NS Infantry discussion thread

[Ekoridge]

well i was saying right after world war II, when the US refused to adopt .280 British and the FAL, and instead threw 7.62x51mm NATO down everyone's troath and adopted the M-14 instead.
unfortunately, now the US armed forces weapon choices are being decided by corporations rather than weapon quality (not saying HK is not of good quality). damn capitalism/corporativism.

I know, right? I got so excited when I heard America was getting a new service rifle. I immediately thought 'this is a big change, holy crap this is awesome!' Mainly because I dislike the AR/M4 greatly. But then I found out that HK was just giving them the 412's... basically the same damm thing, imo. So disappoint. FAL all da way, and none of that 5.56 crap, it needs 7.62.

[Purpelia]

You really don't know what the term GMPG means do you?

Ah. Right. Them.

Yeah, that makes sense now.

Couldn't an MG3 just be shortened to suit whoever?

Considering the fact that the barrel is a vital part in the whole recoil operation thing I'd say not. At least not unless you want to fire at a gazillion bullets per nanosecond. Or you know, just not work.

[Ekoridge]

The AK is the best deigned weapon in modern history, as far as I'm concered. But the design is overused. I'm out of ideas with, so I'm making a whole new series. Most likely still 5.56x45mm. I had a design for an LMG that used MP5/ACR/AK/M249 parts, but I lost it, so know I'm working on another one. As long as the parts fit, you can use them right?

Considering all four of those weapons use dramatically different operating systems and fit dramatically different roles, combining them would not be the best option...ever...

Fellow Communist, it seems you beat me to the punch. Fine job, sir.

[Bezombia]

Ah. Right. Them.

Yeah, that makes sense now.

Couldn't an MG3 just be shortened to suit whoever?

Considering the fact that the barrel is a vital part in the whole recoil operation thing I'd say not. At least not unless you want to fire at a gazillion bullets per nanosecond. Or you know, just not work.

Especially considering some forms of the MG42 fired at almost two thousand RPM...
yeah...

[Absurrania]

The AK is the best deigned weapon in modern history, as far as I'm concered. But the design is overused. I'm out of ideas with, so I'm making a whole new series. Most likely still 5.56x45mm. I had a design for an LMG that used MP5/ACR/AK/M249 parts, but I lost it, so know I'm working on another one. As long as the parts fit, you can use them right?

Considering all four of those weapons use dramatically different operating systems and fit dramatically different roles, combining them would not be the best option...ever...

I know, but somehow, I managed to do so, and it didn't look all jumbled up and nonsensical. Now, if I could remember what parts I used...Anyway, I'm going to make a belt fed MG on the AK platform, if nothing else. And the AK-47, 74, AKM, and AK-100 series are the best of the best AK guns, that I know of. Most of the rest are clones.

[Bezombia]

Considering all four of those weapons use dramatically different operating systems and fit dramatically different roles, combining them would not be the best option...ever...

I know, but somehow, I managed to do so, and it didn't look all jumbled up and nonsensical. Now, if I could remember what parts I used...Anyway, I'm going to make a belt fed MG on the AK platform, if nothing else. And the AK-47, 74, AKM, and AK-100 series are the best of the best AK guns, that I know of. Most of the rest are clones.

First of all, I suggest you read up about the AK-47 here: viewtopic.php?p=10448851#p10448851

Second of all, belt fed AKs have been produced before, and from what I understand they're shitcrap.

[Lemanrussland]

Except the M60 was extremely unreliable, and the M240 was reliable-er than the M60.

And what would you have them choose, hm? The MG3? Much too long, especially considering the M60E4 is being used because the M240 is too long.

The M60 is unreliable when it is caked in mud, just like every firearm ever.

By the time they were replaced by the M240, they were quite old and worn out as well, sort of like the FN Minimi (M249) LMGs are today.

This video from Forgotten Weapons details some of the problems it had pretty well.

EDIT: Forgot the link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNVegwmZiQM

[Fordorsia]

Considering all four of those weapons use dramatically different operating systems and fit dramatically different roles, combining them would not be the best option...ever...

I know, but somehow, I managed to do so, and it didn't look all jumbled up and nonsensical. Now, if I could remember what parts I used...Anyway, I'm going to make a belt fed MG on the AK platform, if nothing else. And the AK-47, 74, AKM, and AK-100 series are the best of the best AK guns, that I know of. Most of the rest are clones.

Because you said the AK-47 is among the best types of AK's, we now know that you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Absurrania]

I know, but somehow, I managed to do so, and it didn't look all jumbled up and nonsensical. Now, if I could remember what parts I used...Anyway, I'm going to make a belt fed MG on the AK platform, if nothing else. And the AK-47, 74, AKM, and AK-100 series are the best of the best AK guns, that I know of. Most of the rest are clones.

