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Postby Fordorsia » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:01 pm

Ea90 wrote:What would you guys say is the ideal melee weapon for modern CQC (purely for combat, not as a multi-purpose tool)?


Spiked knuckles.
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Postby Kouralia » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:02 pm

Fordorsia wrote:
Ea90 wrote:What would you guys say is the ideal melee weapon for modern CQC (purely for combat, not as a multi-purpose tool)?


Spiked knuckles or an armoured gauntlet.

Pattern 1796 Heavy Cavalry Sword.

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Postby Kouralia » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:02 pm

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Opinions?

Needs more texture: pockets, shading, a belt, creases on the trousers!

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Postby Fordorsia » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:04 pm

Kouralia wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:
Spiked knuckles or an armoured gauntlet.

Pattern 1796 Heavy Cavalry Sword.

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Try using a sword in a building full of enemies and allies.
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:04 pm

Puzikas wrote:I have to say that's a pretty silly idea.

Probably
For starters given how short your rifle is it would be rather difficult to grip as it is,

How so? It is, as far as I can tell, slightly loner than a Tavor X95, which has no such issues, and slightly shorter than most subcarbines, which also have few, if any, issues being held.

Hell, I think my forward grip is longer than an AKS-74u's.
but then loading it in such a manner? It would be EXTREMELY annoying to do so, in addition to difficult and, in general, a hazard. Especially in combat.

Perhaps it's my squishy civilian side talking, but I really don't see how. Indeed, nearest I can tell, it may be easier than a conventionally fed bullpup.

Loading a magazine with clips is not as easy as it seems, and a 30 round enbloc would be among the more difficult processes.

Step 1) Rifle empties! Bolt locks back, also retracting magazine cover!
Step 2) Rifle is rotated ~48 degrees left (assuming right handed shooter) and muzzle is aimed slightly downward!
Step 3) New en-bloc clip is removed from vest webbing (assuming shooter had the forethought to remove protective plastic from one set of feed lips)!
Step 4) Arrows are aligned, and fresh en-bloc clip is forced into the magazine, resetting the spring/follower assembly, ejecting the empty clip, and triggering the bolt release!
Step 5) Rifle is returned to firing position!

Its also worth noting that you'll be catching that clip in your face after firing all 30 rounds.

See step 4. No automatic ejection of spent clips.
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Postby Triplebaconation » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:06 pm

Even a goofy system like the HK36 would be better than that.
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Postby Inquilabstan » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:13 pm

Ea90 wrote:What would you guys say is the ideal melee weapon for modern CQC (purely for combat, not as a multi-purpose tool)?

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Postby Kouralia » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:14 pm

Inquilabstan wrote:
Ea90 wrote:What would you guys say is the ideal melee weapon for modern CQC (purely for combat, not as a multi-purpose tool)?

Khukri

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Postby Fordorsia » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:16 pm

Inquilabstan wrote:
Ea90 wrote:What would you guys say is the ideal melee weapon for modern CQC (purely for combat, not as a multi-purpose tool)?

Khukri


Flamethrower.
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Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.

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Postby Inquilabstan » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:22 pm

Fordorsia wrote:
Inquilabstan wrote:Khukri


Flamethrower.

Carpet bombing. What Urban combat?
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Postby Spreewerke » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:24 pm

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:
Puzikas wrote:I have to say that's a pretty silly idea.

Probably
For starters given how short your rifle is it would be rather difficult to grip as it is,

How so? It is, as far as I can tell, slightly loner than a Tavor X95, which has no such issues, and slightly shorter than most subcarbines, which also have few, if any, issues being held.

Hell, I think my forward grip is longer than an AKS-74u's.
but then loading it in such a manner? It would be EXTREMELY annoying to do so, in addition to difficult and, in general, a hazard. Especially in combat.

Perhaps it's my squishy civilian side talking, but I really don't see how. Indeed, nearest I can tell, it may be easier than a conventionally fed bullpup.

Loading a magazine with clips is not as easy as it seems, and a 30 round enbloc would be among the more difficult processes.

