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Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:28 pm

When a belt ends on a belt-fed MG do they load a new belt or do they link the first cartridge of the new belt to the last cartridge of the previous belt?
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Postby Bezombia » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:28 pm

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B: .30 Carbine would be at best a heavy SMG, no where NEAR assault rifle territory.

I see, well looks like we'll have to produce a new round...

we currently produce:
.303 British (Tiger series battle rifles)
NA.330 (M1T series machine guns & M2001 sniper rifle)
.30 carbine (M1 carbines used by support troops and police)
.45ACP (standard Allied sidearm caliber)

slated for production:
7.62×51mm (MG3, entering service)


If 7.62x51 exists, than 7.62x39 exists.
If the time period allows it, I'd also suggest 7.62x45.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:28 pm

3 State Alliance wrote:So I have been thinking about reworking my army lately and would like to float changes past NS's resident military experts.

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Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:33 pm

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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:33 pm

3 State Alliance wrote:I see, well looks like we'll have to produce a new round...

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Type: Rifle Cartridge
In Service: 1956-Present
Used By: ArchSec

Production History
Designer: Harold Richardson
Designed: 1954-55
Produced: 1955-Present

Specifications
Case Type: Brass, Rimless Bottleneck
Bullet Diameter: 8.2mm
Neck Diameter: 9mm
Shoulder Diameter: 13mm
Base Diameter: 13.8mm
Rim Diameter: 13.8mm
Case Length: 43.4mm
Overall Length: 71mm
Case Capacity: 57gr

Filling Weight: 42.5gr
Operating Pressure: 58.000KPSI

Ballistics Performance
185gr Ball 822m/s 3730j
175gr AP 840m/s 3716j
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Postby Lemanrussland » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:33 pm

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:When a belt ends on a belt-fed MG do they load a new belt or do they link the first cartridge of the new belt to the last cartridge of the previous belt?

They load a new belt. Typically they open the top cover, sweep any brass and links out of the way, put a new belt in, close the top cover, and then charge the weapon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vClOquwimP4
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Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:35 pm

Lemanrussland wrote:
DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:When a belt ends on a belt-fed MG do they load a new belt or do they link the first cartridge of the new belt to the last cartridge of the previous belt?

They load a new belt. Typically they open the feed tray, sweep any brass and links out of the way, put a new belt in, close the feed tray, and then charge the weapon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vClOquwimP4


But.. could belts be designed with the described capability?
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Postby Purpelia » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:36 pm

Honestly if he is transitioning from .303 to 7.62x51 and is looking for an intermediary he would do well to just go with .280.
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Postby Doppio Giudici » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:37 pm

Would anyone happen to know the answer to my question earlier about the G3?
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Postby Spreewerke » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:37 pm

You'd have to link belts before the first one was depleted. It wouldn't make a lot of sense, though: that reload time, though time spent not-shooting, is also time spent letting your weapon cool off. If you had a continuous stream of fire, you'd be heating your firearm up pretty quick.

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Postby 3 State Alliance » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:39 pm

Purpelia wrote:
3 State Alliance wrote:I see, well looks like we'll have to produce a new round...

we currently produce:
.303 British (Tiger series battle rifles)
NA.330 (M1T series machine guns & M2001 sniper rifle)
.30 carbine (M1 carbines used by support troops and police)
.45ACP (standard Allied sidearm caliber)

slated for production:
7.62×51mm (MG3, entering service)

What year is this for?

Call me crazy but it dates from around 2020, The Allied government generally refuses to allow production or importation of foreign weapons and ordinance (the M1s date from a WWII deal with the Americans). As a result many weapons used are bastard hybrids of the colonial era and modern needs.
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Postby Lemanrussland » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:44 pm

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
Lemanrussland wrote:They load a new belt. Typically they open the feed tray, sweep any brass and links out of the way, put a new belt in, close the feed tray, and then charge the weapon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vClOquwimP4


But.. could belts be designed with the described capability?

Yeah, you can string several belts together. A PKM for example can have several 50 round belts strung together, so when you go through 50 rounds, the belt will detach and fall off instead of dangling (since the PKM uses non-disintegrating belts).

Spreewerke wrote:You'd have to link belts before the first one was depleted. It wouldn't make a lot of sense, though: that reload time, though time spent not-shooting, is also time spent letting your weapon cool off. If you had a continuous stream of fire, you'd be heating your firearm up pretty quick.

That's what spare barrels are for, just continually swap them, and don't let them get too hot from firing.

Most often, you will not be in a situation which calls for that kind of sustained fire (most often it's a waste of ammunition), unless you are set up on a tripod in a static position and delivering supporting fires to a platoon. You are also taught to fire in bursts, which allows time for the barrel to cool down and saves ammunition.
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Postby Gvozdevsk » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:45 pm

Graditora wrote:http://i.imgur.com/VY3o1I9.png
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I really want to do one of these but I'm terrible at lineart. Junior General doesn't have any of the vehicles I use either so I'd have to do it all from scratch instead of taking someone's work and giving them credit for it.

