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Black Hand wrote:

The Nuclear Fist wrote:So in the Military Realism thread (or was it this one?) a couple people talked to me about ricin bullets. I think Goddess Sen even mentioned having hollowpoint incendiary rounds with the ricin inside the bullet reservoir (or whatever the empty chamber thing is called). Apparently a single round could potentially hold a lethal dose of ricin.

So, hollowpoint ricin bullets, y/n?

Arsenic.
it'll be easier.

Is there even any point to having Arsenic bullets? My guess is it would be too expensive to use and would endanger your own soldiers for no real advantage. It would probably leave quite the nasty mess wherever the bullets hit too.

Fordorsia wrote:

Black Hand wrote:Arsenic.
it'll be easier.

Is there even any point to having Arsenic bullets? My guess is it would be too expensive to use and would endanger your own soldiers for no real advantage. It would probably leave quite the nasty mess wherever the bullets hit too.

Yeah, it doesn't sound like a great idea, especially if there was an incidence of friendly fire or civilians being hit by stray rounds.

The Nuclear Fist wrote:So in the Military Realism thread (or was it this one?) a couple people talked to me about ricin bullets. I think Goddess Sen even mentioned having hollowpoint incendiary rounds with the ricin inside the bullet reservoir (or whatever the empty chamber thing is called). Apparently a single round could potentially hold a lethal dose of ricin.

So, hollowpoint ricin bullets, y/n?

No.

Ricin is difficult to manufacture and, while lethal, is just totally pointless with the advent of shooting people.

However, Georgi Markov was assassinated in the United Kingdom by the 5th Directorate of the Bulgarian Komitet za darzhavna sigurnost (Committee for State Security) using an umbrella rigged to fire a small diameter payload pellet containing Ricin into his leg at a muzzle velocity of about 300 m/s with a CO2 charge. The also attempted this on Vladimir Kostov, another journalist living in Paris. Outside that and being really cool on Breaking Bad, Ricin is really a very touchy and difficult thing to work with. Its highly lethal, so much so that inhaling it or getting it on your skin is considered a hazard. Even in full CBRN Gear, Ricin is insanely dangerous. It also is extremely difficult to solidify, so much so that the pellet the Bulgarians used didn't even have solid-state, packed Ricin, but rather a powdered form encapsulated in a pellet that would break down in his system.

For reference: A does of 1.496Mg of Ricin is considered lethal to an adult human weighing 68kg (formula: .001(22*x)=Mass, in mg, required to kill human, where X= weight of human in kilograms). The Bulgarians Ricin payload was, IIRC, 4.0mg

I really am not doing myself any favors getting off the watch lists by talking about how I know this stuff.

Kouralia wrote:*Insert Puzikas Hipster Orgy Quote Here*

What, you dont have it copy-and-pasted into a file pinned to your task bar at all times by now like me?

Puzikas wrote:The more I think about it the more I realize everyone here is a giant fucking hipster.

This thread is a hipster orgy.

In this case I am the hipster. Like I said: Everyone is a hipster.

Black Hand wrote:

The Nuclear Fist wrote:So in the Military Realism thread (or was it this one?) a couple people talked to me about ricin bullets. I think Goddess Sen even mentioned having hollowpoint incendiary rounds with the ricin inside the bullet reservoir (or whatever the empty chamber thing is called). Apparently a single round could potentially hold a lethal dose of ricin.

So, hollowpoint ricin bullets, y/n?

Arsenic.
it'll be easier.

Asbestos, imagine the health and safety the other side will have to enforce.

Puzikas wrote:I really am not doing myself any favors getting off the watch lists by talking about how I know this stuff.

This is a forum where a bunch of us have talked about our knowledge to create and use explosives and firearms. Not to mention sundry other things that probably don't help any of us when it comes to watch lists. Embrace it and hope that they don't actually do anything about us crazies.

Puzikas wrote:

The Nuclear Fist wrote:So in the Military Realism thread (or was it this one?) a couple people talked to me about ricin bullets. I think Goddess Sen even mentioned having hollowpoint incendiary rounds with the ricin inside the bullet reservoir (or whatever the empty chamber thing is called). Apparently a single round could potentially hold a lethal dose of ricin.

So, hollowpoint ricin bullets, y/n?

No.