Step 1) Rifle empties! Bolt locks back, also retracting magazine cover!
Step 2) Rifle is rotated ~48 degrees left (assuming right handed shooter) and muzzle is aimed slightly downward!
Step 3) New en-bloc clip is removed from vest webbing (assuming shooter had the forethought to remove protective plastic from one set of feed lips)!
Step 4) Arrows are aligned, and fresh en-bloc clip is forced into the magazine, resetting the spring/follower assembly, ejecting the empty clip, and triggering the bolt release!
Step 5) Rifle is returned to firing position!

Its also worth noting that you'll be catching that clip in your face after firing all 30 rounds.

See step 4. No automatic ejection of spent clips.



Conventional bullpup:

Step 1: Rifle is empty, bolt holds open.
Step 2: Remove magazine while still shouldering weapon
Step 3: Grab new magazine
Step 4: Insert new magazine (and hit bolt-release right beside it if necessary)

Rifle stays shouldered, on-target, and there are no moving parts near the face whatsoever. Not only that, but you can remove a partially-expended magazine and insert a fresh one before going into a known hot-zone (such as a building or room to be cleared).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_ULLl-8jk0
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Postby Fordorsia » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:25 pm

Inquilabstan wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:
Flamethrower.

Carpet bombing. What Urban combat?


We have escalated close combat fighting to a point where close combat doesn't even exist anymore. Victory.
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San-Silvacian wrote:Forgot to take off my Rhodie shorts when I went to sleep.
Woke up in bitches and enemy combatants.

Crookfur wrote:Speak for yourself, Crookfur infantry enjoy the sheer uber high speed low drag operator nature of their tactical woad

Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.

Premislyd wrote:This is probably the best thing somebody has ever spammed.

Puzikas wrote:That joke was so dark it has to smile to be seen at night.

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Postby Inquilabstan » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:26 pm

Fordorsia wrote:
Inquilabstan wrote:Carpet bombing. What Urban combat?


We have escalated close combat fighting to a point where close combat doesn't even exist anymore. Victory.

Precisely Comrade.
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Postby Teodosia » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:27 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:Probably

How so? It is, as far as I can tell, slightly loner than a Tavor X95, which has no such issues, and slightly shorter than most subcarbines, which also have few, if any, issues being held.

Hell, I think my forward grip is longer than an AKS-74u's.

Perhaps it's my squishy civilian side talking, but I really don't see how. Indeed, nearest I can tell, it may be easier than a conventionally fed bullpup.


Step 1) Rifle empties! Bolt locks back, also retracting magazine cover!
Step 2) Rifle is rotated ~48 degrees left (assuming right handed shooter) and muzzle is aimed slightly downward!
Step 3) New en-bloc clip is removed from vest webbing (assuming shooter had the forethought to remove protective plastic from one set of feed lips)!
Step 4) Arrows are aligned, and fresh en-bloc clip is forced into the magazine, resetting the spring/follower assembly, ejecting the empty clip, and triggering the bolt release!
Step 5) Rifle is returned to firing position!


See step 4. No automatic ejection of spent clips.



Conventional bullpup:

Step 1: Rifle is empty, bolt holds open.
Step 2: Remove magazine while still shouldering weapon
Step 3: Grab new magazine
Step 4: Insert new magazine (and hit bolt-release right beside it if necessary)

Rifle stays shouldered, on-target, and there are no moving parts near the face whatsoever. Not only that, but you can remove a partially-expended magazine and insert a fresh one before going into a known hot-zone (such as a building or room to be cleared).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_ULLl-8jk0


More good advice from Spreewerke.
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:33 pm

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:(Image)
Thoughts?


You still need to work out has the gas system works :p .

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:
Puzikas wrote:I have to say that's a pretty silly idea.

Probably
For starters given how short your rifle is it would be rather difficult to grip as it is,

How so? It is, as far as I can tell, slightly loner than a Tavor X95, which has no such issues, and slightly shorter than most subcarbines, which also have few, if any, issues being held.

Hell, I think my forward grip is longer than an AKS-74u's.
but then loading it in such a manner? It would be EXTREMELY annoying to do so, in addition to difficult and, in general, a hazard. Especially in combat.

Perhaps it's my squishy civilian side talking, but I really don't see how. Indeed, nearest I can tell, it may be easier than a conventionally fed bullpup.

Loading a magazine with clips is not as easy as it seems, and a 30 round enbloc would be among the more difficult processes.

