NS Infantry discussion thread

[Ea90]

I had that idea one and a half years ago
I toyed with an Uzi-style gun with a 24-round magazine of 6.25x38mm CTA rounds (which fit into a pistol grip quite comfortably, actually).
Nothing much ever came of it, however, other than a basic lineart, internal diagram and statblock, however.
I can post it here if you like.

Go for it, though I don't know what CTA rounds are.

Cased Telescoped Rounds, which means that the bullet is surrounded by propellant and is pushed back into the case (saves length and weight I think). It was the only way I could get a cartridge outperforming 5.56x45 into a pistol grip without getting ridiculous. Bear in mind that this was over a year ago:



Weight: 3.6kg
Overall length: 527mm (stock folded)
Barrel length: 292mm
Cartridge: 6.25x38mm cased telescoped
Action: Advanced Primer Ignition Blowback, Open Bolt
Rate of Fire: 700 rounds per minute
Feed system: 24-round box magazine
Sights: Iron sights
Construction materials: Stamped sheet steel

[The Nuclear Fist]

That's nice, but I was thinking of something a bit different. More like an overgrown Uzi in appearance. Retains the same general shape and feeding, but with a longer barrel and a wire stock, along with a bayonet lug of course. I was thinking of it being some sort of carbine for reconnaissance units, or whoever uses carbines.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Saw this on NSD

what
the
actual
fuck

It seems like a lot of work went into it, but tbh I think it'd jam every 5 seconds irl

E: also, is it supposed to have such controllable recoil that you don't need a stock ???

[The Nuclear Fist]

Though to be honest, the uzi rifle concept in my head started to look more like a rifle version of an MP-40.

[Bezombia]

Saw this on NSD

what
the
actual
fuck

It seems like a lot of work went into it, but tbh I think it'd jam every 5 seconds irl

E: also, is it supposed to have such controllable recoil that you don't need a stock ???

It doesn't look like it wouldn't work. Just combining a Chauchat mag with a P90 mag. If you have high enough taper it would work just fine.

[Crookfur]

yes but its pretty pointless, pretty much the whole point of CTA is so you can use push through breaches and similar mechanisms.

well, lighter ammunition. also, i'm currently making guns for a "video game guns" contest on DeviantArt, and i chose to make some Battlefield 2142-ish guns, so they have to be as much dumbfutur and hi-speed low-drag as possible. goes against many things that i believe but hey, they won't be adopted by my country anyways.

caseless is way too crazy and would suck with the conditions in the game (as it is frigginly cold, guns have heating systems so they don't freeze, as such ammo cookoff would be something even easier). furthermore, i haven't the slightest idea of how these "breach" mechanisms they use with CTA ammo work, nor how guns using them look like.

to be honest any weight savings can be acheived (more or less) just by switchign to a polymer case with conventional ammo.

Cold and gun heating should't affect decent casless ammo anymore than normal ammo and with decent lubricants and a bit of preperation normal guns can be made to to fucntion relaibly in temperatures that we can;t oeprate in without a lot of specialist gear. Cold migth afffect caseless ammo more i terms of making it even mroe birttle than usual.

Gun with traveling breachs don't need to look all that different from normal guns. the smplist travlign breach systems simply move the breach up and down for loading and firing or swings it to the side (still facing parrelell to the barrel) and both these actions are as easy to drive via a normal gas psiton system as a bolt carrier and rotating bolt.

The LSAT weapons don't look at all unsual and neither does stuff like the AAI ACR (which is admittedly a bit of a mystery in regards to its inner workings), the Steyr ACR does look a bit funny but that does seem to be mroe down to Steyrs decidely odd notions about asthetics at the time.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Saw this on NSD

what
the
actual
fuck

It seems like a lot of work went into it, but tbh I think it'd jam every 5 seconds irl

E: also, is it supposed to have such controllable recoil that you don't need a stock ???

Nevermind, it has a underfolding stock

[Kouralia]

Saw this on NSD

what
the
actual
fuck

It seems like a lot of work went into it, but tbh I think it'd jam every 5 seconds irl

E: also, is it supposed to have such controllable recoil that you don't need a stock ???

Have you not noticed the stock?

Also, who cares if it would jam IRL? So much effort's gone into that, and its so original, if the creator posted it here for review by us I'd not even be mad.

