NS Infantry discussion thread

[Purpelia]

I need to find a pattern book or something.

[Ardavia]

Question.

For a PT service rifle, about WWI era, what would be the best choice?

The same goes for a sidearm, machinegun and possibly SMG.

[Purpelia]

Question.

For a PT service rifle, about WWI era, what would be the best choice?

The same goes for a sidearm, machinegun and possibly SMG.

Anything. They are all roughly equal. If you avoid Italian machine guns that is. But I would propose you use the mighty and awesome Rifle Felix Model 1890. Each patent purchase comes with its own SMG designs.

Link to image

[Bezombia]

Question.

For a PT service rifle, about WWI era, what would be the best choice?

The same goes for a sidearm, machinegun and possibly SMG.

Rifle: The Garand was around by then, so I'd go with something semi-automatic. Large caliber. 7.92x57 would work wonders, from the Gewer 1888/05 rifle.

[Bezombia]

Question.

For a PT service rifle, about WWI era, what would be the best choice?

The same goes for a sidearm, machinegun and possibly SMG.

Anything. They are all roughly equal. If you avoid Italian machine guns that is. But I would propose you use the mighty and awesome Rifle Felix Model 1890. Each patent purchase comes with its own SMG designs.

Link to image

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[Purpelia]

Anything. They are all roughly equal. If you avoid Italian machine guns that is. But I would propose you use the mighty and awesome Rifle Felix Model 1890. Each patent purchase comes with its own SMG designs.

Link to image

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Fixed it by now...

[Inquilabstan]

SMLE is the way to go.

[Ardavia]

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Fixed it by now...

Ooh, that looks sexy. I can haz?

EDIT: Also, how does it operate? Do you put your finger through the ring and cock it or what?

[Bezombia]

Would these designs work? I mean, everything except the magazine I know are correct. However, if these are wrong, which they most likely are, is there a way I could fix them? And what are your opinions on the new LSAT LMG? U.S army still has it in testing, but, what a your opinions?

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It wouldn't work and the magazine is most certainly not the only problem.

For the top one:
That foregrip isn't mounted to anything in any feasible manner.
You have some strange layering issues that, when looking at the end of the top rails, made my brain go fuzzy.
That scope doesn't seem to be entirely on the rails.

Bottom one:
Your receivers aren't matching up properly, which means they aren't fixed to each other. Not only does this just look bad, but it also means your rifle literally isn't even assembled.
Your delta ring overlaps with the receiver, which isn't possible in real life as two things cannot exist in the same place at the same time.

Both of them:
You cannot have a belt fed magazine fed rifle. It doesn't work. Every attempt ever made to create a belt fed version of a magazine fed rifle failed, except for ONE, and they basically had to redesign the rifle to be belt fed and then make a magazine fed conversion of it (HK21).
Even if it was possible to feed from a belt without a loading gate, your belt boxes aren't even attached to the rifles.
EVEN IF they were attached and it was possible to feed without a loading gate, the bottom one seems to feed right into the ejection port, which means that even if it could fire, it would fire and then explode.

[Purpelia]

Fixed it by now...

Ooh, that looks sexy. I can haz?

EDIT: Also, how does it operate? Do you put your finger through the ring and cock it or what?

I am working on a new and improved drawing now. But for all intents and purposes it's a strait pull bolt action rifle (like the K31) modified with a handle not dissimilar to a gas piston rifle which in turn connects to a shotgun style pump handle in the front. That way you can reload it with one hand without taking your aim off target just like you could a shotgun.

http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/ ... opic=10790

There is even a semi auto gas operated conversion for the interwar era.
http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/ ... opic=11064

Also, if you notice the SMG in the image. It's not there by accident. It is in fact a related design using all the common furniture, the handle of my service pistol and sharing much of parts with both.
http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/ ... opic=10933
http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/ ... opic=11723

Oh, and I make a modern one in 7.5 Felix.

[New Visegrad]

Steady on, Beno.

It wouldn't work and the magazine is most certainly not the only problem.

For the top one:
That foregrip isn't mounted to anything in any feasible manner.
You have some strange layering issues that, when looking at the end of the top rails, made my brain go fuzzy.

a. Could be a fixed grip (bolted to the handguard), or mounted with something like PCAPs....PCAPS? PCAPs or PCAPS?
b. I see nothing wrong here.

