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Cheona
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Postby Cheona » Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:56 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
Cheona wrote:You do not even have the authority to determine our military


No, but we do have the authority to, after several people who have a good deal of experience at this trying repeatedly to explain why and how 65% of a population in the military is completely economically unfeasable and in a way godmodding only to be insulted by you... we have the right to laugh and point and to ignore anything else you do. Most experienced players try to help newer players along, to help them develop something feasable. When it becomes obvious that such help is being scorned and even actively derided? Like I said, we laugh, point and ignore until such a time as the person figures out that RPing is about the story-telling, not the number-wanking.


I'm sorry.... That's my bad :(


P.S.: But, I still should have an army, right?

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Acerik
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Postby Acerik » Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:22 am

1,380,000 serve active roles, however, due to mandatory military service from the age of 18-20 for all able men and women 61,410,000 have been trained in combat or non-combat military roles and currently serve in reserve and militia capacities.

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Anemos Major
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Postby Anemos Major » Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:26 am

Cheona wrote:
I'm sorry.... That's my bad :(


P.S.: But, I still should have an army, right?


Most people have one, yes. But exactly what do you want to do with your armed forces? Homeland defence? Power projection? I could draw you up a rudimentary ORBAT.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:52 am

Acerik wrote:1,380,000 serve active roles, however, due to mandatory military service from the age of 18-20 for all able men and women 61,410,000 have been trained in combat or non-combat military roles and currently serve in reserve and militia capacities.


80% in the reserves? Quaint figure. Especially considering, for example, the US population over the age of 18 both male and female is 74%, and 18-65 is 62%.
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Anemos Major
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Postby Anemos Major » Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:39 am

Grays Harbor wrote:
Acerik wrote:1,380,000 serve active roles, however, due to mandatory military service from the age of 18-20 for all able men and women 61,410,000 have been trained in combat or non-combat military roles and currently serve in reserve and militia capacities.


80% in the reserves? Quaint figure. Especially considering, for example, the US population over the age of 18 both male and female is 74%, and 18-65 is 62%.


That figure is unfeasible. By default, most of them would be toddlers and/or geriatrics.

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Mikedor
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Postby Mikedor » Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:02 am

Mikedor has only a Navy, with Marine Divisions and a Fleet Air Arm. This is due to it's island location.

Navy:
1 Aircraft Carrier
2 Amphibious Assault ships
10 Frigates
2 SSN's
Logistics ships.

Fleet Air Arm:
100 multi-role VTOL/STOL fighters (much improved Harrier)
20 F-22's
30 ASW helicopters
50 Sea Knight helicopters
2 AWACS aircraft

Marines:
1st Marine Divison (Expeditionary)
2nd Marine Division (Home Defence)
3rd Marine Division (Home Defence)
4th Marine Division (Coastal Defence)
5th Marine Division (Territorial)
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Anemos Major
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Postby Anemos Major » Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:38 am

Mikedor wrote:Mikedor has only a Navy, with Marine Divisions and a Fleet Air Arm. This is due to it's island location.

Navy:
1 Aircraft Carrier
2 Amphibious Assault ships
10 Frigates
2 SSN's
Logistics ships.

Fleet Air Arm:
100 multi-role VTOL/STOL fighters (much improved Harrier)
20 F-22's
30 ASW helicopters
50 Sea Knight helicopters
2 AWACS aircraft

Marines:
1st Marine Divison (Expeditionary)
2nd Marine Division (Home Defence)
3rd Marine Division (Home Defence)
4th Marine Division (Coastal Defence)
5th Marine Division (Territorial)


Marines don't have to follow the USMC pattern, y'know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troupes_de_Marine

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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:36 am

Anemos Major wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:
Acerik wrote:1,380,000 serve active roles, however, due to mandatory military service from the age of 18-20 for all able men and women 61,410,000 have been trained in combat or non-combat military roles and currently serve in reserve and militia capacities.


80% in the reserves? Quaint figure. Especially considering, for example, the US population over the age of 18 both male and female is 74%, and 18-65 is 62%.


That figure is unfeasible. By default, most of them would be toddlers and/or geriatrics.


Are you referring to Acerik's numbers, or mine? Because if it is mine, those percentages are taken right from the census data.
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Grays Harbor
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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Jun 02, 2010 5:41 am

Anemos Major wrote:
Mikedor wrote:Mikedor has only a Navy, with Marine Divisions and a Fleet Air Arm. This is due to it's island location.

Navy:
1 Aircraft Carrier
2 Amphibious Assault ships
10 Frigates
2 SSN's
Logistics ships.

Fleet Air Arm:
100 multi-role VTOL/STOL fighters (much improved Harrier)
20 F-22's
30 ASW helicopters
50 Sea Knight helicopters
2 AWACS aircraft

Marines:
1st Marine Divison (Expeditionary)
2nd Marine Division (Home Defence)
3rd Marine Division (Home Defence)
4th Marine Division (Coastal Defence)
5th Marine Division (Territorial)


Marines don't have to follow the USMC pattern, y'know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troupes_de_Marine


No, they don't, but that is something that each player ought be able to determine for themselves, what they are comfortable or familiar with. Other than that, I'd say that Mikedor has worked out a pretty reasonable TO&E there.
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Anemos Major
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Postby Anemos Major » Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:35 pm

Of course; I'm not saying that he can't; I'm simply broadening his horizons. However, I'd like to see the composition of the Marine units...

