NS Infantry discussion thread

[The Republic of Lanos]

On the company level, what would a GPMG squad composition look like?

Machine gunner
Assistant
Ammo bearer/rifleman
Ammo bearer/rifleman

[The Nuclear Fist]

On the company level, what would a GPMG squad composition look like?

Machine gunner
Assistant
Ammo bearer/rifleman
Ammo bearer/rifleman

Only four men? I couldn't feasibly bump that up to eight?

[The Republic of Lanos]

Machine gunner
Assistant
Ammo bearer/rifleman
Ammo bearer/rifleman

Only four men? I couldn't feasibly bump that up to eight?

You could but usually GMPGs are operated on a fireteam level.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Only four men? I couldn't feasibly bump that up to eight?

You could but usually GMPGs are operated on a fireteam level.

Well, fireteams (or cells, in my military) already have an automatic rifleman. I was confused, I meant HMG. Should I put an HMG squad in at company level?

[Puzikas]

I found something terrible.

(Image)

5.56mm Folded and 5.56mm Hughes Lockless.

I have a wealth of information along with them (Thanks, .ru gun fourms), and ill make an effort to comb though it and pick out the bits that might interest you.

You just found out about those?

Somebody doesn't read Anthony Williams.

Nope and nope. I dont spend all day trawling the internet looking for the most hipster and oddball things around, but when I do I learn everything I can, take notes, present notes, then forget about it.

Though I invite you to tell me what you know. So far what I have is it has a packing area of about 29.5% less than standard 5.56x45mm NATO which seems to be the root of the project, operated at a lower pressure and offered similar ballistics and effectiveness as 5.56, being only slightly slower at lower operating pressure (3150feet/second@44100PSI vs 3224fps@46125 PSI).

[The Nuclear Fist]

So at company level, I've got this so far:

HQ:

1x Company Chief w/radiotelephone
1x Company Assistant w/radiotelephone
1x Provisions Commissar (Equivalent of Quartermaster)
1x Forward Observation Commander w/radiotelephone
2x Medics w/radiotelephone

3x 52-man platoons
1x anti-tank squad
1x HMG squad
1x Sniper team

Does that sound alright?

[Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen]

You just found out about those?

Somebody doesn't read Anthony Williams.

Nope and nope. I dont spend all day trawling the internet looking for the most hipster and oddball things around, but when I do I learn everything I can, take notes, present notes, then forget about it.

Though I invite you to tell me what you know. So far what I have is it has a packing area of about 29.5% less than standard 5.56x45mm NATO which seems to be the root of the project, operated at a lower pressure and offered similar ballistics and effectiveness as 5.56, being only slightly slower at lower operating pressure (3150feet/second@44100PSI vs 3224fps@46125 PSI).

Tony Williams' site - Guy's an editor of the ammunition-related Jane's publications and knows pretty much everything there is to know about ammo. Has a ton of articles and essays online about a wide variety of ammunition-related topics.

Hughes Lockless and the folding ammo were both developed with the aim of minimizing firearm length; in the Lockless' case, it allowed a very simple action. The Lockless also had flechette and duplex loads developed for it, like seemingly every other cartridge the military was looking into at that time.

[Puzikas]

Nope and nope. I dont spend all day trawling the internet looking for the most hipster and oddball things around, but when I do I learn everything I can, take notes, present notes, then forget about it.

Though I invite you to tell me what you know. So far what I have is it has a packing area of about 29.5% less than standard 5.56x45mm NATO which seems to be the root of the project, operated at a lower pressure and offered similar ballistics and effectiveness as 5.56, being only slightly slower at lower operating pressure (3150feet/second@44100PSI vs 3224fps@46125 PSI).

Tony Williams' site - Guy's an editor of the ammunition-related Jane's publications and knows pretty much everything there is to know about ammo. Has a ton of articles and essays online about a wide variety of ammunition-related topics.

Hughes Lockless and the folding ammo were both developed with the aim of minimizing firearm length; in the Lockless' case, it allowed a very simple action. The Lockless also had flechette and duplex loads developed for it, like seemingly every other cartridge the military was looking into at that time.

Ah, him. Ive read things from his sight. Reverse image search of the photo took me there, in addition to a number of other articles I have read from him, just dont read it often.

