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Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:58 pm**

Welcome to the Infantry in your Nation thread! A continuation of the Main Military Weapons thread series.

Unlike the previous series, this thread Is for the discussion of of your nations military's small arms, body armor, uniform, communications gear, and other general equipment. All tech levels are welcome, but please understand that this thread tends to be geared towards modern and post modern tech, so designs operating on unobtainium or other FT wankery are bound to be criticized from a realistic perspective. If having your designs evaluated for a realistic perspective does not appeal to you, it is advisable you do not post here. There is nothing wrong with past-tech, fantasy tech, or any other non-modern technology based nation posting a design, and you are welcome to post here, but be prepared for the inevitable "That won't work because..." post. These are not meant to offend you, they are meant to teach you. If you do not requirement enlightenment, simply leave it alone.

If you do post a design here, you agree that it will be criticized by the denizens of this thread. You are under no obligation to change the design based on this criticism, but continuing to argue in the face of facts will not bode well for you. Further, if you do not know, ask. If someone asks and you do not know the answer, don't respond. Speak on subjects you know, don't attempt to bullshit. Finally, there are plenty of people in this thread, both new and old, who have knowledge regarding a vast array of military technologies, try to learn from them Dispute if you will, but be prepared to use facts to back up your claims.

"Because it's magic" "I'm FT lawl" and "because I say so" are not valid arguments. Posters, if a player makes aid argument, drop it. These and other non-answers demonstrate that the poster has no desire to learn, therefore, you can not teach.

please avoid excessive posting of vehicles, regardless of their affect on infantry deployment, this is n infantry thread first and foremost, we have vehicle and aircraft threads for those.
The below is a sort of re-hask, tl;dr of the above.

House rules (would you kindly read these)

~ Originally by Risen Britannia, modified by Transnapastain.

1: Read the OP. As you can probably guess from the title this thread has been round a while, the OP contains all allot some of the knowledge gained from previous iterations.

2: By posting you are accepting that they WILL be criticized, however it is up to you whether you listen (though you aren't going to make friends if you don't.

3: Be civil, site rules still apply. Due to past incidents we have Mods (Transnapastain) who is a regular here.

4: Whilst not encouraged off topic posts are allowed to an extent, EG you wont get a warning if you post a jet or tank etc... Just remember this thread is for infantry equipment, including but not limited to small arms, armor and uniforms.

5: While the F&NI sub forum is in-character, most posts in technology discussions threads are OOC in nature. IC statements can be made but are not the norm and may not be read as in character.

6: Excepting page topping "gun porn", large images will be placed in spoilers. "Large" will be determined by moderation. If you are asked to place image sin spoilers, please do so.

8: Be extra nice to Transnapastain

9: No feeding the trolls

10: Respect is earned, and your post probably isn't as funny as you think it is.

GOLDEN RULE
Do not talk about politics, I don''t care if you were just replying to someone, don't do it!

DO NOT DISCUSS POLITICS!
Any form of gun control discussion is not allowed here, take that to general.

A few useful links for the sake of the thread.
Information on the "AK-47" and family courtesy of Spreewerke
more "AK-47" infromation from Spreewerke
Information on Body armor From Puzikas
Information on Submachine guns, also from Puzikas
why the 5.45X39 SKS doesn't exist, from Puzikas

MMW, the inspiration for this thread
MMW Part 12
MMW R11
MMW A10
MMW Type-09
MMW Pattern VIII
MMW MOD-7
MMW Mk VI
MMW Mk V
MMW Mk IV
MMW MkII (Pt2)
MMW MkIII
MMW MkII
MMW
link to the NS Infantry IRC (not managed by me nor do I have anything to do with it.)
Look here for updates in the near future.
Have fun.

This OP originally by Black Hand, modified by Transnapastain.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:43 pm**

The main military firearm of Transnapastain is the M-12 MCR, which, in reality, is a not-so-modified XM-8, firing 6.8 SPC.....because I'm not really playing with Trans anymore...this is kinda pointless.

However, there is a large amount of information on the People's Army of Costa Mejis located here, including force organization, work in progress, and equipment.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:43 pm**

Hmm, the Main Infantry Thread?

Armed Forces info: http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Republic_of_Lanos_Armed_Forces

I'll get to work on figuring out what Lanosian infantrymen carry and such in a list but here's some Innawoods things to oogle at:
Rifleman:
http://bit.ly/1aFm7jx
Anti-tank:
http://bit.ly/1bapumc
MG Gunner:
http://bit.ly/1aFoK50
Marksman:
http://bit.ly/1aFpUNM
Medic:
http://bit.ly/1aFr6Rk
Grenadier:
http://bit.ly/1aFsmUB
Officer:
http://bit.ly/1aFsXps

If you notice glitches, it's the site doing that when rendering.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:43 pm**

According to acts of parliament, only persons with knighthoods have the right to a silver-coated armour (14th Century.)