Because you said the AK-47 is among the best types of AK's, we now know that you have no idea what you are talking about.

I revert to my original stance. All mainstream, non clone AK designs are among the best designs in the history of modern firearms.

[Fordorsia]

Because you said the AK-47 is among the best types of AK's, we now know that you have no idea what you are talking about.

I revert to my original stance. All mainstream, non clone AK designs are among the best designs in the history of modern firearms.

Now please explain why this is fact and not an opinion.

And while you're at it, explain to us what a modern firearm is.

[Absurrania]

I revert to my original stance. All mainstream, non clone AK designs are among the best designs in the history of modern firearms.

Now please explain why this is fact and not an opinion.

And while you're at it, explain to us what a modern firearm is.

Modern Firearm: Any firearms produced after 1900.

Not a fact, an opinion, and neither is ^. There is no proof that any weapon design or platform or type is supreme above others. But the AK is among, if not, the most popular weapon on earth. Now that is a fact. I think.

[United states of brazilian nations]

well i was saying right after world war II, when the US refused to adopt .280 British and the FAL, and instead threw 7.62x51mm NATO down everyone's troath and adopted the M-14 instead.
unfortunately, now the US armed forces weapon choices are being decided by corporations rather than weapon quality (not saying HK is not of good quality). damn capitalism/corporativism.

I know, right? I got so excited when I heard America was getting a new service rifle. I immediately thought 'this is a big change, holy crap this is awesome!' Mainly because I dislike the AR/M4 greatly. But then I found out that HK was just giving them the 412's... basically the same damm thing, imo. So disappoint. FAL all da way, and none of that 5.56 crap, it needs 7.62.

buy it from Brazil then!

IMBEL IA-2 (warning when googling: there is a knife with the same name)

- versions in both 7.62 or 5.56
- is based on the FAL
- has polymer parts for more lightness
- comes with adjustable/foldable stock by default
- has lots of rails for adaptability and stuff-mounting
- is absolutely awesome

there is no good reason to not adopt it!

these photos are the 5.56mm NATO versions. however, there are versions in 7.62mm NATO.


BRAZILIAN GLORY!
seriously, stuff like that makes me proud of my nation.

[Fordorsia]

Now please explain why this is fact and not an opinion.

And while you're at it, explain to us what a modern firearm is.

There is no proof that any weapon design or platform or type is supreme above others

So, there is no proof that the HK416 is better than the Brown Bess? This is news to me.

[Bezombia]

There is no proof that any weapon design or platform or type is supreme above others

So, there is no proof that the HK416 is better than the Brown Bess? This is news to me.

Blunderbuss > M61 Vulcan

[Absurrania]

So, there is no proof that the HK416 is better than the Brown Bess? This is news to me.

Blunderbuss > M61 Vulcan

I meant to supreme to ALL other weapon types.

[Fordorsia]

So, there is no proof that the HK416 is better than the Brown Bess? This is news to me.

Blunderbuss > M61 Vulcan

Under the right circumstances, it is.

[Purpelia]

Which one of those fires 20x142.6?

[Bezombia]

Which one of those fires 20x142.6?

Blunderbuss.

[Puzikas]

Ok, so I fixed the silencer on the RK-96 carbine, made a submachine gun, and a sniper rifle, which I had to make on the SVD platform. Otherwise, I would have had an AK-platform LMG with a bipod and a PSO-1 scope attached. And I'm not sure if the foldable stock is attached properly, as every time I put the circle behind the receiver, I'm told its not attached, but with the circle on top of the receiver, it just looks weird. And the sniper rifle is scaled down to 75 to fit.

(Image)

1) RK-96, carbine of RK-95. Introduced in 1996 to the military to fill the gap between the RK-95 & SRK-95. It fires the 5.56x45mm round. Shown with a PBS-4 silencer, and a foldable stock
2)SRK-95. A much smaller, compact, submachine gun version of the RK-95 & 96 that was designed in 1993 and, with revisions, was introduced to the military in 1995. It fires the 5.56x45mm round, and is show with foldable stock & A74su hand rail. It has the same receiver, pistol grip, magazine, and fits the same stocks as both the RK-95, the RK-96, and the LRK-95 HVD.
3)SRSK-93. This sniper rifle, on the SVD platform, was introduced to the military in 1993 and fires the 7.62x51mm round, and has a 10 round magazine. It is show above equipped with a standard PSO-1 scope, folded bipod, and a foldable stock.

I've never understood NS's fascination with suppressors. Unless you are SAS and need to eliminate someone quietly, a suppressor should not be standard issue. Also, Cases of RL being superior.

