NS Infantry discussion thread

[Spreewerke]

I want you guys' expert opinions for a 5.56 AR contest.

Contestants:

HK416
Remington ACR
M16 Family
SCAR-L
H&K G36
FAMAS
SA80

So, which one is the best?

M16A3 or M4A1 carbine.

Not a huge fan of the ACR (I know some are, but guess who isn't one of those some), and the SCAR boot stocks don't agree with me in any way whatsoever. Not a huge fan of bullpups, either, and the G36 just doesn't look like it'd be a super-solid rifle (granted, I have no experience with G36-series firearms).

It was a toss-up between the HK416 or the two AR-15-derived variants I listed, so I went with the ones that could accept PMags.

Daewoo K2 still trumps all.

[Kouralia]

L85A2 IW (SA80)

(Everyone knew I'd say that)

Isn't the L85 terrible? Everyone seems to think that.

Why would it be terrible? The old version had similar teething problems to the M16, IIRC the reliability of the A1 was fixed by the A2 in the same manner the M16's was fixed, and I think (though I may be wrong) the L85 still had a better record than the M16 in the beginning.

Now, it's a bullpup rifle, that is very accurate, and a tad heavy. Giving it its railed fore-end, the SPECTRE sight and PMAGs would have it as a formidable weapon for the soldier of the 2010s.

[Marsisian]

Isn't the L85 terrible? Everyone seems to think that.

Why would it be terrible? The old version had similar teething problems to the M16, IIRC the reliability of the A1 was fixed by the A2 in the same manner the M16's was fixed, and I think (though I may be wrong) the L85 still had a better record than the M16 in the beginning.

Now, it's a bullpup rifle, that is very accurate, and a tad heavy. Giving it its railed fore-end, the SPECTRE sight and PMAGs would have it as a formidable weapon for the soldier of the 2010s.

All right, it's the M16s vs the L85s, i'm stuck between the two.

[Spreewerke]

Daewoo K2, take no prisoners.

[Kouralia]

Why would it be terrible? The old version had similar teething problems to the M16, IIRC the reliability of the A1 was fixed by the A2 in the same manner the M16's was fixed, and I think (though I may be wrong) the L85 still had a better record than the M16 in the beginning.

Now, it's a bullpup rifle, that is very accurate, and a tad heavy. Giving it its railed fore-end, the SPECTRE sight and PMAGs would have it as a formidable weapon for the soldier of the 2010s.

All right, it's the M16s vs the L85s, i'm stuck between the two.

L85 = bullpup = rifle barrel in a carbine length = superiority when entering or exiting vehicles, or in CQC = BAMFitude

[Ea90]

L85A2 IW (SA80)

(Everyone knew I'd say that)

Isn't the L85 terrible? Everyone seems to think that.

The -A1 had some problems, but they've been fixed, and now it's arguably one of the best modern assault rifle (if a little heavy).

[Ulfr-Reich]

Daewoo K2, take no prisoners.

7.92x57mm IS chambered Daewoo K2 with wooden-furniture and G43 sights; I beseech thee, please consider creating such a thing.

[Bezombia]

Why would it be terrible? The old version had similar teething problems to the M16, IIRC the reliability of the A1 was fixed by the A2 in the same manner the M16's was fixed, and I think (though I may be wrong) the L85 still had a better record than the M16 in the beginning.

Now, it's a bullpup rifle, that is very accurate, and a tad heavy. Giving it its railed fore-end, the SPECTRE sight and PMAGs would have it as a formidable weapon for the soldier of the 2010s.

All right, it's the M16s vs the L85s, i'm stuck between the two.

In my opinion the L85 is better.

Of course their both worse than the AUG, and the AK-103 is superior to all three of them.

[Spreewerke]

Daewoo K2, take no prisoners.

7.92x57mm IS chambered Daewoo K2 with wooden-furniture and G43 sights; I beseech thee, please consider creating such a thing.

I will not desecrate such a design.

[Ulfr-Reich]

7.92x57mm IS chambered Daewoo K2 with wooden-furniture and G43 sights; I beseech thee, please consider creating such a thing.

I will not desecrate such a design.

Or at least a normal Daewoo K2 in that lovely Russkie 12.7x55mm cartridge?

[Bezombia]

Daewoo K2 in 7.62x39 feeding from AK magazines.

[Puzikas]

Daewoo K2 in 7.62x39 feeding from AK magazines.

Already exists. Was not good apparently.

I will not desecrate such a design.

Or at least a normal Daewoo K2 in that lovely Russkie 12.7x55mm cartridge?

I can't see a purpose per say..

[The Grand World Order]

But basically this. Very few systems of martial arts are practical in combat load and outfit. A few (Like Systema and MAC) are developed FOR combat in battle load, while most are basically grappling, boxing and hoping you don't get shot.

Aye. Most hand-to-hand training would really only be useful for the puke standing duty at the barracks in garrison, in which case you're going to want more of a grappling style to deal with drunk personnel coming back, or to defend against surprise attackers long enough for another on-duty serviceman to save the day with his sidearm.

[Kouralia]

An interesting read on assorted MG usage, and some technical stuff i don't properly understand about proper maintenance of a GPMG.

[Drekka]

I want you guys' expert opinions for a 5.56 AR contest.

Contestants:

HK416
Remington ACR
M16 Family
SCAR-L
H&K G36
FAMAS
SA80

So, which one is the best?

M16A3 or M4A1 carbine.

Not a huge fan of the ACR (I know some are, but guess who isn't one of those some), and the SCAR boot stocks don't agree with me in any way whatsoever. Not a huge fan of bullpups, either, and the G36 just doesn't look like it'd be a super-solid rifle (granted, I have no experience with G36-series firearms).