This armour is lined with a padding inside to provide extra comfort, and wool if necessary in winter.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:46 pm**

I'm not a great artist, but I found these uniform templates (and I forgot where). These uniforms were chosen for their abilities to blend into our local environment (Temperate forest, Southwestern desert, Snowy mountains, and urban).

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:49 pm**

The UKMA has for a uniform, the SRPA Black Ops uniform from Resistance.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:50 pm**

And with that one stroke the volumes of MMW which had graced the boards of NS for Thirteen incarnations, died without so much as a whisper. And through it all, the only thing that could be thought was 'Nick why have thou forsaken us?'
Armor:

Rifle:

Pistol:

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:51 pm**

Can someone put the image of the SRPA Black Ops here, because i can't post pictures.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:52 pm**

So... Let me get this right.

Fantasy and FT nations are welcome to post our stuff.

Until we actually post at which point we get bitched out the door and can't defend ourselves?

Great policy...

The Imperial Esto-Alisonian Army concentrates itself around infantry forces and makes heavier use of mobile foot-troops than any other form of ground-force in its campaign. Its equipment ranges from the indigenous FM-91 7.5mm Assault Rifle to the Ostrov 7.5mm heavy machine gun to Californian designed "Javelin" anti-tank guided missiles; though primarily the Imperial Army is dedicated to the utilization of the bayonet and swordsmanship in warfare. Uniforms are a khaki-drab not dissimilar to the British No.2 Service Dress. Communications can range from complex radios to message-runners who by a large majority are more common. In addition to this, there are several million magicians in the Imperial Army of varying skills and branches of magic who utilize their craft in warfare, from fire to lightning and so on. Eventually, I'll compile a list of their equipment when I finish designing all of it.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:55 pm**

Estainia wrote:So... Let me get this right.

Fantasy and FT nations are welcome to post our stuff.

Until we actually post at which point we get bitched out the door and can't defend ourselves?

Great policy...

The Imperial Esto-Alisonian Army concentrates itself around infantry forces and makes heavier use of mobile foot-troops than any other form of ground-force in its campaign. Its equipment ranges from the indigenous FM-91 7.5mm Assault Rifle to the Ostrov 7.5mm heavy machine gun to Californian designed "Javelin" anti-tank guided missiles; though primarily the Imperial Army is dedicated to the utilization of the bayonet and swordsmanship in warfare. Uniforms are a khaki-drab not dissimilar to the British No.2 Service Dress. Communications can range from complex radios to message-runners who by a large majority are more common. In addition to this, there are several million magicians in the Imperial Army of varying skills and branches of magic who utilize their craft in warfare, from fire to lightning and so on. Eventually, I'll compile a list of their equipment when I finish designing all of it.

More like, if you use the fact that you're FT or FanT to justify something that breaks the laws of physics/is mechanically impossible, then your argument doesn't hold as much weight.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:56 pm**

Basically, the uniform of the UKMA is the SRPA black ops.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:00 pm**

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Estainia wrote:So... Let me get this right.

Fantasy and FT nations are welcome to post our stuff.

Until we actually post at which point we get bitched out the door and can't defend ourselves?

Great policy...

The Imperial Esto-Alisonian Army concentrates itself around infantry forces and makes heavier use of mobile foot-troops than any other form of ground-force in its campaign. Its equipment ranges from the indigenous FM-91 7.5mm Assault Rifle to the Ostrov 7.5mm heavy machine gun to Californian designed "Javelin" anti-tank guided missiles; though primarily the Imperial Army is dedicated to the utilization of the bayonet and swordsmanship in warfare. Uniforms are a khaki-drab not dissimilar to the British No.2 Service Dress. Communications can range from complex radios to message-runners who by a large majority are more common. In addition to this, there are several million magicians in the Imperial Army of varying skills and branches of magic who utilize their craft in warfare, from fire to lightning and so on. Eventually, I'll compile a list of their equipment when I finish designing all of it.

More like, if you use the fact that you're FT or FanT to justify something that breaks the laws of physics/is mechanically impossible, then your argument doesn't hold as much weight.

Pretty much this, so very hard to explain.

Things are going to get looked at from a realistic standpoint, because that's the common measuring stick we all have. Its totally cool if a nation uses magic or other fantasy devices, and thats what makes their gadgets go. The problem comes in when a poster who wants to use "fantasy" and "magic" to be better than everyone else comes in, post their things, and begins trying shout down logic by say "nuuuuu, it works because majiks, no shut up and surrender!"