Those things I also learned from the information at hand.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Company Composition:

HQ:

1x Company Chief
1x Company Chief Adjutant
1x Provisions Commissar (Quartermaster equivalent)
2x Medics
1x Forward Observation Commander

3x 52-man platoons
1x 12-man anti-tank squad
1x 2-man sniper team

Total number of men: 176

Composition.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

On the company level, what would a GPMG squad composition look like?

Machine gunner
Assistant
Ammo bearer/rifleman
Ammo bearer/rifleman

?? i'm pretty sure a 2-man team will suffice for GPMGs. This is the first time I'm hearing of a 4-man GPMG team.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

is that blowback or recoil operated?

Kinda off topic, but how does this autocannon lineup sound?

They're intended for both ground work and AA, the heavier ones being mostly for naval use. I'd like ( at least for the lighter calibers ) to have gas operation that can be turned off ( so you can also use them externally powered ) .

15.5x115mm
25x137mm
35x228mm
45x410mm

..and Oto 76.2x900mm

Maybe also some 55mm, 65mm and 85mm for naval use?

Whatever happened to the ARES 75mm CTA?

Pick one out of your 35/45mm rounds, they will both be doing pretty much the same thing. Unless of course its different rounds in different services or a result of buying a hodge podge of weapons systems.

This goes doubly so if you are thinking of a 55/57/60mm round.

next worth while step up from that is 85-100mm

possibly you migth want to go 35mm-50mm-75mm.

of coruse this only really applies if going for a hyper rationalised choice of calibres

I have a fuckhuge military anyways. The ironic part is that I'm normally obsessed with standardization but for ACs I feel a compulsive need for a large range of them.

The reason I wanted something intermediate between 45mm and 75mm are 60mm HVMS and 75mm ARES CTA ; given the lolhueg amount of armor on nstanks, I was hoping AFVs with heavy ACs in the 45-75mm range could be used against nstanks' side or rear armor.

[Gallia-]

I found something terrible.

(Image)

5.56mm Folded and 5.56mm Hughes Lockless.

I have a wealth of information along with them (Thanks, .ru gun fourms), and ill make an effort to comb though it and pick out the bits that might interest you.

How mainstream.

[Purpelia]

Machine gunner
Assistant
Ammo bearer/rifleman
Ammo bearer/rifleman

?? i'm pretty sure a 2-man team will suffice for GPMGs. This is the first time I'm hearing of a 4-man GPMG team.

It depends on what you want to do with them. A GMPG can operate with only two men if your primary role for it is as a light machine gun that some times has to also use a tripod, but not very often. As in, the type deployment you would expect on the squad or platoon level. On the other hand, if you want to use it as a lighter and thus more mobile HMG than you need a proper 4-5 man team. After all, you have to get someone to lug the very heavy tripod and extra ammo around. And no, vehicles won't do.

[Immoren]

On the company level, what would a GPMG squad composition look like?

Squad leader
Squad 2iC
4xMachine gun team

Team leader
Machine gunner
Machiner gunner's assistant

[Lemanrussland]

Machine gunner
Assistant
Ammo bearer/rifleman
Ammo bearer/rifleman

?? i'm pretty sure a 2-man team will suffice for GPMGs. This is the first time I'm hearing of a 4-man GPMG team.

Typically what you see are 2 or 3 man teams. Gunner, assistant gunner, and ammo bearer are the most common positions.

Occasionally, you can have 4 man teams, like the Germans had in their standard rifle squad organization in WWII, which had a gunner, assistant, ammo bearer and observer. However, it should be said that the distinction between the rifle team and machinegun team in the German gruppe was often not really there in practice. Usually, everyone helped carry ammo for the machinegun, protected it, spotted for it, and helped it manuever from position to position.

Their rifle squads were really often oversized MG teams, as the MG was the primary weapon and all of their tactics revolved around it.

[Crookfur]

You just found out about those?

Somebody doesn't read Anthony Williams.

Nope and nope. I dont spend all day trawling the internet looking for the most hipster and oddball things around, but when I do I learn everything I can, take notes, present notes, then forget about it.

Though I invite you to tell me what you know. So far what I have is it has a packing area of about 29.5% less than standard 5.56x45mm NATO which seems to be the root of the project, operated at a lower pressure and offered similar ballistics and effectiveness as 5.56, being only slightly slower at lower operating pressure (3150feet/second@44100PSI vs 3224fps@46125 PSI).

IIRC Aquiz linked this paper on folded ammo in one of the ol' MMW threads although its contents will likely have been posted where you found out about the ammo:
google link as i'm crap and can't get the direct dtic link to work
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j& ... 8011,d.ZGU

I do love the wide range of stuff they did with the folded ammo concept.