Both of them:
You cannot have a belt fed magazine fed rifle. It doesn't work. Every attempt ever made to create a belt fed version of a magazine fed rifle failed, except for ONE, and they basically had to redesign the rifle to be belt fed and then make a magazine fed conversion of it (HK21).
Even if it was possible to feed from a belt without a loading gate, your belt boxes aren't even attached to the rifles.
EVEN IF they were attached and it was possible to feed without a loading gate, the bottom one seems to feed right into the ejection port, which means that even if it could fire, it would fire and then explode.

I think you're taking the appearance of the thing too literally. PMG has its limitations, and while I can't speak for the designer's intentions, I think it's supposed to be more "it's properly designed really, it just happens to *look* like the M16 receiver" than "this is an M16 receiver with a belt feed through the ejection port".

[Ardavia]

Ooh, that looks sexy. I can haz?

EDIT: Also, how does it operate? Do you put your finger through the ring and cock it or what?

I am working on a new and improved drawing now. But for all intents and purposes it's a strait pull bolt action rifle (like the K31) modified with a handle not dissimilar to a gas piston rifle which in turn connects to a shotgun style pump handle in the front. That way you can reload it with one hand without taking your aim off target just like you could a shotgun.

http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/ ... opic=10790

There is even a semi auto gas operated conversion for the interwar era.
http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/ ... opic=11064

Also, if you notice the SMG in the image. It's not there by accident. It is in fact a related design using all the common furniture, the handle of my service pistol and sharing much of parts with both.
http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/ ... opic=10933
http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/ ... opic=11723

Oh, and I make a modern one in 7.5 Felix.

Oh. So, can I use that old one in 7.5 Swiss then, and could I get to use the modern one too? The 7.5 Felix is just so cool.

[Bezombia]

I am working on a new and improved drawing now. But for all intents and purposes it's a strait pull bolt action rifle (like the K31) modified with a handle not dissimilar to a gas piston rifle which in turn connects to a shotgun style pump handle in the front. That way you can reload it with one hand without taking your aim off target just like you could a shotgun.

http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/ ... opic=10790

There is even a semi auto gas operated conversion for the interwar era.
http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/ ... opic=11064

Also, if you notice the SMG in the image. It's not there by accident. It is in fact a related design using all the common furniture, the handle of my service pistol and sharing much of parts with both.
http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/ ... opic=10933
http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/ ... opic=11723

Oh, and I make a modern one in 7.5 Felix.

Oh. So, can I use that old one in 7.5 Swiss then, and could I get to use the modern one too? The 7.5 Felix is just so cool.

You'll be handicapping yourself if you don't use a semi-auto rifle.

[Ardavia]

Oh. So, can I use that old one in 7.5 Swiss then, and could I get to use the modern one too? The 7.5 Felix is just so cool.

You'll be handicapping yourself if you don't use a semi-auto rifle.

But World War One? Did anyone actually use semi-auto rifles there?

I know they were used in WWII.

[Purpelia]

I am working on a new and improved drawing now. But for all intents and purposes it's a strait pull bolt action rifle (like the K31) modified with a handle not dissimilar to a gas piston rifle which in turn connects to a shotgun style pump handle in the front. That way you can reload it with one hand without taking your aim off target just like you could a shotgun.

http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/ ... opic=10790

There is even a semi auto gas operated conversion for the interwar era.
http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/ ... opic=11064

Also, if you notice the SMG in the image. It's not there by accident. It is in fact a related design using all the common furniture, the handle of my service pistol and sharing much of parts with both.
http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/ ... opic=10933
http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/ ... opic=11723

Oh, and I make a modern one in 7.5 Felix.

Oh. So, can I use that old one in 7.5 Swiss then, and could I get to use the modern one too? The 7.5 Felix is just so cool.

Basically, I don't deal in the normal money for design stuff that people on NS do. If you want to use my designs you can but there are several rules:

• Give me full credit by always including a link to my design text with the image.
  So when you want to use my rifle for a factbook or anything like that don't say: Rifle Felix 1890 by Purpelia.
  Say Rifle Felix 1890 by Purpelia
  
  Obviously you don't have to do this during RP.
  