I've never understood NS's fascination with suppressors. Unless you are SAS and need to eliminate someone quietly, a suppressor should not be standard issue.

its cuz its extras gubbinz and is tacticool, they are also on all the cool AR-15s peoplez pst to arf.com.

There is also the factor that carbines are obviously just for the super special ninja teams in one's military so they must always be depicted with supressors. This would make the most sense if the carbine depicted was a truely specialist integrally supressed varient design to fire sub sonic ammo.

Supressors actually make sense for a lot of recreaional shooting if only for hearing protection and being mindful of other shooters/neighbours. There is also a a thread of belief that it might make sense to issue supressors for most infatry small arms if one could be made durable enough. There was a good discussion concerning this on tanknet which i'll need to dig up.

Sound suppressors actually make sense for military applications too, you know, but limitations in their durability, additional weight and cost tend to be the limiting factor.

Suppressors reduce sound level to reduce hearing damage, obviously. The sad fact is that most soldiers simply dont wear ear protection/sufficient ear protection, preferring instead to maintain institutional awareness. Unfortunately this results in dreadful hearing damage if they don't (Can confirm, I have honorific hearing damage), which is why suppressors are so helpful. While suppressors dont make the shot a silent wisp, they disperse the sound and very often are the equal to wearing (admittedly poor) ear protection (Generally a sound reduction level of 12dbs-22dbs, my ear protectors are 27dbs), in addition to actually making the gunshot more difficult to locate.

Suppressors also reduce recoil (up to 1/3rd), they trap, divert and slow the release of gases as well as add weight to the rifle (normally 300-600 grams), and they, in theory, can actually make a rifle a cleaner shooter. They also reduce muzzle flash and blast, which if you've ever been next to an AK-74 shooting (or even an AR-15, which, bake depending, sucks for muzzle blast), is a hell of a relief.

The real issues are the cost and logistics associated with issuing suppressors enmass. I "designed" a suppressor idea a few months ago that would be an infantryman's suppressor: Simple, easy to clean, cheap to make. Ideally you would want the suppressor in the range of $75-125 in manufacturing cost to be a viable thing to issue on large scale, and you want to make it simple to clean: Thats what my idea was, which was a simple "slip baffle" design that consisted of three component sets that were simple to take apart, clean and maintain, and reassemble. The problem with this is that it might seem "cheap" and have a low life of use. Then you run into the issues of subsonics vs supersonics, which effects the effectiveness of suppressors and sound dispersal pattern....Blah blah blah.

So people in NS like suppressors, but for all the wrong reasons. They make some sense for use, but not as a standard issue thing.

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As for overpenetration: Again, the human body acts differently than 10 and 20% Ballistics gel. There is clothing, fat, muscle, and bone that you need to go though. As a MEDIUM, Gel is as close as you can get for an idea of the wounding properties of a round, but in real life things differ. The risk of overpenetration is there with every round and generally speaking military types normally don't concern themselves with over penetration.

I never understood why they don't try shooting dead animals instead of using ballistic gel?

E: Yes I do realize it's a dumb question but wouldn't it be more realistic?

Because PETA and animal carcasses are no where near as cost effective as a bone cast/10% cast/20% cast. Gel makes looking at wound cavities significantly easier than looking at a pig, which we would need to take apart to see.





And with these last few pages, I am sufficiently annoyed with this threads stubbornness and ignorance, again.

[United states of brazilian nations]

Which one of those fires 20x142.6?

Blunderbuss.

i do understand that you're kidding, but i just had to

[Bezombia]

They also reduce muzzle flash and blast, which if you've ever been next to an AK-74 shooting, is a hell of a relief.

Video reinforcement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation ... Aa8#t=6.5s

[Purpelia]

Is there anything inherently bad in developing and using a side loaded, hopper fed, automatic only, black powder and lead ball rifle?
As in, would it be something that could be made and developed into a design of some reliability using modern technology?

And yes, I do imagine two hoppers. one on each side of the weapon for powder and balls.

[Bezombia]

Is there anything inherently bad in developing and using a side loaded, hopper fed, automatic only, black powder and lead ball rifle?
As in, would it be something that could be made and developed into a design of some reliability using modern technology?

And yes, I do imagine two hoppers. one on each side of the weapon for powder and balls.

Japanese had a hopper fed machine gun.

Japanese died.

[Sevvania]

Is there anything inherently bad in developing and using a side loaded, hopper fed, automatic only, black powder and lead ball rifle?
As in, would it be something that could be made and developed into a design of some reliability using modern technology?

And yes, I do imagine two hoppers. one on each side of the weapon for powder and balls.

Hoppers are very convenient when it comes to loading, but they are very susceptible to letting all sorts of debris in.

[New Visegrad]

Once more
Smoothbore BR for EVA work, y/n?