NS is a website which includes MT, PMT, FT and FanT. My side-arm used to be (and is, in limited quantities) a bull-pup, over-under, double-barreled, armour-piercing, revolver-action, metal-storm pistol, I also issue 13mm pistols to officers (and on occasion NCOs and the Ranks) because of the treat from demons etc., which only a huge-ass pistol can counter. What I'm saying is, ultimately, realism can take a break if you've got some epic-as-all-fuck 5.56mm carbine like that.

[Crookfur]

As a joke idea, would it be possible to design an assault rifle based on the Uzi?

Well it would need a different operating mechaism for a start, straight blowback doesn't like rifle cartridges. There is also the fact that msot rifle catridges will be too long to fit through a psitol grip unelss you telelscope them as Ea90 is.

[Kouralia]

As a joke idea, would it be possible to design an assault rifle based on the Uzi?

Well it would need a different operating mechaism for a start, straight blowback doesn't like rifle cartridges. There is also the fact that msot rifle catridges will be too long to fit through a psitol grip unelss you telelscope them as Ea90 is.

[Bezombia]

As a joke idea, would it be possible to design an assault rifle based on the Uzi?

Well it would need a different operating mechaism for a start, straight blowback doesn't like rifle cartridges. There is also the fact that msot rifle catridges will be too long to fit through a psitol grip unelss you telelscope them as Ea90 is.

Simple: Chamber it in .50 US and only give it to Biopians with particularly large hands.

[Inquilabstan]

BUMP!

Two questions comrades. Firstly, which here is superior, in your opinion, and secondly, should I 6B-5ify it a bit?

(Image)

[Bezombia]

Well it would need a different operating mechaism for a start, straight blowback doesn't like rifle cartridges. There is also the fact that msot rifle catridges will be too long to fit through a psitol grip unelss you telelscope them as Ea90 is.

Roller delayed blowback =/= straight blowback

[Ulfr-Reich]

what
the
actual
fuck

It seems like a lot of work went into it, but tbh I think it'd jam every 5 seconds irl

E: also, is it supposed to have such controllable recoil that you don't need a stock ???

Have you not noticed the stock?

Also, who cares if it would jam IRL? So much effort's gone into that, and its so original, if the creator posted it here for review by us I'd not even be mad.

NS is a website which includes MT, PMT, FT and FanT. My side-arm used to be (and is, in limited quantities) a bull-pup, over-under, double-barreled, armour-piercing, revolver-action, metal-storm pistol, I also issue 13mm pistols to officers (and on occasion NCOs and the Ranks) because of the treat from demons etc., which only a huge-ass pistol can counter. What I'm saying is, ultimately, realism can take a break if you've got some epic-as-all-fuck 5.56mm carbine like that.

Could ye' please show off those guns you just mentioned; The revolver-majig, the 13mm pistol and any other crazy shit you've made?

[Ulfr-Reich]

BUMP!

Two questions comrades. Firstly, which here is superior, in your opinion, and secondly, should I 6B-5ify it a bit?

(Image)

The biggun to the far left.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

what
the
actual
fuck

It seems like a lot of work went into it, but tbh I think it'd jam every 5 seconds irl

E: also, is it supposed to have such controllable recoil that you don't need a stock ???

Have you not noticed the stock?

Also, who cares if it would jam IRL? So much effort's gone into that, and its so original, if the creator posted it here for review by us I'd not even be mad.

NS is a website which includes MT, PMT, FT and FanT. My side-arm used to be (and is, in limited quantities) a bull-pup, over-under, double-barreled, armour-piercing, revolver-action, metal-storm pistol, I also issue 13mm pistols to officers (and on occasion NCOs and the Ranks) because of the treat from demons etc., which only a huge-ass pistol can counter. What I'm saying is, ultimately, realism can take a break if you've got some epic-as-all-fuck 5.56mm carbine like that.

agreed

i'd love to see a working prototype just for teh lulz

[Ea90]

Roller delayed blowback =/= straight blowback

I believe he was responding to the point that rifle cartridges are too big to find in pistol grips.

[Kouralia]

Let's go at this again, do people use Imperial or Metric to classify ammunition? I use Imperial because I'm classy-as-all-bloody-hell-fire.

.280 Kour
.303(r)
.303 Kour
.303(p)
.338(lm)
.455(re)
.455(p)
.55 Kour
.59 Kour

Roller delayed blowback =/= straight blowback

I'm evidently concerning myself more with the pistolgrip/bullets arrangement rather than the action.

Could ye' please show off those guns you just mentioned; The revolver-majig, the 13mm pistol and any other crazy shit you've made?

