NS Infantry discussion thread

[New Visegrad]

Saw this on NSD

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[The Archangel Conglomerate]

So... I started on one of these
Not doing too bad so far, I suppose.

Sword Bayonet (nowhere to mount it, but whatever)
2) Fragmentation Grenades
3) Flares


2) Magazines 35mm Gyrojets
1) 50 rounds 7.92x57mm


2) 24 Hour Field Rations
100oz Water Bladder

Hygiene Kit
IFAK
Maintenance/Cleaning Kit
Multi-tool

[Spreewerke]

So... I started on one of these
Not doing too bad so far, I suppose.

Sword Bayonet (nowhere to mount it, but whatever)
2) Fragmentation Grenades
3) Flares

5) AK-211 Magazines (30 rounds each, 150 rounds total) :check:

2) Magazines 35mm Gyrojets
1) 50 rounds 7.92x57mm


2) 24 Hour Field Rations
100oz Water Bladder

Hygiene Kit
IFAK
Maintenance/Cleaning Kit
Multi-tool

I would replace the smartphone with a radio.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

I would replace the smartphone with a radio.

The smartphone is a slightly better choice in my opinion, as it can do anything a radio can, plus text internet and GPS mapping.

Perhaps I'm wrong though.

[Fordorsia]

I would replace the smartphone with a radio.

The smartphone is a slightly better choice in my opinion, as it can do anything a radio can, plus text internet and GPS mapping.

Perhaps I'm wrong though.

"lol just shot sum talaban jk it was a civ brb"

[Ulfr-Reich]

The smartphone is a slightly better choice in my opinion, as it can do anything a radio can, plus text internet and GPS mapping.

Perhaps I'm wrong though.

"lol just shot sum talaban jk it was a civ brb"

"lol, told civ it was freedums, but was a predator drone; gotta shoot reporters, brb"*


Correction^

[Spirit of Hope]

I would replace the smartphone with a radio.

The smartphone is a slightly better choice in my opinion, as it can do anything a radio can, plus text internet and GPS mapping.

Perhaps I'm wrong though.

Problem with smart phones is they need cell towers to work. Might not be cell towers still standing when your fighting in the area. I issue a "battlefield smartphone" which is mostly a ratio/GPS/information sharing device for the troops. Officers get tablets that are just bigger versions so they can get a better view on maps and stuff.

[Spreewerke]

I would replace the smartphone with a radio.

The smartphone is a slightly better choice in my opinion, as it can do anything a radio can, plus text internet and GPS mapping.

Perhaps I'm wrong though.

While I was sitting on a stakeout for spotlighters last week, my county's agent made mention of them still relying primarily on radios even though they have a brand new smartphone (iPhone 4? I don't into phone models) issued by the state individually. Radio allows them to go quiet, radio can be used with no light being emitted, radio is push-to-talk-to-everyone-on-channel, and channel frequency can be changed since antennas can be set for a set frequency range. The only time he used his iPhone was to check the time, text his wife, and I think state something to another agent that wasn't necessarily pertinent to the task at hand (leaving radio clear).

I will admit that I do not know a whole lot about new phones, but I am under the assumption that radio lets a group communicate instantaneously way better than a cellphone would. Transmitters can be put in the vehicle (ours were), whereas I don't believe a cellphone tower can be (are satellite phones different?). With a radio in the vehicle, we were also able to do other things while listening to the supervising agent of the operation. If he was giving directions to another agent, we could busy ourselves with checking the map (GPS was turned off for light-emitting reasons) or whatever else needed done. I see you are issuing a headset with your phone, but remember that there can be more than one individual in a vehicle or in a certain outpost. Radio is audible by all (which has its pros/cons, of course). With a radio plugged into the vehicle, you really didn't need to worry about a battery dying, either. You could likely make a charger for an on-the-person radio that plugged into the vehicle, but I understand this, too, is done with phones.

I think the biggest benefit would be channel frequency liberties, lights-out capability, and the instantaneous communication to everyone involved with the situation. I don't think having a government-funded partyline on the cellphone is going to match that.