Ricin is difficult to manufacture and, while lethal, is just totally pointless with the advent of shooting people.

However, Georgi Markov was assassinated in the United Kingdom by the 5th Directorate of the Bulgarian Komitet za darzhavna sigurnost (Committee for State Security) using an umbrella rigged to fire a small diameter payload pellet containing Ricin into his leg at a muzzle velocity of about 300 m/s with a CO2 charge. The also attempted this on Vladimir Kostov, another journalist living in Paris. Outside that and being really cool on Breaking Bad, Ricin is really a very touchy and difficult thing to work with. Its highly lethal, so much so that inhaling it or getting it on your skin is considered a hazard. Even in full CBRN Gear, Ricin is insanely dangerous. It also is extremely difficult to solidify, so much so that the pellet the Bulgarians used didn't even have solid-state, packed Ricin, but rather a powdered form encapsulated in a pellet that would break down in his system

This.
Plus the fact that as a metal arsenic would be easier to work with. I Use arsenic casings on certain explosive munitions to poison soil. And it might work for other purposes

Black Hand wrote:

Puzikas wrote:
No.

Ricin is difficult to manufacture and, while lethal, is just totally pointless with the advent of shooting people.

However, Georgi Markov was assassinated in the United Kingdom by the 5th Directorate of the Bulgarian Komitet za darzhavna sigurnost (Committee for State Security) using an umbrella rigged to fire a small diameter payload pellet containing Ricin into his leg at a muzzle velocity of about 300 m/s with a CO2 charge. The also attempted this on Vladimir Kostov, another journalist living in Paris. Outside that and being really cool on Breaking Bad, Ricin is really a very touchy and difficult thing to work with. Its highly lethal, so much so that inhaling it or getting it on your skin is considered a hazard. Even in full CBRN Gear, Ricin is insanely dangerous. It also is extremely difficult to solidify, so much so that the pellet the Bulgarians used didn't even have solid-state, packed Ricin, but rather a powdered form encapsulated in a pellet that would break down in his system

This.
Plus the fact that as a metal arsenic would be easier to work with. I Use arsenic casings on certain explosive munitions to poison soil. And it might work for other purposes

poison bullets are stupid. The only poisoning your target should die from is lead poisoning.

Coltarin wrote:

Black Hand wrote:
This.
Plus the fact that as a metal arsenic would be easier to work with. I Use arsenic casings on certain explosive munitions to poison soil. And it might work for other purposes

poison bullets are stupid. The only poisoning your target should die from is lead poisoning.

never said it was a good idea, i simply have a arsenic fragmentation liner on select aerial munitions, he wants poison bullets, so I gave him a better way.

on the topic of ammunition magnesium cored, API rounds to lighten the weight and possibly and some way add to the incendiary effects. and how hot do mortar tubes get? and what would be better aluminium or magnesium ones?

Austrattian Soldats are fitted with a traditional WW1-WW2 era designed armor with many enhancements. More protection, light weight, protection from all environments, etc.

A traditional Ausstratian Exercitum Korps soldat


Their equipment may come in varieties but is mostly limited due to the large engagement of trench warfare they specialize in.

Equipment Diagram (Exercitum Korps)


Equipment Diagram (Ingeniarius Korps)


Squad Uniforms



Before a battle, the Ingeniarius Korps plots out a battle map, to provide the commander or troops with as an aid

Battle Map (From Operation: Apollo, I'm Burning)

Black Hand wrote:

Coltarin wrote:poison bullets are stupid. The only poisoning your target should die from is lead poisoning.

never said it was a good idea, i simply have a arsenic fragmentation liner on select aerial munitions, he wants poison bullets, so I gave him a better way.

on the topic of ammunition magnesium cored, API rounds to lighten the weight and possibly and some way add to the incendiary effects. and how hot do mortar tubes get? and what would be better aluminium or magnesium ones?

Isn't magnesium more of a fire hazard or something?

That said, I'd go for aluminum.

Cupronickel bullets ftw

Bezombia wrote:Cupronickel bullets ftw

Very useful for those who store their ammunition in seawater.

Fordorsia wrote:

Bezombia wrote:Cupronickel bullets ftw

Very useful for those who store their ammunition in seawater.

And the japanese. Apparently the first loadings of 6.8 Arisaka used cupronickel bullets.