Revolvermajig = shitty PMG which needs to be redone.

13mm Pistol was made by Anemos.

[Ulfr-Reich]

Snazzy dakka right'cher. You face a demonic threat though?

[Kouralia]

Snazzy dakka right'cher. You face a demonic threat though?

Did earlier on in the year, still being RP'd out even though it's probably over by May.

[United states of brazilian nations]

well, lighter ammunition. also, i'm currently making guns for a "video game guns" contest on DeviantArt, and i chose to make some Battlefield 2142-ish guns, so they have to be as much dumbfutur and hi-speed low-drag as possible. goes against many things that i believe but hey, they won't be adopted by my country anyways.

caseless is way too crazy and would suck with the conditions in the game (as it is frigginly cold, guns have heating systems so they don't freeze, as such ammo cookoff would be something even easier). furthermore, i haven't the slightest idea of how these "breach" mechanisms they use with CTA ammo work, nor how guns using them look like.

to be honest any weight savings can be acheived (more or less) just by switchign to a polymer case with conventional ammo.

Cold and gun heating should't affect decent casless ammo anymore than normal ammo and with decent lubricants and a bit of preperation normal guns can be made to to fucntion relaibly in temperatures that we can;t oeprate in without a lot of specialist gear. Cold migth afffect caseless ammo more i terms of making it even mroe birttle than usual.

Gun with traveling breachs don't need to look all that different from normal guns. the smplist travlign breach systems simply move the breach up and down for loading and firing or swings it to the side (still facing parrelell to the barrel) and both these actions are as easy to drive via a normal gas psiton system as a bolt carrier and rotating bolt.

The LSAT weapons don't look at all unsual and neither does stuff like the AAI ACR (which is admittedly a bit of a mystery in regards to its inner workings), the Steyr ACR does look a bit funny but that does seem to be mroe down to Steyrs decidely odd notions about asthetics at the time.

well, i chose CTA over polymer-cased ammo because one of the weapon i'm making is a P90-ish carbine (related to working mechanisms), and it needs to have rifle power with a short cartridge or else i'd need a lulzy tick receiever to fit that mag in. and i don't know if a p-90 style mech would work with all these lulzy LSAT mechanisms as i frankly don't have the slightest idea of how they work.

[Bezombia]

to be honest any weight savings can be acheived (more or less) just by switchign to a polymer case with conventional ammo.

Cold and gun heating should't affect decent casless ammo anymore than normal ammo and with decent lubricants and a bit of preperation normal guns can be made to to fucntion relaibly in temperatures that we can;t oeprate in without a lot of specialist gear. Cold migth afffect caseless ammo more i terms of making it even mroe birttle than usual.

Gun with traveling breachs don't need to look all that different from normal guns. the smplist travlign breach systems simply move the breach up and down for loading and firing or swings it to the side (still facing parrelell to the barrel) and both these actions are as easy to drive via a normal gas psiton system as a bolt carrier and rotating bolt.

The LSAT weapons don't look at all unsual and neither does stuff like the AAI ACR (which is admittedly a bit of a mystery in regards to its inner workings), the Steyr ACR does look a bit funny but that does seem to be mroe down to Steyrs decidely odd notions about asthetics at the time.

well, i chose CTA over polymer-cased ammo because one of the weapon i'm making is a P90-ish carbine (related to working mechanisms), and it needs to have rifle power with a short cartridge or else i'd need a lulzy tick receiever to fit that mag in. and i don't know if a p-90 style mech would work with all these lulzy LSAT mechanisms as i frankly don't have the slightest idea of how they work.

If wikipedia is to be trusted, the LSAT uses a mechanism similar to the G11.

And a P90 wouldn't work with CTA.

[Bezombia]

Roller delayed blowback =/= straight blowback

I believe he was responding to the point that rifle cartridges are too big to find in pistol grips.

Oh. Well in that case, I'd have everyone look at the Sieg.

.30-06.

[Premislyd]

Let's go at this again, do people use Imperial or Metric to classify ammunition?

Imperial, simply because .303 Kefash sounds cooler than 7.7mm Kefash

[Bezombia]

We use both interchangeably. In fact both are basically used equally. A primary example: the .312 Benomian was the original cartridge, but when the +P version was introduced and adopted it was changed to the 7.92x60 Benomian. Likewise, in testing the 7.8x65 Benomian was referred to as the .320 HP Benomian.