I'm going to readily admit I know relatively little about cellphones and radios beyond what was in our vehicle, so if anyone else does know more about them (I imagine someone does, wouldn't be hard), their input would likely be more credible than my own.

[Kouralia]

The smartphone is a slightly better choice in my opinion, as it can do anything a radio can, plus text internet and GPS mapping.

Perhaps I'm wrong though.

While I was sitting on a stakeout for spotlighters last week, my county's agent made mention of them still relying primarily on radios even though they have a brand new smartphone (iPhone 4? I don't into phone models) issued by the state individually. Radio allows them to go quiet, radio can be used with no light being emitted, radio is push-to-talk-to-everyone-on-channel, and channel frequency can be changed since antennas can be set for a set frequency range. The only time he used his iPhone was to check the time, text his wife, and I think state something to another agent that wasn't necessarily pertinent to the task at hand (leaving radio clear).

I will admit that I do not know a whole lot about new phones, but I am under the assumption that radio lets a group communicate instantaneously way better than a cellphone would. Transmitters can be put in the vehicle (ours were), whereas I don't believe a cellphone tower can be (are satellite phones different?). With a radio in the vehicle, we were also able to do other things while listening to the supervising agent of the operation. If he was giving directions to another agent, we could busy ourselves with checking the map (GPS was turned off for light-emitting reasons) or whatever else needed done. I see you are issuing a headset with your phone, but remember that there can be more than one individual in a vehicle or in a certain outpost. Radio is audible by all (which has its pros/cons, of course). With a radio plugged into the vehicle, you really didn't need to worry about a battery dying, either. You could likely make a charger for an on-the-person radio that plugged into the vehicle, but I understand this, too, is done with phones.

I think the biggest benefit would be channel frequency liberties, lights-out capability, and the instantaneous communication to everyone involved with the situation. I don't think having a government-funded partyline on the cellphone is going to match that.

I'm going to readily admit I know relatively little about cellphones and radios beyond what was in our vehicle, so if anyone else does know more about them (I imagine someone does, wouldn't be hard), their input would likely be more credible than my own.

What's your job? I thought, for some reason, you worked at like an abattoir (or something similar), must've been mentions of using carcasses to test ammunition for the thread. Naturally I'm not really connecting 'stakeout', 'agent' and 'operation' with that image...

[Spreewerke]

What's your job? I thought, for some reason, you worked at like an abattoir (or something similar), must've been mentions of using carcasses to test ammunition for the thread. Naturally I'm not really connecting 'stakeout', 'agent' and 'operation' with that image...

I still work at our slaughterhouse, but I underwent my training to be a volunteer with the MO Department of Conservation, as well (not as glorious as it sounds: training consisting of punching and kicking a dude once, then filling out a pen-and-paper test over state statutes). This weekend is youth season for deer, so I can probably get some photos on entry/exit wounds if we're not busy to the point to where that pause in productivity would cause problems. Along with deer season comes the focus on primarily game law enforcement with the MDC, so that is why we were sitting in a field for five hours in a blacked-out truck, engine off, windows down.

Before anyone asks, no. The MDC does not use night vision very often for this for two purposes: not really needed (if you see another vehicle stop on the road, shoot, and keep driving, guess what they're doing), and cost. My agent said he'd only ever caught one person with night vision on them during one of these exercises, so it is insanely rare within the civilian populace, as well.

[United states of brazilian nations]

is it possible to use cased telescoping ammunition with a "conventional" operating system? i mean, without that fancy rotating cylinders most CTA weapons use, but a normal gas piston/bolt system instead? i am of course assuming rims are used, with a metal "ring" on the rim for reinforcement.

[Ea90]

is it possible to use cased telescoping ammunition with a "conventional" operating system? i mean, without that fancy rotating cylinders most CTA weapons use, but a normal gas piston/bolt system instead? i am of course assuming rims are used, with a metal "ring" on the rim for reinforcement.

yes

[Inquilabstan]

Two questions comrades. Firstly, which here is superior, in your opinion, and secondly, should I 6B-5ify it a bit?

[Ea90]

Two questions comrades. Firstly, which here is superior, in your opinion, and secondly, should I 6B-5ify it a bit?