The problem is not in the fantasy, its in the players who abuse fantasy to be "better"

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:03 pm**

Transnapastain wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
More like, if you use the fact that you're FT or FanT to justify something that breaks the laws of physics/is mechanically impossible, then your argument doesn't hold as much weight.

Pretty much this, so very hard to explain.

Things are going to get looked at from a realistic standpoint, because that's the common measuring stick we all have. Its totally cool if a nation uses magic or other fantasy devices, and thats what makes their gadgets go. The problem comes in when a poster who wants to use "fantasy" and "magic" to be better than everyone else comes in, post their things, and begins trying shout down logic by say "nuuuuu, it works because majiks, no shut up and surrender!"

The problem is not in the fantasy, its in the players who abuse fantasy to be "better"

Those types... *shudder*... Duly noted, carry on.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:03 pm**

PMT

Body Armour

A ceramic shell with several layers, heat and shock reduction gel layer to help reduce velocity and felt shock from ballistics, shrapnel, and explosives and kinetic padding

Helmet

Dual layer of fabric armor and kinetic padding, heat and shock reduction gel within a lightweight ablative ceramic shell. Comes standard with a suite of communication, navigation, and battlefield awareness software.

Do i need anything side names ?

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:05 pm**

Marsisian wrote:Basically, the uniform of the UKMA is the SRPA black ops.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:07 pm**

Coltarin wrote:
Marsisian wrote:Basically, the uniform of the UKMA is the SRPA black ops.

Thank you Colt.

Marsisian, please explain to me, without using rule of cool, why you believe it is a good idea, or why you feel it is necessary, to keep you troops in full face masks at all times

Have you ever worn a gasmak?

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:07 pm**

Coltarin wrote:
Marsisian wrote:Basically, the uniform of the UKMA is the SRPA black ops.

That's the one.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:08 pm**

Transnapastain wrote:
Coltarin wrote:

Thank you Colt.

Marsisian, please explain to me, without using rule of cool, why you believe it is a good idea, or why you feel it is necessary, to keep you troops in full face masks at all times

Have you ever worn a gasmak?

These troops actually were in an Alien Invasion so......

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:11 pm**

Can I have a little more detail?

Ignoring their absolutely retarded tactics, these troops were in an alien invasion

and so were they

You'll note they aren't in full facemasks.

Are you telling me your forces operate in an environment hostile to them all the time?

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:15 pm**

Transnapastain wrote:Can I have a little more detail?

Ignoring their absolutely retarded tactics, these troops were in an alien invasion

and so were they

You'll note they aren't in full facemasks.

Are you telling me your forces operate in an environment hostile to them all the time?

Resistance, Chimera, they can be infected with the Chimeran Virus, or Spinners, or Cocoons, they can be infected a lot of ways, this uniform is to make sure it doesn't happen. U.S army rangers in York, in 1951 got infected due to Crawlers entering their nose, mouth, eyes, etc.
Check out the Resistance Wiki and search "Black Ops" or "Chimera".

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:16 pm**

What's up with the Skier's with Machine Guns?
I can finally say I've been to MIT XD.

Main weapon is the MK3 Battle Rifle, Main Infantry unit are Power armored Soldiers Usually Dragons and Bear's with Humans following up in supporting positions

In suites based off of this Mk IV Platform.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:16 pm**

Marsisian wrote:
Transnapastain wrote:Can I have a little more detail?

Ignoring their absolutely retarded tactics, these troops were in an alien invasion

and so were they

You'll note they aren't in full facemasks.

Are you telling me your forces operate in an environment hostile to them all the time?

Resistance, Chimera, they can be infected with the Chimeran Virus, or Spinners, or Cocoons, they can be infected a lot of ways, this uniform is to make sure it doesn't happen. U.S army rangers in York, in 1951 got infected due to Crawlers entering their nose, mouth, eyes, etc.

... as someone based on science-fantasy... Biology says no?

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:17 pm**

Sedik Infantry during military training earlier this year.

The Sedik military currently uses the FN F2000 as our main military rifle. This along with the KelTec RFB and the SIG Sauer P226 are all our new standard issue weapons after 2007 when they replaced the G36, M14, and Glock 21. The former standard issue weapons have all been sent to surplus and or reserves. The SKS was revised and issued as the SKS EBS during our nations involvement in the Soviet Civil War.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:18 pm**

MMW
2009-2013

"Maybe I didn`t treat you. Quite as good as I should have.
Maybe I didn’t love you. Quite as often as I could have.
Little Things I should have said and done.
I just never took the time.

You were always on my mind"

But anyway, moving on:

The Armed Forces of the Commonwealth of Tule currently issues the 7x43mm R80-S rifle as its main service weapon.

Posted: **Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:25 pm**

The AB-93 is based on the AK series of rifles. Standard issue to all troops.

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