It was a toss-up between the HK416 or the two AR-15-derived variants I listed, so I went with the ones that could accept PMags.

Daewoo K2 still trumps all.

Dont hate on the G36/ Wunderwaffe/ Space Ar18 d:


where do you think the 416's internals came from ?

[Ulfr-Reich]

M16A3 or M4A1 carbine.

Not a huge fan of the ACR (I know some are, but guess who isn't one of those some), and the SCAR boot stocks don't agree with me in any way whatsoever. Not a huge fan of bullpups, either, and the G36 just doesn't look like it'd be a super-solid rifle (granted, I have no experience with G36-series firearms).

It was a toss-up between the HK416 or the two AR-15-derived variants I listed, so I went with the ones that could accept PMags.

Daewoo K2 still trumps all.

Dont hate on the G36/ Wunderwaffe/ Space Ar18 d:


where do you think the 416's internals came from ?

Does the 416 melt though?

If you want something AR-18, yet suitably German, just rock an AR-18 with G3A3 aesthetics.

[Drekka]

Dont hate on the G36/ Wunderwaffe/ Space Ar18 d:


where do you think the 416's internals came from ?

Does the 416 melt though?

From what I looked into, the G36 does have some issues with eroding handguards under extended automatic
fire, but they tend to keep going, but with decreased accuracy.


the 416 ( AR15 + G36 = baby) is a step in the right direction though for something NATO spec.
Melt/ less accuracy > Jam

[Ulfr-Reich]

Does the 416 melt though?

From what I looked into, the G36 does have some issues with eroding handguards under extended automatic
fire, but they tend to keep going, but with decreased accuracy.


the 416 ( AR15 + G36 = baby) is a step in the right direction though for something NATO spec.
Melt/ less accuracy > Jam

Oh fuck, I just had a rather strange yet intriguing idea for a sidearm. Anyone game for an AR18 derived modern-equivalent of the C96 or Mannlicher pistols?

[Spreewerke]

Does the 416 melt though?

From what I looked into, the G36 does have some issues with eroding handguards under extended automatic
fire, but they tend to keep going, but with decreased accuracy.


the 416 ( AR15 + G36 = baby) is a step in the right direction though for something NATO spec.
Melt/ less accuracy > Jam

Or you could just use a Daewoo and have no melting, good accuracy, and no jams.

[Ulfr-Reich]

From what I looked into, the G36 does have some issues with eroding handguards under extended automatic
fire, but they tend to keep going, but with decreased accuracy.


the 416 ( AR15 + G36 = baby) is a step in the right direction though for something NATO spec.
Melt/ less accuracy > Jam

Or you could just use a Daewoo and have no melting, good accuracy, and no jams.

Agreed. I really want to shoot one of these marvelous rifles.

[Drekka]

From what I looked into, the G36 does have some issues with eroding handguards under extended automatic
fire, but they tend to keep going, but with decreased accuracy.


the 416 ( AR15 + G36 = baby) is a step in the right direction though for something NATO spec.
Melt/ less accuracy > Jam

Oh fuck, I just had a rather strange yet intriguing idea for a sidearm. Anyone game for an AR18 derived modern-equivalent of the C96 or Mannlicher pistols?

wouldnt that be an MP7 ? d:


It has a bottlenecked cartridge that's below 9mm, a stock, German, and has the G36/ AR18 gas system d:

[Ulfr-Reich]

Oh fuck, I just had a rather strange yet intriguing idea for a sidearm. Anyone game for an AR18 derived modern-equivalent of the C96 or Mannlicher pistols?

wouldnt that be an MP7 ? d:


It has a bottlenecked , cartridge that's below 9mm, a stock, German, and has the G36/ AR18 gas system d:

Nope. Forward-loading, 9x21 chambered (+P of course, genius shit that is), Broomhandle grip to carry a slight sense of traditionalism plus some form of sights an' whatnot.

[Puzikas]

wouldnt that be an MP7 ? d:


It has a bottlenecked , cartridge that's below 9mm, a stock, German, and has the G36/ AR18 gas system d:

Nope. Forward-loading, 9x21 chambered (+P of course, genius shit that is), Broomhandle grip to carry a slight sense of traditionalism plus some form of sights an' whatnot.

So you want an SR-2

[Ulfr-Reich]

Nope. Forward-loading, 9x21 chambered (+P of course, genius shit that is), Broomhandle grip to carry a slight sense of traditionalism plus some form of sights an' whatnot.

So you want an SR-2

Or, well, something suitably badass, yet built around incredibly archaic firearm values.

[Puzikas]

So you want an SR-2

Or, well, something suitably badass, yet built around incredibly archaic firearm values.

No.
SR-2 is only 9x21 machine weapon.

http://content.foto.mail.ru/mail/photos ... /s-358.jpg


So simple to take apart, clean and use a child can do it. The SR-2 is to the PDW world as the AK is to the Rifle world. Its simple, reliable, and powerful. It has a recoil impulse so low it leaves the shooter questioning if he really did just dump 30 rounds on target and never once did he go off target. It shoots a 9x19 7N31/21 if the 9N21/31 went to the gym more, and trained while looking at pictures of the enemy's soft, squishy body. The SR-2 is the SVDK of the PDW world. Someone forgot to tell SR-2 that its not intended for combat past 100m when it was born and its been shooting 200m since then. Someone forgot to tell it that its brass isn't supposed to be ejected with such force that it can be used as a less-lethal weapon, so hes been doing that too. The SR-2 hates all things that aren't filled with holes, and it wants to fill your soft, squishy self with holes. And no, it wont not fill you with holes.