Step 1) Rifle empties! Bolt locks back, also retracting magazine cover!
Step 2) Rifle is rotated ~48 degrees left (assuming right handed shooter) and muzzle is aimed slightly downward!
Step 3) New en-bloc clip is removed from vest webbing (assuming shooter had the forethought to remove protective plastic from one set of feed lips)!
Step 4) Arrows are aligned, and fresh en-bloc clip is forced into the magazine, resetting the spring/follower assembly, ejecting the empty clip, and triggering the bolt release!
Step 5) Rifle is returned to firing position!

Its also worth noting that you'll be catching that clip in your face after firing all 30 rounds.

See step 4. No automatic ejection of spent clips.


You should probably eject the old clip before putting the new one anywhere near the magazine.
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Postby Black Hand » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:48 pm

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:(Image)
Thoughts?

That front grip looks a little awkward.
As for the problems the other regulars presented, simply invert the action. Feed the Clip from the bottom, eject out the bottom.
Like aquiz said still needs gas system, jut put some tube in there.
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Postby Tronold » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:49 pm

Kouralia wrote:
Tronold wrote:(Image)

I'm finished!

Opinions?

Needs more texture: pockets, shading, a belt, creases on the trousers!

[/CreatingYourOwnEverythingOP]


What about it now?

Image

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Postby Triplebaconation » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:50 pm

Do you own any clothes? Why don't you take a look at them?
Proverbs 23:9.

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Postby Tronold » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:53 pm

Triplebaconation wrote:Do you own any clothes? Why don't you take a look at them?


Are you talking to me?

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Postby EsToVnIa » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:53 pm

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:(Image)
Thoughts?


How do you fire it without the trigger getting blocked by the triggerguard/foregrip
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Postby Black Hand » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:54 pm

Tronold wrote:
Kouralia wrote:Needs more texture: pockets, shading, a belt, creases on the trousers!

[/CreatingYourOwnEverythingOP]


What about it now?

Image

It reminds me of This
Seriously he looks like the slumber Party spetsnaz.
The art isn't terrible, it's just hard to take him seriously.
give the pants pockets or something.
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Puzikas wrote:You clearly don't know about the baby bald eagle built into each one.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Why is there a "joke option" included in the poll when "yes" is already there?

Fordorsia wrote:Sight rib? Like a barbecue?

Fordorsia wrote:Why sell the restored weapons when you can keep them in a military-themed sex dungeon?

San-Silvacian wrote:Nothing says I love you like a fine Belgian firearm.

Bezombia wrote: "glorious discharge"

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Postby Triplebaconation » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:56 pm

Tronold wrote:
Triplebaconation wrote:Do you own any clothes? Why don't you take a look at them?


Are you talking to me?


Yes.
Proverbs 23:9.

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Postby Tronold » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:58 pm

Black Hand wrote:
Tronold wrote:
What about it now?

(Image)

It reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RIXD3eNocV4#t=7
Seriously he looks like the slumber Party spetsnaz.
The art isn't terrible, it's just hard to take him seriously.
give the pants pockets or something.


I suck at this :I

Sorry for blinding you guys with my shittyness.

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Postby United states of brazilian nations » Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:05 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Ea90 wrote:I'm going for lulz (I do realise that a knife would be more practical).



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b60OZhrTB6o

Go All Quiet on the Western Front on their ass.


this is awesome. i gotta make a version of this for my army, with better materials perhaps.

what kinds of modifications would you guys advise me to make to this shovel?
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Postby Black Hand » Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:07 pm

Tronold wrote:
Black Hand wrote:It reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RIXD3eNocV4#t=7
Seriously he looks like the slumber Party spetsnaz.
The art isn't terrible, it's just hard to take him seriously.
give the pants pockets or something.


I suck at this :I

Sorry for blinding you guys with my shittyness.

don''t give up.
your art is good. it's just some of the concept, my joke was comprised on the fact that his pants look like pajamas, that is all
look at these.

See the big side cargo pockets? add those and you're golden. Granted the knee pads are a litle funky. base it of these shape wise for a little more military look
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Puzikas wrote:You clearly don't know about the baby bald eagle built into each one.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Why is there a "joke option" included in the poll when "yes" is already there?

Fordorsia wrote:Sight rib? Like a barbecue?

Fordorsia wrote:Why sell the restored weapons when you can keep them in a military-themed sex dungeon?

San-Silvacian wrote:Nothing says I love you like a fine Belgian firearm.

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