[Crookfur]

Pick one out of your 35/45mm rounds, they will both be doing pretty much the same thing. Unless of course its different rounds in different services or a result of buying a hodge podge of weapons systems.

This goes doubly so if you are thinking of a 55/57/60mm round.

next worth while step up from that is 85-100mm

possibly you migth want to go 35mm-50mm-75mm.

of coruse this only really applies if going for a hyper rationalised choice of calibres

I have a fuckhuge military anyways. The ironic part is that I'm normally obsessed with standardization but for ACs I feel a compulsive need for a large range of them.

The reason I wanted something intermediate between 45mm and 75mm are 60mm HVMS and 75mm ARES CTA ; given the lolhueg amount of armor on nstanks, I was hoping AFVs with heavy ACs in the 45-75mm range could be used against nstanks' side or rear armor.

APFSDS from rounds like 40mm L70, 40mm CTA and 40/50mm Super shot will reliably do the job on side armour thats within the range of feasible rather than sheer outirhgt wankage. A 57mm/60mm cannon round is of course a nice thing to have particularly if things are getting into the silly zone and 75mm/3" is one of those nice calibre sweet spots that crop up.

[United states of brazilian nations]

So I use a high BC spitzer in a slightly longer case.

NO, YOU USE 7.92x57mm IS AND CALL RIFLE PERFECT INVENTION FROM FATHERLAND.

Breaking news: The estimated leading cause of death is dying.
Can I into thread-hijack?

that is siggable.

anyways, my neurons are killing me right now; i've heard of this folding ammunition thing before, but could never understand how it worked/how could it ever be fed.

[The Nuclear Fist]

So in the Military Realism thread (or was it this one?) a couple people talked to me about ricin bullets. I think Goddess Sen even mentioned having hollowpoint incendiary rounds with the ricin inside the bullet reservoir (or whatever the empty chamber thing is called). Apparently a single round could potentially hold a lethal dose of ricin.

So, hollowpoint ricin bullets, y/n?

[Ea90]

I found something terrible.

(Image)

5.56mm Folded and 5.56mm Hughes Lockless.

I have a wealth of information along with them (Thanks, .ru gun fourms), and ill make an effort to comb though it and pick out the bits that might interest you.

How mainstream.

:hipstergalla:

[Fordorsia]

How mainstream.

:hipstergalla:

*Galla

[Black Hand]

So in the Military Realism thread (or was it this one?) a couple people talked to me about ricin bullets. I think Goddess Sen even mentioned having hollowpoint incendiary rounds with the ricin inside the bullet reservoir (or whatever the empty chamber thing is called). Apparently a single round could potentially hold a lethal dose of ricin.

So, hollowpoint ricin bullets, y/n?

Arsenic.
it'll be easier.

[The Nuclear Fist]

So in the Military Realism thread (or was it this one?) a couple people talked to me about ricin bullets. I think Goddess Sen even mentioned having hollowpoint incendiary rounds with the ricin inside the bullet reservoir (or whatever the empty chamber thing is called). Apparently a single round could potentially hold a lethal dose of ricin.

So, hollowpoint ricin bullets, y/n?

Arsenic.
it'll be easier.

There are three things to consider here, though: Is arsenic cheaper to manufacture, is it easier to handle, and is it deadlier/at least as deadly?

I figure if the answers to two of those questions are 'yes', then I'd go with that. Ricin doesn't absorb through the skin well, so accidental overexposure to ricin can be kept at a minimum through changing clothes regularly and wearing gloves. It is also cheap to manufacture and has been for decades, and the amount of ricin one can put in a bullet is more than enough to kill.

[Kouralia]

:hipstergalla:

*Galla

*Insert Puzikas Hipster Orgy Quote Here*

[Spreewerke]

Arsenic.
it'll be easier.

There are three things to consider here, though: Is arsenic cheaper to manufacture, is it easier to handle, and is it deadlier/at least as deadly?

I figure if the answers to two of those questions are 'yes', then I'd go with that. Ricin doesn't absorb through the skin well, so accidental overexposure to ricin can be kept at a minimum through changing clothes regularly and wearing gloves. It is also cheap to manufacture and has been for decades, and the amount of ricin one can put in a bullet is more than enough to kill.

You're aware that just inhaling a minute dose of ricin is lethal, right?