » Wed May 12, 2010 7:23 pm

New Balkaney wrote:No, I think it's a good idea. It's best to conform to rules like this in RP settings, simply because it's somewhat rude to rock the boat when it's not welcome. I am fairly new compared to a lot of the others, so it's not my place to dictate policy and possibility to them just yet.

Hey, we've all had to make adjustments at one time or another, practically everyone wants there nation to be an unstoppable killing machine feared by all, it's personification of ourselves (or egos) in most cases, so we don't want to think of it as weak as it would reflect personal weaknesses. but we need to eventually accept that we can't be 100% perfect, look for faults, invent ways to be beaten I still struggle with that. You've got plenty of time.
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Social: Authoritarian/Libertarian (-2.56)
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Lackadaisical2 wrote:The Adrian Empire is God.


Oh of course. But not to the leftists.

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Techno-Soviet
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Postby Techno-Soviet » Wed May 12, 2010 8:16 pm

The Adrian Empire wrote:
Vesser wrote:
Inherentjoydom wrote:Our military is primarily privateized.


So, essentially, your top level commanders can be easily bribed into leaving your cause, seeing as how only money compels them to do their job?

That seems to be a common misconception, morals aren't easily bought, mercenaries work for both sides only when they don't care who wins, but you won't see Blackwater working for Osama Bin Laden just because they are paid to do so.


I don't think you'd see Xe contractors working for any Middle Eastern, Arabic or Muslin client. Ever.
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Santheres
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Postby Santheres » Thu May 13, 2010 1:26 am

The Adrian Empire wrote:
New Balkaney wrote:No, I think it's a good idea. It's best to conform to rules like this in RP settings, simply because it's somewhat rude to rock the boat when it's not welcome. I am fairly new compared to a lot of the others, so it's not my place to dictate policy and possibility to them just yet.

Hey, we've all had to make adjustments at one time or another, practically everyone wants there nation to be an unstoppable killing machine feared by all, it's [a] personification of ourselves (or egos) in most cases, so we don't want to think of it as weak as it would reflect personal weaknesses. but we need to eventually accept that we can't be 100% perfect, look for faults, invent ways to be beaten I still struggle with that. You've got plenty of time.


If the bolded is true, you (general) need to learn to be more creative and less personally invested. It will help you write and RP a good deal better.
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Postby Satirius » Thu May 13, 2010 2:33 am

Santheres wrote:
The Adrian Empire wrote:
New Balkaney wrote:No, I think it's a good idea. It's best to conform to rules like this in RP settings, simply because it's somewhat rude to rock the boat when it's not welcome. I am fairly new compared to a lot of the others, so it's not my place to dictate policy and possibility to them just yet.

Hey, we've all had to make adjustments at one time or another, practically everyone wants there nation to be an unstoppable killing machine feared by all, it's [a] personification of ourselves (or egos) in most cases, so we don't want to think of it as weak as it would reflect personal weaknesses. but we need to eventually accept that we can't be 100% perfect, look for faults, invent ways to be beaten I still struggle with that. You've got plenty of time.


If the bolded is true, you (general) need to learn to be more creative and less personally invested. It will help you write and RP a good deal better.

I think what Adrian is pointing out is the default sense of personal attachment to your nation, which most see as an extension of themselves, and you have to actively try to grow out of, which is what Adrian is trying to do.
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Postby The Adrian Empire » Thu May 13, 2010 5:26 am

Satirius wrote:
Santheres wrote:
The Adrian Empire wrote:
New Balkaney wrote:No, I think it's a good idea. It's best to conform to rules like this in RP settings, simply because it's somewhat rude to rock the boat when it's not welcome. I am fairly new compared to a lot of the others, so it's not my place to dictate policy and possibility to them just yet.

Hey, we've all had to make adjustments at one time or another, practically everyone wants there nation to be an unstoppable killing machine feared by all, it's [a] personification of ourselves (or egos) in most cases, so we don't want to think of it as weak as it would reflect personal weaknesses. but we need to eventually accept that we can't be 100% perfect, look for faults, invent ways to be beaten I still struggle with that. You've got plenty of time.


If the bolded is true, you (general) need to learn to be more creative and less personally invested. It will help you write and RP a good deal better.

I think what Adrian is pointing out is the default sense of personal attachment to your nation, which most see as an extension of themselves, and you have to actively try to grow out of, which is what Adrian is trying to do.

Precisely
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Let's call it Voluntary Government Minarchism
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Social: Authoritarian/Libertarian (-2.56)
Sibirsky wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:The Adrian Empire is God.


Oh of course. But not to the leftists.

Faith Hope Charity wrote:I would just like to take this time to say... The Adrian Empire is awesome.
First imagine the 1950's in space, add free market capitalism, aliens, orcs, elves and magic, throw in some art-deco cities, the Roman Empire and finish with the Starship Troopers' Federation
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Postby Santheres » Thu May 13, 2010 1:59 pm

The Adrian Empire wrote:
Satirius wrote:I think what Adrian is pointing out is the default sense of personal attachment to your nation, which most see as an extension of themselves, and you have to actively try to grow out of, which is what Adrian is trying to do.

Precisely


Oh, I got that. That's why I tried to make it look as though I meant it as general advice, not as criticism of you, Adrian. It was more support for your statement than anything. Looks like my wording was bad, though.
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Postby Dimoniquid » Thu May 13, 2010 2:05 pm

Gray Army wrote:4 Billion, in the Imperial Gray Military.

11.15 Billion people total, so 7.15 billion let as civilians.



Of course, since I'm a Military Dictatorship, I could fit about 1 billion more Conscripts in there, but that's just for emergencies.

And your economy!?

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Jaloria
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Postby Jaloria » Thu May 13, 2010 2:09 pm

11,678,952 solidiers
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Postby Mikedor » Thu May 13, 2010 2:13 pm

500,000
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Postby Peppersmak » Thu May 13, 2010 2:15 pm

Peppersmak does not have a standing national army or police force. These services are taken care of by private companies.

Each corporation and citizen is free to use whatever security firm and police provider they wish. There are several competing companies offering these services.

The board of directors of "The Republic of Peppersmak Inc" does hire private military security firms whenever there is a need to protect the natrual- and human resources not under protection by one of our corporations.

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Postby HuninHune » Thu May 13, 2010 2:24 pm

Our Nations Weapons Of War Are Controlled By a Server Farm Of ~15,000 Off The Shelf Workstations Running Software Made By Our Greatest Minds With 200 Men Working to Keep The Server Farm Running Correctly

These Servers Also Control Our Justice System and Making Our Countries Day To Day Policy Decisions



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Postby Old Beringia » Thu May 13, 2010 2:28 pm

Three million men and women. And we are constructing our first nuclear weapon.
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Postby Peppersmak » Thu May 13, 2010 2:34 pm

Old Beringia wrote:Three million men and women. And we are constructing our first nuclear weapon.


It is much cheaper to lease nuclear weapons. I heard from the CEO's of several of our companies that Strategic Response inc. is offering several good plans that includes various levels of nuclear capability. Why tie up a lot of capital in the development and maintance of nuclear weapons, it makes no sense.

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Postby African Supremacy » Thu May 13, 2010 2:39 pm

Every male able to stand on two feet and holding a spear is a potential warrior.

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