• You have to obey the dates of design and implementation. (You can't have the rifle before I adopted it for my army.) And in very few cases, such as the 7.5x25 Felix the date I set as the earliest export.
  
• You have to notify me of every design separately via TG and allow me full rights to list you as a user on the design page. (like Wikipedia does)
  
• Treat them with care.

Do that, and you are set.

[Purpelia]

You'll be handicapping yourself if you don't use a semi-auto rifle.

If you read the text the submodel 1919 semi automatic is available during 1917. It's just that full scale adoption was not done until later due to cost issues. If he chose to import the design like people did with say the Mondragon he can manufacture them as early as late 1917. Which is quite early for a semi auto rifle in general service anywhere.

[Bezombia]

You'll be handicapping yourself if you don't use a semi-auto rifle.

But World War One? Did anyone actually use semi-auto rifles there?

I know they were used in WWII.

Yeah, America had them as standard issue.

[Purpelia]

But World War One? Did anyone actually use semi-auto rifles there?

I know they were used in WWII.

Yeah, America had them as standard issue.

That's WW2.

[Lemanrussland]

You'll be handicapping yourself if you don't use a semi-auto rifle.

But World War One? Did anyone actually use semi-auto rifles there?

I know they were used in WWII.

Only really by one nation (in large numbers). In 1936, the M1 Garand was essentially the most advanced service rifle which had been introduced by a major country.

The Soviets and Germans both tried to introduce semi-automatic rifles during that time, but couldn't for economic reasons. Having semi-automatic rifles as standard issue in 1914 is honestly like having assault rifles as standard issue in 1939. It's a bit cheesy in my opinion.

[Bezombia]

But World War One? Did anyone actually use semi-auto rifles there?

I know they were used in WWII.

Only really by one nation (in large numbers). In 1936, the M1 Garand was essentially the most advanced service rifle which had been introduced by a major country.

The Soviets and Germans both tried to introduce semi-automatic rifles during that time, but couldn't for economic reasons. Having semi-automatic rifles as standard issue in 1914 is honestly like having assault rifles as standard issue in 1939. It's a bit cheesy in my opinion.

Except that assault rifles weren't realy around in 1939, and semi-automatic rifles most certainly were, and were being fielded by a major world power.

[Lemanrussland]

Only really by one nation (in large numbers). In 1936, the M1 Garand was essentially the most advanced service rifle which had been introduced by a major country.

The Soviets and Germans both tried to introduce semi-automatic rifles during that time, but couldn't for economic reasons. Having semi-automatic rifles as standard issue in 1914 is honestly like having assault rifles as standard issue in 1939. It's a bit cheesy in my opinion.

Except that assault rifles weren't realy around in 1939, and semi-automatic rifles most certainly were, and were being fielded by a major world power.

He said he wanted a rifle for WWI, not WWII.

[Purpelia]

But World War One? Did anyone actually use semi-auto rifles there?

I know they were used in WWII.

Only really by one nation (in large numbers). In 1936, the M1 Garand was essentially the most advanced service rifle which had been introduced by a major country.

The Soviets and Germans both tried to introduce semi-automatic rifles during that time, but couldn't for economic reasons. Having semi-automatic rifles in 1914 is honestly like having assault rifles in 1939. It's a bit cheesy in my opinion.

There was also the RSC M1917 1917: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusil_Auto ... odele_1917

But again, early semi automatics all had one thing in common. They were too expensive to build in large numbers and fared badly in the trenches.

[Ardavia]

Only really by one nation (in large numbers). In 1936, the M1 Garand was essentially the most advanced service rifle which had been introduced by a major country.

The Soviets and Germans both tried to introduce semi-automatic rifles during that time, but couldn't for economic reasons. Having semi-automatic rifles as standard issue in 1914 is honestly like having assault rifles as standard issue in 1939. It's a bit cheesy in my opinion.

Except that assault rifles weren't realy around in 1939, and semi-automatic rifles most certainly were, and were being fielded by a major world power.

By one major world power. Everyone else basically used bolt action rifles, and those did match up to it well. I remember reading somewhere that the Marines in the Pacific were just as combat effective with the Springfield as the Garand.

[Hertzlia]

SOW

[Purpelia]

You do know that SOW is the name for a female pig?