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The leftmost one, because it protects more of the torso and seems like the pockets will be easier to reach.

[Inquilabstan]

Two questions comrades. Firstly, which here is superior, in your opinion, and secondly, should I 6B-5ify it a bit?

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The leftmost one, because it protects more of the torso and seems like the pockets will be easier to reach.

Well, the plate area is the same, but I think you are right with the ease of access. Would it be a hindrance to movement though?

[Crookfur]

is it possible to use cased telescoping ammunition with a "conventional" operating system? i mean, without that fancy rotating cylinders most CTA weapons use, but a normal gas piston/bolt system instead? i am of course assuming rims are used, with a metal "ring" on the rim for reinforcement.

yes but its pretty pointless, pretty much the whole point of CTA is so you can use push through breaches and similar mechanisms.

[Ea90]

Well, the plate area is the same

Really?

Would it be a hindrance to movement though?

I'm not sure.
Most RL webbing seem to have pouches that low, though, so I think it will be okay.

[Inquilabstan]

Well, the plate area is the same

Really?

Would it be a hindrance to movement though?

I'm not sure.
Most RL webbing seem to have pouches that low, though, so I think it will be okay.

Yep. Same area. Actually, I'm using the Indian standard model ballistic vest combined with a Russian rig as inspiration.

[Ea90]

Yep. Same area.

So it does.
I was thrown off because the first is taller than the others.
My mistake.

[The Nuclear Fist]

As a joke idea, would it be possible to design an assault rifle based on the Uzi?

[United states of brazilian nations]

is it possible to use cased telescoping ammunition with a "conventional" operating system? i mean, without that fancy rotating cylinders most CTA weapons use, but a normal gas piston/bolt system instead? i am of course assuming rims are used, with a metal "ring" on the rim for reinforcement.

yes but its pretty pointless, pretty much the whole point of CTA is so you can use push through breaches and similar mechanisms.

well, lighter ammunition. also, i'm currently making guns for a "video game guns" contest on DeviantArt, and i chose to make some Battlefield 2142-ish guns, so they have to be as much dumbfutur and hi-speed low-drag as possible. goes against many things that i believe but hey, they won't be adopted by my country anyways.

caseless is way too crazy and would suck with the conditions in the game (as it is frigginly cold, guns have heating systems so they don't freeze, as such ammo cookoff would be something even easier). furthermore, i haven't the slightest idea of how these "breach" mechanisms they use with CTA ammo work, nor how guns using them look like.

[Inquilabstan]

Yep. Same area.

So it does.
I was thrown off because the first is taller than the others.
My mistake.

Think it would be better to extend it? I feel that it might be too much, though I have no idea what I'm talking about.

[Crookfur]

I would replace the smartphone with a radio.

The smartphone is a slightly better choice in my opinion, as it can do anything a radio can, plus text internet and GPS mapping.

Perhaps I'm wrong though.

its actually more actually the other way round, jsut about anyhting useful you can do ona s mart phone you can do with a modern networked digital radio device. The only real distance is that with the "radio" the network travels with you rather than having to rely on fixed cellular infrastructure.

Modern personal radios are a lot mroe than simple push to talk walkie talkies they frequency hop, have heavy encryption, can transmit data and can freely switch from point to point mode to broadcasting to several different "groups".

[Ea90]

As a joke idea, would it be possible to design an assault rifle based on the Uzi?

I had that idea one and a half years ago
I toyed with an Uzi-style gun with a 24-round magazine of 6.25x38mm CTA rounds (which fit into a pistol grip quite comfortably, actually).
Nothing much ever came of it, however, other than a basic lineart, internal diagram and statblock, however.
I can post it here if you like.

[The Nuclear Fist]

As a joke idea, would it be possible to design an assault rifle based on the Uzi?

I had that idea one and a half years ago
I toyed with an Uzi-style gun with a 24-round magazine of 6.25x38mm CTA rounds (which fit into a pistol grip quite comfortably, actually).
Nothing much ever came of it, however, other than a basic lineart, internal diagram and statblock, however.
I can post it here if you like.

Go for it, though I don't know what CTA rounds are.