Bezombia wrote:

Fordorsia wrote:
Very useful for those who store their ammunition in seawater.

And the japanese. Apparently the first loadings of 6.8 Arisaka used cupronickel bullets.

That's because they are surrounded by the sea.

Fordorsia wrote:

Bezombia wrote:
And the japanese. Apparently the first loadings of 6.8 Arisaka used cupronickel bullets.

That's because they are surrounded by the sea.

Aren't we all?
Well the the metaphorical sense.

Bezombia wrote:

Fordorsia wrote:
That's because they are surrounded by the sea.

Aren't we all?
Well the the metaphorical sense.

The Japanese Mainland is 200-something kilometers at it's widest. Most of it's air is sea air.

It's not like they had the best storage facilities during WWII anyway.

Central and Eastern Visayas wrote:

Black Hand wrote:never said it was a good idea, i simply have a arsenic fragmentation liner on select aerial munitions, he wants poison bullets, so I gave him a better way.

on the topic of ammunition magnesium cored, API rounds to lighten the weight and possibly and some way add to the incendiary effects. and how hot do mortar tubes get? and what would be better aluminium or magnesium ones?

Isn't magnesium more of a fire hazard or something?

That said, I'd go for aluminum.

I wouldn't use aluminum for anything that launches a projectile. There is a reason why the AR-15 has a steel barrel and chamber.

All this talk of Japanese service cartridges in the second world war has got me thinking.

would a modernized (read: better bullets & powders, very little other changes) 7.7x58 make for a good modern not308 Winchester cartridge?

Bezombia wrote:All this talk of Japanese service cartridges in the second world war has got me thinking.

would a modernized (read: better bullets & powders, very little other changes) 7.7x58 make for a good modern not308 Winchester cartridge?

What's wrong with using 7.62mm NATO anyways?

Spreewerke wrote:

The Nuclear Fist wrote:There are three things to consider here, though: Is arsenic cheaper to manufacture, is it easier to handle, and is it deadlier/at least as deadly?

I figure if the answers to two of those questions are 'yes', then I'd go with that. Ricin doesn't absorb through the skin well, so accidental overexposure to ricin can be kept at a minimum through changing clothes regularly and wearing gloves. It is also cheap to manufacture and has been for decades, and the amount of ricin one can put in a bullet is more than enough to kill.

You're aware that just inhaling a minute dose of ricin is lethal, right?

Yes. That's why it's inside the bullet.

The Republic of Lanos wrote:

Bezombia wrote:All this talk of Japanese service cartridges in the second world war has got me thinking.

would a modernized (read: better bullets & powders, very little other changes) 7.7x58 make for a good modern not308 Winchester cartridge?

What's wrong with using 7.62mm NATO anyways?

The only thing wrong with using 7.62x51mm is not using 7.65x50mm.

The Nuclear Fist wrote:

Spreewerke wrote:
You're aware that just inhaling a minute dose of ricin is lethal, right?

Yes. That's why it's inside the bullet.

Anything that can kill you, will kill you. If it can kill you and those around you that quickly with the very smallest of mistakes, don't use it.

Fordorsia wrote:

The Republic of Lanos wrote:What's wrong with using 7.62mm NATO anyways?

The only thing wrong with using 7.62x51mm is not using 7.65x50mm.

The hell?

The Republic of Lanos wrote:

Bezombia wrote:All this talk of Japanese service cartridges in the second world war has got me thinking.

would a modernized (read: better bullets & powders, very little other changes) 7.7x58 make for a good modern not308 Winchester cartridge?

What's wrong with using 7.62mm NATO anyways?

Well, nothing, but it's always good to have competition right?
And wouldn't it theoretically perform better, with a larger case capacity?

Bezombia wrote:

The Republic of Lanos wrote:What's wrong with using 7.62mm NATO anyways?

Well, nothing, but it's always good to have competition right?
And wouldn't it theoretically perform better, with a larger case capacity?

At the cost of recoil, no.

The Republic of Lanos wrote:

Fordorsia wrote:
The only thing wrong with using 7.62x51mm is not using 7.65x50mm.

The hell?

I don't know. Ignore.

Actually, that reminds me. I'm going to go fiddle with that calculator thing of ballistics and see how my cartridge does. Anyone got a link?