Oh, yes; try adding some Special Operations capabilities to your forces. Demolitions men and Fleet Security troops are invaluable.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:26 pm

Anemos Major wrote:Of course; I'm not saying that he can't; I'm simply broadening his horizons.


Oh, I know that. I've seen your posts before. I just kinda used/hijacked your post as a vehicle to point something out, not try and rebut you.
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Anemos Major
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Postby Anemos Major » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:28 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
Anemos Major wrote:Of course; I'm not saying that he can't; I'm simply broadening his horizons.


Oh, I know that. I've seen your posts before. I just kinda used/hijacked your post as a vehicle to point something out, not try and rebut you.


... I think rebuttal sounds better than hijacking, to be honest.

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Civie Economica
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Postby Civie Economica » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:35 pm

Civie Economica is working on building support vessels and vehicles of it's own, however it intends to rely on PMC forces to handle operations outside it's own boundaries.

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New Zepuha
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Postby New Zepuha » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:38 pm

Army:716,000
NAvy:1,432,000
Naval Infantry:716,000
Coast Guard [Disbanded]
PDF/NDF:716,000

Total:42,850,000
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Veren Commonwealths
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Postby Veren Commonwealths » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:43 pm

The Federation of Veren Commonwealths wishes to not disclose it's military forces at this point, due to national security issues.
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The Anglo-Saxon Empire
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:44 pm

New Zepuha wrote:Army:716,000
NAvy:1,432,000
Naval Infantry:716,000
Coast Guard [Disbanded]
PDF/NDF:716,000

Total:42,850,000

How do those numbers add up to 42,850,000?
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Anemos Major
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Postby Anemos Major » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:45 pm

Navy:
1 Aircraft Carrier (DMS Nouveau Brest)
2 Amphibious Assault ships (DMS Aegis)
10 Frigates (DMS Icarus, DMS Hermes, DMS Daedalus, DMS Ares, DMS Hephaestos, DMS Helios, DMS Apollo, DMS Artemis, DMS Hera, DMS Athene)
2 SSN's (DMS Acheron, DMS Styx)

Marines:
1st Marine Divison (Expeditionary): 'Dominion Vanguard'
2nd Marine Division (Home Defence): 'Unbreaking Line'
3rd Marine Division (Home Defence): 'Defiant Shield'
4th Marine Division (Coastal Defence): 'Vigilant Sentinel'
5th Marine Division (Territorial): 'People's Defence'


Something like this. I don't know too much about your nation, so I dug up what I could find. (note: This is for Mikado)

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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:49 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
New Zepuha wrote:Army:716,000
NAvy:1,432,000
Naval Infantry:716,000
Coast Guard [Disbanded]
PDF/NDF:716,000

Total:42,850,000

How do those numbers add up to 42,850,000?


Quantum reverse dynamic math, I believe. :p
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Anemos Major
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Postby Anemos Major » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:52 pm

Veren Commonwealths wrote:The Federation of Veren Commonwealths wishes to not disclose it's military forces at this point, due to national security issues.


What are you doing here, then?


The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
New Zepuha wrote:Army:716,000
NAvy:1,432,000
Naval Infantry:716,000
Coast Guard [Disbanded]
PDF/NDF:716,000

Total:42,850,000

How do those numbers add up to 42,850,000?

:eek:

What has he done!? This is nothing short of a full blown massacre of basic mathematical theory! (it's so absurd and horrendous that I feel compelled to use a smilie).

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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:56 pm

Veren Commonwealths wrote:The Federation of Veren Commonwealths wishes to not disclose it's military forces at this point, due to national security issues.


Translation: "My military is so small that if other nations knew how really weak and ill-defended we were they would have to line up and take numbers in order to invade us."
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Anemos Major
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Postby Anemos Major » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:05 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
Veren Commonwealths wrote:The Federation of Veren Commonwealths wishes to not disclose it's military forces at this point, due to national security issues.


Translation: "My military is so small that if other nations knew how really weak and ill-defended we were they would have to line up and take numbers in order to invade us."


Revised Translation: So many people took numbers, we've run out of paper for the coupons.

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Postby Santheres » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:33 pm

Veren Commonwealths wrote:The Federation of Veren Commonwealths wishes to not disclose it's military forces at this point, due to national security issues.


You realize, of course, that it is impossible to keep basic information from being disclosed. It's really not hard to find out enough to make good, simple estimates.
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Acerik
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Postby Acerik » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:35 pm

Anemos Major wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:
Acerik wrote:1,380,000 serve active roles, however, due to mandatory military service from the age of 18-20 for all able men and women 61,410,000 have been trained in combat or non-combat military roles and currently serve in reserve and militia capacities.


80% in the reserves? Quaint figure. Especially considering, for example, the US population over the age of 18 both male and female is 74%, and 18-65 is 62%.


That figure is unfeasible. By default, most of them would be toddlers and/or geriatrics.


I had thought that the population would not include young children and the elderly were included as they had been given military training when younger and thus are still on the books as potential militia. I will revise the number though.
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Postby SaintB » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:38 pm

1% of the population is the size of the active service with another 3% reserves. Since I usually Rp as nation of 340 Million thats 3.4 Million soldiers, with 10.2 Million reserves. It is estimated that in an emergency with a draft we could field up to 30 Million soldiers for a short time.
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Nuevo Leone
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Postby Nuevo Leone » Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:16 pm

Due to our population size at the moment, we only maintain a military of 80,000 troops, but they are a very disciplined, well trained, and highly funded.
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