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Postby Sevvania » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:49 pm

Bezombia wrote:B: .30 Carbine would be at best a heavy SMG, no where NEAR assault rifle territory.

In terms of power, perhaps, but .30 Carbine is in a weird gray area where you can pretty much classify at as a pistol, SMG, PDW, or intermediate round.
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Postby Kouralia » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:10 pm

Graditora wrote:http://i.imgur.com/VY3o1I9.png
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I always thought IFVs was Armoured Infantry...
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Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:13 pm

Spreewerke wrote:You'd have to link belts before the first one was depleted. It wouldn't make a lot of sense, though: that reload time, though time spent not-shooting, is also time spent letting your weapon cool off. If you had a continuous stream of fire, you'd be heating your firearm up pretty quick.


Probably the biggest advantages would be for RWSs that allow reloading from under armor or belt-fed guns placed in cramped turrets. In these situations it is either impractical or even impossible to reach the charging handle and feeding tray.
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Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:14 pm

Kouralia wrote:
Graditora wrote:http://i.imgur.com/VY3o1I9.png
Y/N?

I always thought IFVs was Armoured Infantry...


It is, what's your point?
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Postby Pan Asian Amercian Coalition » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:14 pm

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Bezombia wrote:B: .30 Carbine would be at best a heavy SMG, no where NEAR assault rifle territory.

In terms of power, perhaps, but .30 Carbine is in a weird gray area where you can pretty much classify at as a pistol, SMG, PDW, or intermediate round.

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Postby Graditora » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:16 pm

Kouralia wrote:
Graditora wrote:http://i.imgur.com/VY3o1I9.png
Y/N?

I always thought IFVs was Armoured Infantry...

Armored and Mechanized infantry are practically the same thing but (I think) armored infantry ride on tanks or at least have tank assets within the company rather then having a battalion attachment.

I may be just talking out my ass and armored and mechanized infantry are just the same thing but with different names.
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Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:16 pm

I don't understand how this works, time: about 1:19
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Postby Kouralia » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:18 pm

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
Kouralia wrote:I always thought IFVs was Armoured Infantry...


It is, what's your point?

His is labeled Mechanised Infantry.

Graditora wrote:
Kouralia wrote:I always thought IFVs was Armoured Infantry...

Armored and Mechanized infantry are practically the same thing but (I think) armored infantry ride on tanks or at least have tank assets within the company rather then having a battalion attachment.

I may be just talking out my ass and armored and mechanized infantry are just the same thing but with different names.


Well, in the British Army the Armoured Warriors around, and the Mech Bulldogs around.

Kouralian Equiv. of what you posted.

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Postby Ea90 » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:18 pm

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:master race as follows:

.22 LR for training and American-180 shits and gigs
7.62x25mm ( +P and +P+ too ) for pistols, machine pistols, SMGs, PDWs
7x46mm UIAC for ar, br, lmg, gpmg, dmr
.338 NM for MMG and sniper
12.7x108mm HMG and sniper
15.5x115mm (v)HMG and AMR

etc.

If you want to go true :luloptimalwhatever: you'd get rid of the .22LR, replace both the .338 and 12.7x108 with one cartridge (like .408 cheytac or .416 Barrett or something) and drop the 15.5mm for 20mm.

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Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:18 pm

Graditora wrote:
Kouralia wrote:I always thought IFVs was Armoured Infantry...

Armored and Mechanized infantry are practically the same thing but (I think) armored infantry ride on tanks or at least have tank assets within the company rather then having a battalion attachment.

I may be just talking out my ass and armored and mechanized infantry are just the same thing but with different names.


Generally, armored infantry seems to be refer more to infantry that rides around in HIFVs or heavier IFVs as opposed to lighter IFVs or up-armed APCs.
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Postby Ea90 » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:21 pm

DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
Graditora wrote:Armored and Mechanized infantry are practically the same thing but (I think) armored infantry ride on tanks or at least have tank assets within the company rather then having a battalion attachment.

I may be just talking out my ass and armored and mechanized infantry are just the same thing but with different names.


Generally, armored infantry seems to be refer more to infantry that rides around in HIFVs or heavier IFVs as opposed to lighter IFVs or up-armed APCs.

It's really just terminology difference; both terms are very loose and are essentially interchangeable.

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Postby Graditora » Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:27 pm

Kouralia wrote:
DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
It is, what's your point?

His is labeled Mechanised Infantry.

Graditora wrote:Armored and Mechanized infantry are practically the same thing but (I think) armored infantry ride on tanks or at least have tank assets within the company rather then having a battalion attachment.

I may be just talking out my ass and armored and mechanized infantry are just the same thing but with different names.


Well, in the British Army the Armoured Warriors around, and the Mech Bulldogs around.

Kouralian Equiv. of what you posted.

;)

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DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
Generally, armored infantry seems to be refer more to infantry that rides around in HIFVs or heavier IFVs as opposed to lighter IFVs or up-armed APCs.

It's really just terminology difference; both terms are very loose and are essentially interchangeable.

Yup. :meh:
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